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chan is reminding me of george and dan. he may think there is no since of urgency ,that gt is just a academic institution and football is a sideline. WRONG.
the vanilla must be contagious
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">No offense, but I doubt that the coaching staff puts in the hours that they do to come in and "just have fun." Further, rest assured that Gailey also has a clear understanding that he is not being paid close to $1 million per year to come in and win 5 or 6 games a year. Whether or not the coaching staff does well w/gameday coaching, development, recruiting, etc. will bear it self out for better or worse over the next couple of years and Gailey will be judged accordingly.
Moreover, I am sure that O'brien/Gailey/me/you/everyone else would love to have a offense that is multiple/varied and able to throw the ball all over the field. The reality is that the QB is currently not able to do this. Again, judge the staff on whether or not he develops and plays better over the course of the season. The main difference of this team is that we are now experiencing the effects of not having a veteran (that was coached by the Fridge) on the field.
Not meant as a flame at you per se...
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Lets start blaming the STUDENT ATHLETES.
I think that is a cop out. O'brien has had this guy for over 2 years. He has had Bilbo for over a year.
I heard the same stuff about Davey at ND. "he aint got the players, yadda yadda"
Suggs is a good QB that is not being coached. Bilbo is probably a GREAT qb that is not prepared.
We have GOOD players on that team and our coaches are not getting it done.
Its early. Maybe we can turn the corner at NC. But I want someone to point ONE thing out offensively that is AS GOOD as last year.
Offensively it apppears our WR's are struggling. The line is not doing as well. The qb is having difficulty.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Lets start blaming the STUDENT ATHLETES.
I think that is a cop out. O'brien has had this guy for over 2 years. He has had Bilbo for over a year.
Suggs is a good QB that is not being coached. Bilbo is probably a GREAT qb that is not prepared.
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I think that we are in agreement here. My point is that Suggs/Bilbo have the physical tools to be good QB's, but so far, Suggs has not done a consistently good job of doing the "mental things" that good QB's have to do. And yes, that falls back on coaching as to whether or not the player is prepared. IF the player can not perform in the capacity that he is asked to, then it is on the coaching staff to put him into a better position to succeed or get someone else that can.
I did NOT blame any of our student athletes.
GT98, I appreciate your post as you make a lot of sense in your observations. I share your concerns
about our recruiting and I certainly hope I am wrong about CG. I guess I care too much about the jackets and worry too much when the things that are going on seems to indicate that we are in trouble. I also agree with you about continuing to support the Jackets and being optimistic about
our chances against the Heels. I couldn't stop supporting Tech if I wanted as I have been a Tech man for 56 years and my youngest son is a Tech man
CHEM.E. in the early 70's. Thanks for a thoughtful and measured response.
about our recruiting and I certainly hope I am wrong about CG. I guess I care too much about the jackets and worry too much when the things that are going on seems to indicate that we are in trouble. I also agree with you about continuing to support the Jackets and being optimistic about
our chances against the Heels. I couldn't stop supporting Tech if I wanted as I have been a Tech man for 56 years and my youngest son is a Tech man
CHEM.E. in the early 70's. Thanks for a thoughtful and measured response.
Big Buck,
I'm not sure I agree with what you are saying. You say every aspect of our team is worse this year? When was the last time you saw our defense play like they did against BYU. That is a high octane passing attack and we shut it down.
Obviously, the offensive ground game is better. We will see how it does without Hollings. The offensive line has done a better job run blocking this year. The passing game is struggling right now, primarily because we have a QB that is struggling and not making the proper reads at the line of scrimmage and in the pocket. Goose was limited physically but he was the one of the best in the country at this. You are seeing the difference right now.
Bottom line is we are 3-1 and we lost a game at Clemson because we struggled in the special team game and the offense could not convert on turnovers. Special Teams were poor against Clemson, but have played well otherwise. We lead the league in Net punting, punt returns and are in the top 3 in kick returns. Except for the bad plays at Clemson, special teams have been ok.
