To those of you making the "7-5 is better than most first year coaches" argument..

[Guest1066]

To those of you making the "7-5 is better than most first year coaches" argument..

Your logic is flawed. Most first year coaches follow a coach that has been FIRED. We have a first year coach because our head coach did his job well enough to be asked to takeover the most storied football program in college football history.

If you want to make a comparison, do it with a coaching vacancy that became available because a coach left for a better job. Gary Barnett and Ron Zook come to mind as possible comparisons. Barnett was 7-5 his first year at Colorado, and he didnt have the pleasure of playing in a powderpuff conference like the ACC. And if you have delusions about our conference, I only point to last year's orange bowl. That was our champion.. Ron Zook is 8-4 in his first year so far. I could probably find other examples if I looked hard enough, but you get the point.

The cupboard wasnt bare. We arent rebuilding. 7 wins in the ACC (vandy,uconn ooc games) doesn't really impress me.

 

[ncjacket]

You are right, our cupboard wasn't bare. It was above average ACC talent overall with a significant question mark at QB. We should have beaten Wake and probably FSU. We probably should have lost to NCSU and maybe VA. We have no where near the talent GA does. That doesn't mean we couldn't have won or in any way excuses 51-7, but don't get carried away with the material we have to work with.

 

[beeware]

Chan Gailey came to TECH to draw a big paycheck and to semi-retire. He took over one of the best situations in college football....much better than what Fridge inherited at Maryland.

And he has totally squandered our program.

It was clearly evident from his 'storied' resume that he had no qualifications whatsover to coach Division 1 college football.

Why anyone is surprised at the totally lousy job he has done is beyond me, because I warned everyone in advance. Although even I have to admit that it is a little surprising he did as lousy this year as he did. I actually thought it would take a 2-3 years for his true inabilities to show.

If Chan does not do the honorable thing for the good of this program and resign and apologize soon, this program will reach a depth never seen before....and much sooner than we can even imagine.

 

[GTPilot]

The record isn't important and never should be used as a gauge of how good or bad a 1st year coach is doing. What does matter is the performance of the team and the ability of the coach to get his team to improve and execute his gameplan. The problem should be with the fact that we didn't improve as a team this year. We are just as inconsistent today as we were when the season began.

Also, to compare this team's record to last years team's record isn't a good thing either. Last year's team quit on O'Leary midway through the season and showed just how much O'Leary had lost control of his team.

 

[FAN OF BOBBY DODD]

Originally posted by GTPilot:


Also, to compare this team's record to last years team's record isn't a good thing either. Last year's team quit on O'Leary midway through the season and showed just how much O'Leary had lost control of his team.[/QB]

<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">I think the point is that there are players on this team that O'leary recruited that are QUITTERS for whatever reasons and they quit on O' as well as Gailey and the coach needs to identify them and all asst. if there are any that caused this dissent and not allow them to play or coach in the bowl game if we go to one no matter how it effects us. Just my opinion.

 

[flatjacket]

Since when did it become fashionable to quit on the coaches? I did notice that last year that did seem to happen on OL. And it has happened at least twice with CG. It used to be unthinkable for players to quit on their teams. Now we are seeing it too often. That is very disturbing.

 

[mm42]

Originally posted by DustJacket:
If you want to make a comparison, do it with a coaching vacancy that became available because a coach left for a better job.

<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Okay,

In 2002, Ty Willingham left Stanford for Notre Dame. Stanford went from 9-3 to 2-9.

In 1987, Bill Curry left Georgia Tech for Alabama. Georgia Tech went from 5-5-1 to 2-9. (Fire Bobby Ross?)

In 1984, Howard Schnellenberger left Miami for pro football. Miami went from 11-1 to 8-5. (Obviously Jimmy Johnson couldn't coach.)

In 1999, Rick Neuheisel left Colorado for Washington. Colorado went from 8-4 to 7-5. (Then they went 3-8, then 10-3, and this year 9-3. They have won the Big XII once and the Big XII North twice, which Neuheisel never did.)

