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Glad to see a ref speak out.

Other than that, don't we have a lot more s*&t of our own to take care of?
 
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YOu always have to turn it to a negative...very sad.

No...we do not have that crap to take care of...which is a lot worse than losing a football game. I would rather lose with integrity than win with thug-like behavior.

Of course, you do not have to have thugs to win.

My point is...VaTech obviously puts winning above character development.
 
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Glad to see a ref speak out.

Other than that, don't we have a lot more s*&t of our own to take care of?

[/ QUOTE ]Not quite sure what you're referring to if it relates to player behavior. I know we have a player that often times should be focusing on leading the team rather than talking smack with the opponent but at least he hasn't displayed the thuglike behavior that Baby Vick has.
 
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Would you say this is common w/ VT? I don't know all history, but I would say that this is not normally the class of VT football. I would say that Beamer might let a few things slip from time to time, but he tries to represent sportmanship and class. M Vick does not and never will. I think when you allow your program to become elite by getting get top talent, you tend to not have as much control over your bad apples. This has always been like this at FSU, Miami, UGA. What I am getting at is that if and IF we ever recruit on that level, you might see some little traits in SOME players that you wouldn't be proud of. You might even see the coach turn his head sometimes.
 
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while there may be some correlation between bad behavior and raw talent, you still have to look at the individuals that are recruited, i sure didn't see anything like that in last night's game, and that may well have been one of the all time gatherings of football talent on one field.
 
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I would agree for the most part. He is giving too much rope to the "superstar"...partically out of respect for his brother who largely catapulted their program. Also...because he is selling out a bit to win.

The others are just following a bit because they see Vick getting away with it...and he is in a leadership position on the field.
 
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also, i think there is probably some financial pressure that could have been applied by big brother, have you seen on TV the new facilities donated by Michael? Kicking out or suspending little vick would be an uncomfortable proposition. just like i knew a few gt students who had no business being in school at tech, flunked out more times that i thought was allowed, but dad was a big donor, and, well...
 
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This is what has seemed true all along. The NCAA tries to limit the SA's involvement with money, but it sounds like the players have found a way to have the influence in college, throught their NFL affiliates. SO, if players are good enough to make the pros and create a spark at their university, then in effect they set the standards for sportmanship and what is acceptable.
 
There are many Hokies...

...that are not happy with what the program seems to have become. I'm not at all implying that Beamer is in any trouble, but they are not pleased.

I have lived here since 1999, gotten a degree from VT and am now an adjunct professor here. I am disgusted at Vick's actions and what the head ref for that game said. I think there is a lot of truth to many of the posts in this thread. I think Vick has gotten away with his crap mostly because his name is Vick. Beamer has kicked several other good players off the team for less in the past. Beamer is a good guy and he built his early teams on the reputation of having a family atmosphere and being pretty wholesome. He started having trouble with players about a year before I got here and he just hasn't taken the steps to fix it. However, if you heard him at halftime, he was pretty disgusted with the undisciplined play of his team. He said wtte that "we have won lots of football games and this is not the way we win. We don't play like this." Also, the QB coach, Kevin Rogers, went public with his disgust for Vick's actions. He said he would have recommended suspending him from that game, but he didn't want to penalize the rest of the team. Bad decision - he should have penalized the rest of the team - maybe then they would help control that crap. Unfortunately talk is cheap - Beamer needs to take some strong action.

All I would ask is that you not paint the entire team (or school) as a bunch of thugs. There are a lot of good guys on the team - many of whom would make you proud if they wore the white and gold. Unfortunately, the good guys didn't (or couldn't) take control of the team and there are evidently a lot more of the other kind than I was aware of.

It's disappointing, disturbing and disgusting. There is absolutely no place for that.

Beamer needs to start by immediately cutting Vick loose. That would be one message that no one is bigger than the team. That should merely be the start.
 
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Of course...at the same time UVA did nothing (one game) for Brad Butler trying to end the career of the DE at Boston College...and Swofford applauded their "tough stance".

Of course, Butler had no priors like Vick has...but still should have missed the rest of his season (which happened to be his senior season).
 
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Did the refs miss what he did? If so, what could have been a better use for instant replay and then jack his ass out of the game for unsportsmanlike conduct?

By the way, when was the last time someone did get ejected by the officials? Or has TV told the refs they can't throw a star out anymore?
 
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Totally agree. Beamer has always seemed a class act. That could go for Bowden, Osbourne, Stoops,... This is something that I believe he will handle. Someone needs to put the first foot forward and maybe others in D1 will follow by example.
 
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VT superstar corner, Jimmy Smith, was tossed during the 1st half of that game. Does that have any reprecusssions for the first game of next year. I know when I was in HS (pardon my Al Bundy moment here) it was a 2 for 1 deal, get thrown out of a game and you missed the next one also.
 
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Correct...VT's Jimmy Smith was tossed...All-ACC CB.

OL Reddick was tossed from the Auburn bowl game.
 
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Totally agree. Beamer has always seemed a class act. That could go for Bowden, Osbourne, Stoops,... This is something that I believe he will handle.

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Beamer stuck his neck way out there for Vick after the rape incident, or whatever they called it.
If F Beamer has the so called class many think he does, M Vick just swung on and missed strike 3.
How does anybody explain this one away. Sure looks like Marcus thinks he can get away with anything. Before Beamer gets his playbook, maybe he should show him and nararate the latest episodes of M Clarett. Both are thugs imo.
 
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Tom Osborne ?? Did you forget about Lawrence Phillips (I think that is the name ? ).
Tom sold his soul for a NC
 
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To be fair, I don't recall any other real problem players under Osborne. I can understand a coach giving a player a second chance, but Vick simply does something stupid on a regular basis. I know a number of VT graduates and they can't stand the idea of him being on the team. They pull for their Hokies, but they would much rather have someone else at QB. Can he go pro after this year or does he have one more to go? Maybe Beamer will just convince him he's ready if he's eligible. The easiest way to handle his problem is to give him to someone else.
 
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Well, and I can only do this by putting it bluntly, since you can not see the forest for the trees, what I am referring to (after I complimented the ref) was the fact that we have a QB who has started for 3 years, we had one of the best running backs in GT history, we have what some experts call the best reciever in the entire country and in the last 2 games (both must win) we get him the ball 4 times.

So, yes, you bet your stupid ass that I think we have some shit to take care of. It is obvious that you don't think so. Every single damn thing with this program (flunkgate, chairbacks, clough stabbing the program in the back, FIRST PROBATION EVER, beating Auburn then getting murdered by duke, beating Auburn & UM and losing 3 of last 4) is freaking fine with you because you care about one person more than you do the Institute or our S/As. So one person gets an undeserved 5 year extension and as far as you are concerned is to hell with the program because of one man you somehow adore is pulling in his freaking million dollars.

So go ahead and rag on some other scumbags, like Vick, and continue to ignore what is happening in our own backyard.
 
Vick is a R-Jr,

so he could leave, but has one more year of eligibility. He redshirted a year, played behind Bryan Randall for a year, was suspended for a year and started for a year. Quite a diverse resume! I think he was entertaining thoughts of foregoing his senior year...until he had those 6 turnovers in the Miami game. I would be awfully surprised if he leaves. And actually, I don't think he's all that good. I know he was the All ACC QB, but that just shows how weak we were as a conference at QB. I think both Hagans at UVA and Whitehurst were better than Vick. Every time I saw Whitehurst this year; however, he made some bonehead play that a senior shouldn't make. From what I saw, I thought Hagans was the best QB in the ACC this past year.
 
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