What ACC Coach would you trade for Gailey?

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This is not a bash Gailey thread so don't treat it as such. And don't get your panties in a wad over the question either. This question is for the people who aren't sold on Gailey, for the people who are sold on Gailey, and those people who still haven't seen enough.

So seriously. Biasness aside. What other coach in the ACC would you trade for Gailey to coach at GT? Not a coach at a generic university but a good fit for GT?

I thought about this over the weekend, and I couldn't think of a coach.

The list....
Duke? Ted Roof? Absolutely not.
UNC? Bunting? Shoot me first.
UVA's Groh? He would get even less talent here to squander. No thanks.
Miami's Coker? He can't win at Miami, then you won't win at GT.
VT's Beamer? Ok, maybe I would. Beamer would have to get over the academics.

How about Wake's Grobe? His gimicky offense wouldn't cut it I don't think. But as a pure coach he may be the only one capable of doing at least as well as Gailey at GT.

NCST's Amato. Not no, but HELL NO!!

Maryland's Friedgen? We were 1 year away from having this man as our head coach. One year. What would have been? Probably not much better than what we got now. Fridge had more talent on offense when he went to Maryland than he would have had at GT. The two problems with Fridge that everyone worried about as far as his head coaching abilty seem to be real. Cannot evaluate talent and cannot sell a program.

FSU's Papa Bowden? On the down cycle. No thanks. Not now. 4 years ago, maybe.

Clemson's Tommy Bowden? Gailey and Tommy as far as expectations and taking a program so far are almost interchangeable.

BC's Obrien? Almost became our coach. Probably would have been semi-solid.

So in reality, I'm not sure I'd trade Chan for anyone right now. Beamer is definately someone I'd consider. OBrien is about the same as Chan. Tommy B is 3 years and one great season ahead of Gailey.
 
To be perfectly honest with you, I wouldn't trade Gailey for any coach in the ACC.

If I had a luger next to my head and were forced to choose :ugh: , I would say Beamer. Simply because of his record at VPI and his turning VPI into a recognized program in the NCAA.
 
So seriously. Biasness aside. What other coach in the ACC would you trade for Gailey to coach at GT?
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Maybe Beamer. But honestly, only maybe. I really like our coach. He's grown on me. I like his personality, his philosophy, his experience, etc.
 
I think Gailey is doing solid job and I don't think I would want any other ACC coach. That being said, it's a somewhat loaded question because collectively the ACC coaches are as bad as I can ever remember.

Here are some that are worthy of consideration:

1.) Grobe - probably take him if forced to pick someone. Really amazing job that he has done. Offense is run oriented but exciting.

2.) Beamer - I don't think it's as easy to get talent to Blacksburg as most GT fans do. Sure the academics are easy but they are easy at Miss St too and talent has never flocked their. Beamer built the program w/o the big time recuits and his teams are always well coached (at least before this year).

3.) O'Brien - He runs a borign offense with a boring personality to go along with it but it is hard to argue with the results. No doubt in my mind he could get more talent in Atlanta too.


4.) Friedgen - doesn't look nearly as good as he did 3 years ago but I think he will be back. Maybe not 3 10 win seasons in a row back but back to competing with the upper echilon teams. People that I talked to that knew them both say that Friedgen is a much bigger Arse than O'Leary. Basically O'Leary w/o the wit...

5.) Groh - yea he hasn't done as much as people thought with his talent but he was responsible for raising everyone's expectations by bringing in all of that talent. Feel like he is the kind of personality that would 'wear thin' after a while though...

The ACC needs a serious coaching upgrade. Just compare us to the SEC for example. There are 6 - 8 really good coaches in that league.
 
it certainly wouldn't be Bowden.

If I had to choose I would take the Wake coach. He probably can come up w/ some offense to be successful.

I would like to think Fridge could do better here at GT, but his health is so bad now. If he is coaching 2 years from now I will be surprised.

I like the fact that CG has turned over the offense. If we can rebound against Miami it may be a positive sign of the future.
 