In 1984, Lou Holtz left Arkansas for Notre Dame. Ken Hatfield went 7-4-1 his first year. (He won 9 or 10 games every year for his next 5 years at Arkansas with 2 conference championships.)

 

[gtfan1147]

Even the glorious Mark Richt only led the Dogs to a 8-4 mark in his first year. Now, I know someone is going to say"Yeah , but he beat his archrival in their house. Yes he did. But did he defeat and undefeated team in their house late in the season? Did he end anyone half-season winning streak?

 

[GTTerrific]

Originally posted by mm42:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Originally posted by DustJacket:
If you want to make a comparison, do it with a coaching vacancy that became available because a coach left for a better job.

<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Okay,

In 2002, Ty Willingham left Stanford for Notre Dame. Stanford went from 9-3 to 2-9.

In 1987, Bill Curry left Georgia Tech for Alabama. Georgia Tech went from 5-5-1 to 2-9. (Fire Bobby Ross?)

In 1984, Howard Schnellenberger left Miami for pro football. Miami went from 11-1 to 8-5. (Obviously Jimmy Johnson couldn't coach.)

In 1999, Rick Neuheisel left Colorado for Washington. Colorado went from 8-4 to 7-5. (Then they went 3-8, then 10-3, and this year 9-3. They have won the Big XII once and the Big XII North twice, which Neuheisel never did.)

In 1984, Lou Holtz left Arkansas for Notre Dame. Ken Hatfield went 7-4-1 his first year. (He won 9 or 10 games every year for his next 5 years at Arkansas with 2 conference championships.)</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">MM42,

You're confusing people with facts. You're making too much sense. You're thinking clearly. Haven't you figured out that people don't want facts? Read beeware's post above. Especially when the chips are down after a bad L, this is a place to come bash without facts and speculate.

 

[gtmg]

The difference is these guys including Boss Ross did not get beat by their instate rivals 51-7 with zero emotion from their players. I guarantee you Bobby Ross would have apologized to the fans and his team for a performance like that. Ross also had a good recruiting year that you could point too. I cannot comment on the others. I do know Stanford was senior laden last year.

 

[ylojk8]

good to be back from a crazy thanksgiving break.
hard loss to swallow.

players not playing, coaches not coaching.

fire the coach, fire the AD, fire the president.

fonts saying fonts have been right about our coaching hire..

fonts beating their chests that they have been right ..

i don't care .. i'm still a Tech fan, a blind Tech fan, with white and gold glasses on. still support Gailey.

 

[Guest1066]

Originally posted by mm42:
In 1987, Bill Curry left Georgia Tech for Alabama. Georgia Tech went from 5-5-1 to 2-9. (Fire Bobby Ross?)

<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">But we knew Ross was a proven winner and was 10x the coach Curry would ever be and that he was going to win... How may of the other schools you mentioned had a powderpuff ACC schedule? Winning 7 games in the ACC is nothing to be proud of. Its merely tolerable until next year. You fans that are happy with mediocrity are more disgusting than the boo maggots.

 

[ncjacket]

Schedule is beside the point. All those teams played pretty much the same schedule the first year under their new coach as under their old one. Nobody changed conferences so comparing one year to the next at the same school is a good comparison.

 

[texstinger]

It is interesting to compare Curry's 80 schedule to Chan's schedule this year.

 

[mm42]

Originally posted by gtmg:
The difference is these guys including Boss Ross did not get beat by their instate rivals 51-7 with zero emotion from their players. I guarantee you Bobby Ross would have apologized to the fans and his team for a performance like that. Ross also had a good recruiting year that you could point too. I cannot comment on the others.

<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Personally, I found the 48-14 loss to our rival Duke rather demoralizing. I also thought that losing 33-6 to Wake Forest was pretty disgraceful. We didn't get completely thrashed by Georgia in 1987, but Georgia was not an 11-1 top 5 juggernaut either.

Jimmy Johnson's first team at Miami was stomped 38-3 at home by FSU. (Not a great FSU team, either - they finished 7-3-2.)