You are going to have to give me more than, we are worse in every area of the game. That simply isn't accurate.
I'm not sure I agree with what you are saying. You say every aspect of our team is worse this year? When was the last time you saw our defense play like they did against BYU. That is a high octane passing attack and we shut it down.
Obviously, the offensive ground game is better. We will see how it does without Hollings. The offensive line has done a better job run blocking this year. The passing game is struggling right now, primarily because we have a QB that is struggling and not making the proper reads at the line of scrimmage and in the pocket. Goose was limited physically but he was the one of the best in the country at this. You are seeing the difference right now.
Bottom line is we are 3-1 and we lost a game at Clemson because we struggled in the special team game and the offense could not convert on turnovers. Special Teams were poor against Clemson, but have played well otherwise. We lead the league in Net punting, punt returns and are in the top 3 in kick returns. Except for the bad plays at Clemson, special teams have been ok.
You are going to have to give me more than, we are worse in every area of the game. That simply isn't accurate.
axe,
Our o-line got their arses whipped up and down the field at klimpsum...with a 3 and 4 man rush. AJ didn't have time to breathe. Our run blocking wasn't that much better either as most of the yardage that Hollings got was after he tried to go inside and just bounced in out on his own.
Our o-line was slightly improved on run blocking against BYU and is still having trouble pass blocking. Our o-line coaching is suspect at best.
Get the line blocking better and AJ will be fine.
Our o-line got their arses whipped up and down the field at klimpsum...with a 3 and 4 man rush. AJ didn't have time to breathe. Our run blocking wasn't that much better either as most of the yardage that Hollings got was after he tried to go inside and just bounced in out on his own.
Our o-line was slightly improved on run blocking against BYU and is still having trouble pass blocking. Our o-line coaching is suspect at best.
Get the line blocking better and AJ will be fine.
Beeware,
Offensive line play has been solid. Much improved over last year. That is not a knock against Mac because he had a younger group last year. But fact of the matter, is they struggled just about every game last year except for UNC.
Mac was a very good OL-coach and so is Coach D. In fact, they are very much alike. You ought to go watch Coach D at practice and give him a chance. Very good teacher and likable coach. Like Mac, the kind of coach an OL would like to go to war for. UGA and La Tech's o-lines didn't do much against Clemson either.
AJ could certainly use some more time but right now his biggest concern is making the right reads and throwing the football more consistently. BYU was playing with their corners and teasing him into different throws. When was making the right reads Saturday, his accuracy was off. Just a bad day all the way around. I'm confident he can improve.
Like I said before, Godsey made it look real easy with the way he read an opposing defense. For AJ, it's kind of like when you play PS2 college football for the first time and you see all those little letters and symbols running their patterns. Sometimes, you just hit a button and hope you get lucky.
Offensive line play has been solid. Much improved over last year. That is not a knock against Mac because he had a younger group last year. But fact of the matter, is they struggled just about every game last year except for UNC.
Mac was a very good OL-coach and so is Coach D. In fact, they are very much alike. You ought to go watch Coach D at practice and give him a chance. Very good teacher and likable coach. Like Mac, the kind of coach an OL would like to go to war for. UGA and La Tech's o-lines didn't do much against Clemson either.
AJ could certainly use some more time but right now his biggest concern is making the right reads and throwing the football more consistently. BYU was playing with their corners and teasing him into different throws. When was making the right reads Saturday, his accuracy was off. Just a bad day all the way around. I'm confident he can improve.
Like I said before, Godsey made it look real easy with the way he read an opposing defense. For AJ, it's kind of like when you play PS2 college football for the first time and you see all those little letters and symbols running their patterns. Sometimes, you just hit a button and hope you get lucky.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">LOL, I feel the same way. I have been cheering for GT too long to quit, regardless of the win/loss record. I do have high expectations regarding our program and I also share the recruiting concern. Regardless of whether one liked or did NOT like O'leary (I liked him!), he and his staff did very, very well recruiting and bringing in young men w/good character that by and large have represented the Institute and themselves very well.
