What Happened to ACC Football?

Discussion in 'Football' started by Bowdon Rambler, Oct 24, 2012.

  1. Bowdon Rambler

    Bowdon Rambler Varsity Lurker

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    I am watching Tech and Clemson from 1999. My question isnt just because of this game. It is just me remembering the conference back then. We dominated UGA for three years. FSU was great. Many other ACC teams were consistently good. The ACC was the place to be during that time. What has happened? I know Gailey hurt us at Tech which was a bad hire after the disappointing loss of Oleary. What else is the source of decline? I have read from insiders on Rivals that the SEC spends alot more on recruiting than the ACC. Is that not something the Acc can fix? I have heard that Tech is fixing to offer more courses and spend more on assistant coaches in order to bring in better recruits.
    When we added Miami, VT, and BC I was very excited. That hasnt paid off. Who has the answers? Who has done the research?

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    I blame FSU and Miami.
     
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    Ah yes, the glory years of the ACC also known as the FSU + 8 retart midget conference.

    The ACC is the same as it's always been just doesn't have the a program like FSU from the 90s/early-2000s that dominate on the national stage.
     
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    like FSU.. like Miami... like UVA.. like Clemson.. like GT.. like UNC.. the whole conference is down..
     
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    guys, i heard that next year the ACC is back.

    along with dah U, FSU, and ND
     
  8. Bowdon Rambler

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    I strongly disagree. In the 90's the Acc didnt constantly get whipped by other conferences. I know that FSU was great and dominated. That didnt mean that the rest of the league had to get owned by every other conference.

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    I would leave the U off that list. They got destroyed by Notre Dame and Kansas State. There biggest win was against a very average tech team with a division two QB

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    GTCrew4b Get That Corn Outta Ma Face

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    SEC Dominance happened to ACC football.
     
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    I understand the frustration, but question some of the things you've heard. First, I doubt we - i.e., Tech - will ever be able to spend as much on recruiting as the big SEC schools like UGA, ALA, AUB, LSU, etc. Both our alumni base and our fan base are much smaller than theirs. Our best hope would be a very wealthy fan or alumnus who decides to take our program under his wing, like Boone Pickens did at Oklahoma State.

    I can't speak for the rest of the ACC, but I expect the same is true except for perhaps the Clemsons, FSUs, Miamis, and perhaps VTs.

    Also, where have you hear that Tech will offer more courses to attract football recruits? That would be nice, but I'm not sure it's happening.
     
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    $urely there is $ome rea$on why the $EC and some other $chools have $urpa$$ed the ACC recently ... $ome other focu$ or factor that has been injected into the $y$tem ... I can't quite put my finger on it though
     
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    Because when a SEC school pays a player's dad $200,000 an ACC school gets investigated.
     
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    You must have incredibly selective memory. Looking to Sagarin's rankings by conference since 1998, it's clear that the ACC was never the place to be. We had a single representative in the elite schools (FSU). There was a shuffling of a couple schools in and out of the top 25. There were typically 3 good teams - not much unlike it is now.

    Our "domination" of uga is clearly the exception, not the rule. Look at our record in the 20-30 years before and since.

    A good Miami and BC would do nothing but make it harder for us to compete. We are having a hard enough time as is.

    It's a combination of (1) $$$ (to me it's not the TV contracts but the facts that our fans suck); (2) coaching (as a result of the $$, our assistants and coordinators aren't as good); (3) recruiting (less money and worse assistants and worse atmosphere = poor recruiting).

    The main thing to me is it starts with us. If GT averaged 85k a game and was the place to be in Atlanta, we'd have a ton more money, could spend it on better coaches, and as a result of both of those things get better recruits. People always blame GT academics for why we don't get recruits. Not so. It's because, given the option, players are going to want to play in front of 90k people, not 40k. If we had more and better fans most of our problems would take care of themselves.

    1998 - ACC is 6th. Besides #3 FSU, we have #21 GT, #22 uva, and #38 NC St. No other team is in the top 40. Beside North Carolina (#45), no other team is in the top 70. Clemson is a monstrous 3-8.

    1999 - We are 3rd with FSU, GT, and Clemson in the top 25. Virginia and Wake are top 40. NCSt and Maryland are top 60.

    2000 - Back down to 6th. Again FSU (3), GT (14), Clemson (15) are the only decent schools. NC St is the only other in the top 50.

    2001 - 4th. FSU (9), Maryland (10), UNC (23), us (26) are decent. Cimpson (41), NC ST (43) round out the top 50.

    2002 - 4th. FSU (11), Maryland (13), NC St (14), uva (29) top 30. Us, Wake, Clem in the top 50.
     
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    If the schools you are naming are spending that money, where is the results? The rumor i heard about Tech was from the insider that covers Tech for rivals. He seems to have the inside story more than anyone who covers Tech. I think we have an athletic director that doesnt except mediocrity. I hope we can keep him around.

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    Where are the results at Alabama, Georgia, and LSU????!!!! Are you serious?
     
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    Nice post
     
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    Here's a list of the current starting NFL QBs with their college conference affiliation. I used the current conference alignment, not where the school was when the QB was drafted - too messy. I put Wilson in the ACC because that's where he played the majority of his career.

    ACC (7)
    Russell Wilson
    Michael Vick
    Matt Schaub
    Philip Rivers
    Christian Ponder
    Matt Ryan
    Matt Hasselbeck

    SEC (7)
    Jay Cutler
    Ryan Tannehill
    Peyton Manning
    Eli Manning
    Blaine Gabbert
    Matthew Stafford
    Cam Newton

    PAC12 (5)
    Alex Smith
    Mark Sanchez
    Carson Palmer
    Andrew Luck
    Arron Rodgers

    BIG12 (5)
    Andy Dalton
    Brandon Weeden
    Sam Bradford
    Josh Freeman
    R.G. III

    FCS (4)
    Ryan Fitzpatrick
    John Skelton
    Tony Romo
    Joe Flacco

    BIG TEN (2)
    Drew Brees
    Tom Brady

    MAC
    Ben Rothlisberger

    Independent
    Brady Quinn

    What if anything does it tell us about the ACC?
     
  20. gt2690b

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    QBs are often smarter and smarter kids play for ACC schools... you'll find alot more SEC kids in teh trenches