Barnett's first team at Colorado was completely thrashed 41-14 by Colorado State.

In short, you have no clue what you are talking about.

 

[mm42]

Originally posted by DustJacket:

But we knew Ross was a proven winner and was 10x the coach Curry would ever be and that he was going to win... How may of the other schools you mentioned had a powderpuff ACC schedule? Winning 7 games in the ACC is nothing to be proud of. Its merely tolerable until next year. You fans that are happy with mediocrity are more disgusting than the boo maggots.

<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">I don't recall saying I am happy with mediocrity. What I am is patient with coaches for their first several seasons. I am also knowledgeable regarding the difficulties of transition which many coaches (good and bad)experience.

Ross was no more a "proven winner" when we hired him than Gailey is.

Ross' best season prior to arriving at GT was 9-3 with a win in the Cherry Bowl. That was achieved playing in the "powderpuff" ACC as well. Is that your definition of greatness? Before that Ross coached at the Citadel for 5 years without having a record better than 6-5. Is that greatness?

I won't call you "disgusting", but I will suggest that you are arguing from a position of ignorance.

 

[ahsoisee]

Well BeeWare, let's do a little comparing.

O'Leary had a preseason top ten team last year with an established coaching staff and went 7-5 with the best schedule you could possibly have. all of the important games were at our home.

We have a new head coach and completely new coaching staff, with the loss of the first string quarterback, the best receiver ever at GT graduated, we lost a ton of key players, and most of the key games were on the road. We had a hospital full of injured players this year.

And yet, with all of this, our new head coach had the same record (7-5) as last year's glorious preseason top ten team. It appears to me, last year's coach squandered the season, and then fled for his life. Many of the rats tried to leave the ship, but had trouble getting out of the ship, so this year's team was stuck with one of the rats.

 

[Father WASP]

Agree with GTPilot. Also, the point about OL is mute, he underperformed his last year and should not be the measuring stick for the program.

7-5 at Wake under Grobe is one thing - clearly a program improving and competitive. 7-5 at Tech this year, struggling vs. Duke and getting absolutely blown out on national TV vs. Georgia and Maryland is another.

By the way, for those who want "facts" about this staff - both blowouts were coming off an off week, which usually allows teams to play BETTER with more preparation.

 

[FAN OF BOBBY DODD]

Originally posted by ahsoisee:
Well BeeWare, let's do a little comparing.

O'Leary had a preseason top ten team last year with an established coaching staff and went 7-5 with the best schedule you could possibly have. all of the important games were at our home.

We have a new head coach and completely new coaching staff, with the loss of the first string quarterback, the best receiver ever at GT graduated, we lost a ton of key players, and most of the key games were on the road. We had a hospital full of injured players this year.

And yet, with all of this, our new head coach had the same record (7-5) as last year's glorious preseason top ten team. It appears to me, last year's coach squandered the season, and then fled for his life. Many of the rats tried to leave the ship, but had trouble getting out of the ship, so this year's team was stuck with one of the rats.

<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">IT could not be said any better.

 

[GT98]

Originally posted by ahsoisee:
Well BeeWare, let's do a little comparing.

O'Leary had a preseason top ten team last year with an established coaching staff and went 7-5 with the best schedule you could possibly have. all of the important games were at our home.

We have a new head coach and completely new coaching staff, with the loss of the first string quarterback, the best receiver ever at GT graduated, we lost a ton of key players, and most of the key games were on the road. We had a hospital full of injured players this year.

And yet, with all of this, our new head coach had the same record (7-5) as last year's glorious preseason top ten team. It appears to me, last year's coach squandered the season, and then fled for his life. Many of the rats tried to leave the ship, but had trouble getting out of the ship, so this year's team was stuck with one of the rats.

<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">This post is 100% dead on. You will not get a response from beeware. He still does not realize that O'leary left us. I liked O'leary and what he did for the program, but he did leave for what he perceived to be greener pastures. Regardless, the way that the Maryland/Ugag losses occured were very troubling.