Definitely not Papa Bowden, not today. Here's all the evidence you need to know why:

"I don’t like offensive football the way it is nowadays. Offensive football today is a game of formations. When I used to work the offense, you lined up in one formation and you played that way the whole game. You could tell every thing the other team was doing. If they did this, you go there. If they did this, you go here. If they do this, you do that. But now it’s ‘put this formation in and they do this. Put this formation in and they do that.’ Try to always get some kind of a mismatch. But that’s the way the pros play it. Colleges are the same way."

http://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=581775

Looking around the ACC, O'Brien may be the only coach I would feel confident in taking. Beamer's discipline issues have been too great. Bowden is doing fairly good this year, but I wasn't too impressed with him earlier in his career. Grobe (and Paul Johnson at Navy) seem like good coaches, but I'm not sure how their coaching will translate to a team with better athletes.

Coker, Bunting and Groh? Not no, but hell no.
 
Beamer is a thug-coddling scumbag. No thanks.

O'Brien is the only one I would consider trading for, and apparently he had no stomach for our recruiting restrictions.
 
I've thought that Grobe has showed promise for a while now, but honestly I expected something more from him than a single Seattle Bowl appearance. Maybe if he makes it to the ACCCG this year..
 
Good thread to consider. I would not trade Gailey for any current ACC Coach. Here at mid-2006 season I would say that he is in the upper half of coaches with Beamer, both Bowdens, O'Brien, and either Coker, Grobe, or Friedgen.

The lower half would be Amato, Bunting, Groh, Roof and probably Coker and Ralph from the above list. Beamer and Bobby B are the two with the great career resumes. But, this year, Gailey, T Bowden, O'Brien, and Grobe are doing the best with what they
have to work with.
 
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Grobe - good coach. Don't know if he's a one trick pony or not. Should stay where he is and keep his reputation, rather than grab the Mad Bank from a factory somewhere.

B Bowden - naw. He's senile. Hope he stays at That Woman's College another ten years, but they will ease him out long before.

Beamer - mediocre coach who has lived off his defensive coordinator in a way that you pro-Tenuta-anti-Gailey termites can only DREAM of happening. I'd hire him as a special teams coordinator, though, even though we dominated their ST's this year.

T Bowden - does well with farm boys. Glad he's not at Athens Correctional. I'm not sure I want to turn the keys over to him here. Besides, I am afraid that I would accidentally get them confused and hire Terry instead of Tommy.

O'Brien - didn't want to come here, so I don't want him, either.

Groh - never has a coach done so little with so much since Goff and Donn_n left Athens Correctional.

Amato - no, let's NOT turn "The I" into a laughingstock.

Bunning - I cannot imagine him staying employed at UNC for nearly as long as he has. Keen defensive mind, if you like giving up half a hundred.

Ralph - Peter Principled into a head coaching role. Has his moments, even today, but the turmoil will bring things down in the end.

Roof - great linebacker. Good position coach. Could do well with a Div II program somewhere.

Coker - yeah, and Bill Lewis maintained control of his team, too! Did we ever find out if the Miami suspensions were with or without pay?

In summary, I'm fine with keeping Gailey right here for a long time. If he retires, and I HAD to replace him with an ACC coach, I'd look at O'Brien, Grobe, T Bowden, Ralph, Beamer, and Groh, in that order. Beyond that, I'd put the rest in an interview pool with Dave Wilson and Bill Lewis.
 
Roof - great linebacker. Good position coach. Could do well with a Div II program somewhere.
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I just don't think you can judge how good a HC Roof may be by his experience at Dook. But to get another shot, he'll prolly will have to go to a Div II program.
 
GEETEELEE said:
I just don't think you can judge how good a HC Roof may be by his experience at Dook. But to get another shot, he'll prolly will have to go to a Div II program.
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A careful reading would say that I did not judge how good a HC Roof may be. I will say that I would not hire Roof as HFC at GT unless he does prove himself somewhere.
 
goldmember said:
I think Gailey is doing solid job and I don't think I would want any other ACC coach. That being said, it's a somewhat loaded question because collectively the ACC coaches are as bad as I can ever remember.

