Video of the call

That is not a judgement call... That's a pure "DON"T CALL"
 
You know what --after watching this again this really was a chicken sh!t call. I originally looked at it as being helmet-to-helmet but not in a flagrant sense of rule interpretation --therefore I thought the flag should have stayed in the pocket.

I didn't pay attention to this when it happened, but the line judge didn't throw the flag, it was the referee who came running in behind the play. I understand the the line judge is looking to mark the spot of the ball, but the play was right in front of him.

Plus, at the 5 second remaining mark of the replay it looks like Taylor had a bit of shoulder in with the hit.

Awful --just awful.
 
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GT65_UGA89 said:
I didn't pay attention to this when it happened, but the line judge didn't throw the flag, it was the referee who came running in behind the play. I understand the the line judge is looking to mark the spot of the ball, but the play was right in front of him.


Awful --just awful.
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I saw that too. I'm pretty sure that the referee that was behind the play, assumed that Taylor was hit out of bounds. He wasn't and the line judge likely told him so. So in the huddle, in stead of waiving off the flag, they simply changed the call. Seems like our little girl commish hired other little girls to ref our games.

We never seem to get marginal calls. Hopefully with CPJ chewing on the refs all season that will change soon.
 
It's really lame that we're still talking about this. If MJ doesn't crank Tyrod's facemask, it's not even an issue. Can we please get over it?
 
Ish said:
It's really lame that we're still talking about this. If MJ doesn't crank Tyrod's facemask, it's not even an issue. Can we please get over it?
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Its Tuesday now so I'm not as steamed about THE CALL.

But MJ's facemask never even happens if THE CALL doesn't happen in the first place.
 
wesleyd21 said:
Its Tuesday now so I'm not as steamed about THE CALL.

But MJ's facemask never even happens if THE CALL doesn't happen in the first place.
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And if we don't fumble before halftime we don't lose, and we're not talking about some ref's call.
 
Doesn't the rule say you have to lead with the helmet? Looks plain and unequivcoal that Cooper was leading with his shoulder and because of the change in angle caused by the other tackle hit him with both his shoulder and part of the helmet.
 
can any of you guys get this in a format that I can view at work? maybe even download and e-mail it to me? I really wanna see it and show some of my coworkers... i can not go to u-tube but i can view linked utube vids as long as the url is not utube...
 
On each of the videos that are available online you can easily freeze the action precisely at the point of contact. Cooper obviously led with his helmet and made helmet-to-helmet contact. Try to freeze the action. It's easy. And the foul is obvious.
 




Here's the screencaps. Decide for yourself. Looks to me like he's leading with his helmet and his helmet is hitting square into TT's.
 
At risk of getting slammed again, I think we should all be able to agree on a couple of things. 1) They did make helmet to helmet contact, 2) The hit did not rise to the level the rule was established to prevent, 3) In full speed, live, it must have looked that it did to the ref. 4) bad luck or questionable judgement but not an unbelievable call

Hopefully we can also agree that it's over, and we really don't want to get caught up in blaming refs when we didn't play to our potential either. It would have been great to steal a win Saturday, but we can play much better and could have taken VT out of the game way before the 4th quarter. I'm sure that's what PJ and the team are focusing on.
 
He's leading with his face up, not down AND he's heading right into the players shoulders. Taylor was up but is going down vertically right before the hit, causing 6'4" Cooper Taylor to hit high.

I now see why Safeties are all 6' or 6'1" tall and not 6'4". The taller you are the higher the hits.
 
ncjacket said:
Hopefully we can also agree that it's over, and we really don't want to get caught up in blaming refs when we didn't play to our potential either. It would have been great to steal a win Saturday, but we can play much better and could have taken VT out of the game way before the 4th quarter. I'm sure that's what PJ and the team are focusing on.
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I got over the call, got caught up in it again with this video, but ncj --who I find more times than not to be a voice of reason on ST-- is correct. Despite the call GT simply committed too many turnovers, a bad turnover at a most inopportune time, and could not capitalize when VT put the ball on the ground.

This was a winnable game, and that probably sat in my gut worse than this call. Hopefully PJ and the team are focusing on what went wrong in order to ensure it does not happen this weekend vs. Miss. State.
 
gth816f said:




Here's the screencaps. Decide for yourself. Looks to me like he's leading with his helmet and his helmet is hitting square into TT's.
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I'm not sure you body is designed, but on mine there is not way for my head to never be in front of my shoulder. The whole concept of "leading with the helmet" is stupid, of course you lead with the helmet it's the only ****ing thing you can actually do.

This rule is supposed to be for stopping spearing of the QB after a pass or wide receivers after a reception, because they are in no position to defend themselves. Not for hits on a runner.

(That said, we lost the game on -3 turnover margin, not this call.)
 
Who says? I think the fact that he was headed out of bounds and in the grasp of another defender has something to do with it. Also would be interesting to see the examples used, but I didn't see them anywhere. Remember this is a new (modified) rule.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]1. Player Safety.
Helmet Crown and Defenseless Players (Rule 9-1-3). The committee has refined the rules regarding the use of the helmet as a weapon and the targeting of defenseless players. (The Points of Emphasis section of the NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations lists a number of examples of defenseless players.) Emphasis on these actions highlights concern about potentially debilitating injuries. It is now a foul when a player targets an opponent and initiates contact with the crown (top) of the helmet. This rule is intended primarily for the safety of the player who initiates the contact. It is also a foul if a player targets a defenseless opponent and initiates contact above the shoulders. Each of these is a personal foul and thus carries a 15-yard penalty.[/SIZE][/FONT]
 
ncjacket said:
Who says? I think the fact that he was headed out of bounds and in the grasp of another defender has something to do with it. Also would be interesting to see the examples used, but I didn't see them anywhere. Remember this is a new (modified) rule.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]1. Player Safety.
Helmet Crown and Defenseless Players (Rule 9-1-3). The committee has refined the rules regarding the use of the helmet as a weapon and the targeting of defenseless players. (The Points of Emphasis section of the NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations lists a number of examples of defenseless players.) Emphasis on these actions highlights concern about potentially debilitating injuries. It is now a foul when a player targets an opponent and initiates contact with the crown (top) of the helmet. This rule is intended primarily for the safety of the player who initiates the contact. It is also a foul if a player targets a defenseless opponent and initiates contact above the shoulders. Each of these is a personal foul and thus carries a 15-yard penalty.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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By my personal reading of the rule that was not a penalty then. It's obvious that Cooper is not initiating contact with the crown of his helmet in the video and pictures. If anything he initiates contact with his forehead and mostly his shoulder.

Look, we lost the game on 3 turnovers and the lack of athletic enough LB to spy Taylor, but I feel like some people just love to be contrary and call people to task for opinions on this. To me this play was even more a bad call than Wheeler on Brady Quinn. At least in that player there as full on straight up helmet to helmet (even if it was caused by Pretty Boy Quinn flinching like a child before being hit). Here there is very little direct helmet to helmet and it is very questionable if it was with the crown of the helmet anyway.
 
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