Right now, February's nat'l signing day seems very far off to me. Yes, I know that recruiting is a year round process. Yes, the appearance of things not going well in-state is some concern. The pause that I have right now is that the staff, in particular, Dave Wilson (who did a very good job as recruiting coordinator at Miss. St.), Glenn Spencer, and O'brien have demonstrated very good recruiting ability in the past. Hopefully, it will continue.
The reason why I included the blurb about the UNC game is that right now, I think more about how the team can rally and play through the injuiries to still have a very good season. This has been a magnificent senior class for GT: Watkins, Glover, Muyres, Collins, Hester, Wimbush (and others that are not listed) have all made the GT program better. I want them to go out winners on a high note.
<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Axe,
No offense but you need to go back and look at the klimpsum tape...our o-line got killed...and so did AJ.
You may like the new o-line coach and all, but that doesn't change the fact that our o-line got killed at klimpsum. They didn't even have to blitz...they did it with a 3 and 4 man rush.
You are doing a disservice to AJ by not recognizing that NO QB could have stood up to the absolute lack of pass blocking at klimpsum.
Beeware,
I said that pass blocking was poor at Clemson. I can also tell you that no line has done much to slow their pass rush so far this season. In addition, I never said our o-line was a great pass blocking line. Obviously, Goose got killed last year as well. This isn't about Mac or Coach Joe D.
I think the coaches will tell you that while pass protection has been below average, our biggest problem in the passing game has been our ability to read coverages and make decisions.
I know that you are a big fan of the Seattle Bowl. Watch the tape again. Everytime Goose went to throw the football on those quick outs, and slants a WR was wide open. Most of the time there wasn't a DB within 5 yards of the WR. Most of those were 3 step drops so pass pro wasn't a big deal. Now review the BYU and Clemson tapes, when AJ throws those passes, the WR is covered by 2 DBs. How many deep balls did you see AJ throw when the corner was alone in man coverage? The problem is we aren't making the right reads and when he does, his throws have been wild.
This is not an attempt to bash AJ, he simply had a bad day against BYU. I will agree with you that he played better at Clemson, but that game has passed and we are reviewing the current state of our offense. Still, I'm behind AJ 100% and believe we will see a different QB this week.
I said that pass blocking was poor at Clemson. I can also tell you that no line has done much to slow their pass rush so far this season. In addition, I never said our o-line was a great pass blocking line. Obviously, Goose got killed last year as well. This isn't about Mac or Coach Joe D.
I think the coaches will tell you that while pass protection has been below average, our biggest problem in the passing game has been our ability to read coverages and make decisions.
I know that you are a big fan of the Seattle Bowl. Watch the tape again. Everytime Goose went to throw the football on those quick outs, and slants a WR was wide open. Most of the time there wasn't a DB within 5 yards of the WR. Most of those were 3 step drops so pass pro wasn't a big deal. Now review the BYU and Clemson tapes, when AJ throws those passes, the WR is covered by 2 DBs. How many deep balls did you see AJ throw when the corner was alone in man coverage? The problem is we aren't making the right reads and when he does, his throws have been wild.
This is not an attempt to bash AJ, he simply had a bad day against BYU. I will agree with you that he played better at Clemson, but that game has passed and we are reviewing the current state of our offense. Still, I'm behind AJ 100% and believe we will see a different QB this week.
Axe,
You will definitely see a different AJ if the line will give him time. I think he got hit so often and so fast at klimpsum (many times there was no time to do anything except protect the ball) that he was a little shell-shocked in the first half against BYU and sometimes had more time than he thought. But he settled down in the second half; also, the play calling was better in the second half. I think the offense will come around as the line comes around and as AJ gets more comfortable.
That being said I have no problem with Bilbo getting some snaps...preferably in the first half, if game tempo allows it.