Here are some that are worthy of consideration:

1.) Grobe - probably take him if forced to pick someone. Really amazing job that he has done. Offense is run oriented but exciting.

2.) Beamer - I don't think it's as easy to get talent to Blacksburg as most GT fans do. Sure the academics are easy but they are easy at Miss St too and talent has never flocked their. Beamer built the program w/o the big time recuits and his teams are always well coached (at least before this year).

3.) O'Brien - He runs a borign offense with a boring personality to go along with it but it is hard to argue with the results. No doubt in my mind he could get more talent in Atlanta too.


4.) Friedgen - doesn't look nearly as good as he did 3 years ago but I think he will be back. Maybe not 3 10 win seasons in a row back but back to competing with the upper echilon teams. People that I talked to that knew them both say that Friedgen is a much bigger Arse than O'Leary. Basically O'Leary w/o the wit...

5.) Groh - yea he hasn't done as much as people thought with his talent but he was responsible for raising everyone's expectations by bringing in all of that talent. Feel like he is the kind of personality that would 'wear thin' after a while though...

The ACC needs a serious coaching upgrade. Just compare us to the SEC for example. There are 6 - 8 really good coaches in that league.
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I think your estimate of "really good coaches" is somewhat high. I'm sure some on your list have had their own "Fire -- -- " websites in the past couple of years. There are maybe 4-5 Really Good Coaches in the SEC- Richt,Spurrier,Tuberville,---Meyer [??],Fulmer[??].Jury's still out on the LSU coach until he puts at least 3-4 great seasons on the board.
 
LOL at the 'great' SEC coaches.

Tuberville is far and away in the top 3 (Meyer and Spurrier are the others) and Gailey upset him twice with average ACC level teams.

Richt a year ago looked all world and now it may have been VanGorder the whole time. Maybe he will be a great coach when it is all said and done.

The fourth best HC in the league is the OC at UT. IIRC Ole Miss fired him off a 7 win season. Firing seven win coaches (unless you are a traditional powerhouse) is a short term path to the basement.
 
This thread is pretty much an indictment of the quality of coaching in the ACC.
 
I don't think so knox. The fact is with the way fans look at their teams/coaches these days there are very few coaches in the country that are solid in their support. One or two bad years, or boring wins or disappointing finishes and the formerly all world coaching prospect is just another flop. Almost every school has a group of fans convinced their coach is the worst in American. The only difference is the size of that group. The fact is most coaches have a pretty good idea of what they're doing, but the results they get are a combination of recruiting success (players panning out or being better than expectation), familiarity with their staffs and players and using their strengths well, and luck. Very few coaches reach the college level who don't know what's going on.
 
Richt a year ago looked all world and now it may have been VanGorder the whole time. Maybe he will be a great coach when it is all said and done.
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Yeah, I still think Richt's track record is extremely high. Time may tell, but Richt (unfortunately) has to be said in the list of top SEC coaches. So does Fulmer.
 
knoxjacket said:
This thread is pretty much an indictment of the quality of coaching in the ACC.
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There is no doubt that the ACC is down this year but the fact that you have 3 sure bet firings in the ACC this year and possibly more definately says the quality of coaching isn't there this year.

That said, just because you wouldn't trade another person for Gailey doesn't reflect that the coaching sucks across the board either.
 
GTCrew said:
Richt a year ago looked all world and now it may have been VanGorder the whole time. Maybe he will be a great coach when it is all said and done.
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Van Gorder isn't doing such a hot job himself right now as a head coach. Mark Richt's problem is he takes a helluva lot of gambles. His first year he had a couple of big gambles go against him for losses. After that, he had the scheme and the players to get away with it.

Now you're seeing a lack of quality depth at UGA and its starting to expose Richt. He's not used to playing without a full deck.
 
LOL at the 'great' SEC coaches.
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Any remotely objective person would say that the SEC has better coaches right now. The only really 'bad' SEC coaches are at Kentucky and Miss St although I am not real impressed with Shula at Bama. The jury still being out on Miles and [SIZE=-1]Orgeron but eveyone else is a pretty good coach.[/SIZE]
 
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