The HC is clueless on div1a college recruiting

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Here is an interview with Gailey from the Macon Telegraph. He is directly quoted as saying he doesn't see why GT can't take only 19-20 players/yr & still have 85 on scholarship. Mindboggling.
I have a thousand things to say on this idiotic statement, but will listen 1st. Except let me start it off by saying it would totally kill redshirting & would require a graduation rate of 85% from Ga Tech to even stay at 85 scholarship maximum. This is so ridiculous.

GT recruiting article from Macon Telegraph
 
Here's a thread on this topic from the Hive. It makes sense to me, but I'm an English teacher, not a math guy as most here are.

For the sake of debate, Ace, please list some of your reasons why you disagree. Some hypothetical numbers would help.

**It might help if I enter a link...
Hive link
 
OK, will try to make this make sense: Say u take 100 players over a 5 yr period, including redshirts. To stay at 85 scholarships would mean that u lose only 15 players in 5 yrs which is almost impossible to do.
Say that Tech's general population graduates 2/3 (69% I believe). Say the football teams does the same as the general population, which is high for football attrition & grad rates. That leaves 69 'ship players in the 5th yr vs 85 'ship players for everyone else. Where do u think that will lead u?
Now say some are injured during the yr or just leave (Kuale, Poree, Holiday, et al). Now u're down to 60 players, maybe 55. That is div1aa football. This would include every Frosh player. There'd be an ad in the Technique requesting anyone to come out for football!
 
That's a lot of assumptions Ace. I think the point he is trying to make is that you assume every kid you sign is here for his 4/5 years. That means you look for kids who can do the work both academically and athletically. If you lose a couple from each class that's the way it is. But to lose 7-8 or more, as we've done in some years over the last 10, is atrocious.

Why is it we criticized other programs, such as Auburn, for signing too many players and running kids off, but when we have a coach who believes in making the assumption that all players can graduate we criticize him as well? Gailey never said he wouldn't take more if he had slots open. He simply said he would like to think all his signees can cut it, and therefore 20 or so a year should give you a full roster.

Kind of sounds like Bobby Dodd don't it?
 
NCJacket-I think we'd all like to believe it could be done. Reality is that there are just too many reasons for a 20 man class to leave a football program at a high academic school. U are going to lose 7-8 per class over a 5 yr period (Burns finished 4 yrs here & could've had a 5th) at Ga Tech. Remember that losing 8 out of 20 is still a high 60% retainage rate. O'L's rate had dropped into the high 30% range, which is why the pendulum has swung way too far the other direction.
Playing time, injuries, academics, lack of interest in a major, don't like position coach or HC, & a hundred other reasons to leave a football program. It happens at every single program, period.
Duke was highest rated football team with a grad rate in the low 80%. Could GT do that? Sure, but we'd have to take the same calibre student athletes as Duke does with the same results. I DO NOT want a Duke type program here at Ga Tech.
 
I like your points, NCJacket. It appears that the attrition can be filled two ways: in advance or after the fact. The in advance approach means that someone "must" leave. The after the fact approach seems to have the higher integrity because we dont add people until there are actual slots.
 
Mustard-the slots are already there. We could take 25 this yr, 26 since Pena entered early. Can't Gailey fill those slots? Coach Wilson, the Director of Football Operations for Coach Gailey, said at the Lunch Bunch in December "we'll have 23 by the 1st of the year & will take 25 if we find the right guys".
We are holding at 18 now. It would have been better if he'd said 'I can't find 25 ACC type players to come to GT this yr'.
 
And from what I understand it will be an upset for us to sign any more significant recruits. Our future is not bright at the moment. Insiders has our recruiting rated 21 out of the 23 teams they rate in the south.
 
GT Ace...You are correct in your logic and math, your detractors are just whistling through the graveyard.
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BDG that's what I absolutely hate about your posts. I'm not a detractor of anybody on this site, except maybe you and the B word. I simply was posting an opinion which is different from what Ace said. It's called having an adult conversation, something you seem incapable of.
 
Thanks 71Bee. That's minimum support if everything stays normal. High injuries or high attition could add to that. Tech's had both recently.
NCJacket-I'm with u & understand completely.
Ghost- thanks for the much appreciated pat.
 
Why would it kill redshirting? The way I think about we would be redshirting more players so that more would be here for five years as opposed to four and by doing so increase the likelihood that they would graduate
 
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