You will definitely see a different AJ if the line will give him time. I think he got hit so often and so fast at klimpsum (many times there was no time to do anything except protect the ball) that he was a little shell-shocked in the first half against BYU and sometimes had more time than he thought. But he settled down in the second half; also, the play calling was better in the second half. I think the offense will come around as the line comes around and as AJ gets more comfortable.
That being said I have no problem with Bilbo getting some snaps...preferably in the first half, if game tempo allows it.
It really seems to me that Suggs performs much better (as does the OL) when we establish the run first and then go to play-action passing...That seems to be the personality of this team for some reason...The OL also looks better run blocking IMO.
I will refuse to be an apologist for this coaching staff. I love the Jacket too much to remain silent when there are so many ominous signs
that point to the deterioration of this team. Every facet of our team has regressed under this staff.We have too many talented players to look as disjointed as we do. This comes from coaching or rather the lack therof. This is what gave rise for a previous post that gave some fonts indigestion when I compared this staff to Bill Lewis and his clowns. Remember that in Lewis first year we played one of the best games ever against Fla. St. and should have won. But the seeds of discord was sown by his staff by giving
preferential treatment and the wheels finally came off the wagon when he put Luginbill under center and put Donnie Davis at WR. I'm afraid we are seeing the same song but different verse playing itself out before our eyes. I hope I'm wrong butI don't think so. If it proves that I am wrong I will gladly fess up. By the way, I was not criticising those that defend CG and his staff
since we all are entitled to our own opinions.
that point to the deterioration of this team. Every facet of our team has regressed under this staff.We have too many talented players to look as disjointed as we do. This comes from coaching or rather the lack therof. This is what gave rise for a previous post that gave some fonts indigestion when I compared this staff to Bill Lewis and his clowns. Remember that in Lewis first year we played one of the best games ever against Fla. St. and should have won. But the seeds of discord was sown by his staff by giving
preferential treatment and the wheels finally came off the wagon when he put Luginbill under center and put Donnie Davis at WR. I'm afraid we are seeing the same song but different verse playing itself out before our eyes. I hope I'm wrong butI don't think so. If it proves that I am wrong I will gladly fess up. By the way, I was not criticising those that defend CG and his staff
since we all are entitled to our own opinions.
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Big Buck,
Yes, your concerns are valid about this staff; the next couple of months will speak volumes about what we have or do not have. If there is a ray of light or at the very minimum a difference between Gailey and Bill Lewis at this point, it is this: Lewis came in and immediately lost the players. The players like the new coaching staff that we have and want to play hard for them.
The last point comes from speaking w/players' parents at practices as well as from friends that are closer to the program than I am. Again, this may not be anything, but I thought that it was worth mentioning.
The biggest concern that I have is recruiting; we will find out in Feb. whether or not this coaching staff's approach of keeping things quiet worked out or set the program back after the '03 season.
In the meantime, I am looking forward to the UNC game on Sat. Let's see what adjustments are made offensively as well as whether or not the defense can play well again. I think that the defense will do well and the offense will adjust and the team will move to 4-1 heading into October!
Yes, your concerns are valid about this staff; the next couple of months will speak volumes about what we have or do not have. If there is a ray of light or at the very minimum a difference between Gailey and Bill Lewis at this point, it is this: Lewis came in and immediately lost the players. The players like the new coaching staff that we have and want to play hard for them.
The last point comes from speaking w/players' parents at practices as well as from friends that are closer to the program than I am. Again, this may not be anything, but I thought that it was worth mentioning.
The biggest concern that I have is recruiting; we will find out in Feb. whether or not this coaching staff's approach of keeping things quiet worked out or set the program back after the '03 season.
In the meantime, I am looking forward to the UNC game on Sat. Let's see what adjustments are made offensively as well as whether or not the defense can play well again. I think that the defense will do well and the offense will adjust and the team will move to 4-1 heading into October!