What would our record be if DB were the starter all season?

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It's anybody's guess, but I really don't think it would be any better with Bilbo than it would be with AJ. We might have won a coupla games we lost, but Bilbo would have cost us at least a coupla games as well.

I've said this before: Quarterbacks are like presidents - when things are good they get too much credit, when things are bad they get too much blame. Who can't say that all of AJ's interceptions were due to recievers running bad routes? What happens when our FOURTH string tailback misses a block? A lineman confuses his assignment? Football is a team game and the QB is the center of all attention, but he is 100% dependant on ALL of his teammates doing their jobs for him to be successful.

There's NO WAY you can convince me that the coaches didn't put the BEST QB we had available on the field and there's NO WAY you can convince me that all you fonts screaming for Bilbo know better than the coaches which one that is.

There's one thing I can absolutely freakin' guarantee you: That everyone calling Gailey a fool for not starting Bilbo would be doing the EXACT same thing had DB been the starter instead of AJ. (whine mode on)"Wee gotta proven starter in AJ - why isn't he playing instead of Bilbo who overthrows all his receivers and is way too quick to run?"(whine mode off)

Look, things could have been better record wise, there could have been better performance at the QB position, BUT they could have also been worse. For every Ty Willingham, Terry Bowden, Ralph Freidgen type success as a first year coach there are TEN examples of first year coaches with only 3-4 wins. And don't bring up the old crap "He had sooo much talent" - You think Gene Stallings had any less talent to work with his first year?

Recruiting seems to be going about as good as one could reasonably hope for. We have an experienced staff that is learning how to use the talent we got and I fully expect to have an improved season next year with AJ or anyone else under center. Can any reasonable fan ask for more? And no, no coach has any obligation to let us in on the internal workings of the team.
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Well, from one Lee to another, I believe the w-l record would have been within one game either direction...HOWEVER the team going into Athens, the bowl, and more importantly next season, would be much much better off due to the experience Bilbo would have rec'd.

Your seemingly complete confidence in CG's choice, just isn't supported by what has happened so very often this year and others, with the first choice of the all-knowing water walking coaches being replaced by their 2nd choice only to go on to better records.

As for what could any reasonable fan expect? Improvement as the season progressed, 2nd half adjustments, and at a minimum, be prepared & pumped... for by FAR the biggest game of the year which you have had all season to prep for.

What I hope and believe will happen is we will benefit a great deal from the rule of: Biggest degree of improvement for new coaches is from first to second year. Especially since we will have a Jr./Sr. laden team. THWG
 
The record if Bilbo had started may have 5-7. It could have been better. The best thing would be that the 2003 season would be reason for optimism instead of impending doom. I don't believe every interception was AJ's fault. However, he has thrown more INT's than TD's. I would have given Gailey a world of credit for playing Bilbo. First of all, I wouldn't post for Bilbo to start and then criticize Gailey for doing that no matter the result. Secondly, AJ is not the answer. If Bilbo stinks it up, go to Camp or give Pena a look in spring practice. All of you FOC'ers need to realize the decision to play AJ ahead of Bilbo is Gailey's and Gailey's alone. If it were up to O'Brien, Bilbo would be starting. That is obvious from the confrontation that was heard by a number of people at the Wake Forest game. Gailey is terrific with the running game but his development of the passing game is poor. Why do you think Emmitt Smith speaks highly of him but Aikman doesn't? As far as next season goes, if AJ is the starter we will probably by 4-8. The only thing that could save us is Tony Hollings and even he may not be able save the season. GEETEELEE, I suggest you look at the schedule next year. It's going to be hard to get 8 wins when our scoring offense which ranked 93rd as the same starting QB and we lose 3 starters in the secondary. Our defense won't be able to bail AJ out next year.
 
Who knows. But I can argue that Suggs cost us the Clemson and Wake games, and his poor passing in the BYU game indirectly led to our stud RB being overused and hurt.
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Your seemingly complete confidence in CG's choice, just isn't supported by what has happened so very often this year and others, with the first choice of the all-knowing water walking coaches being replaced by their 2nd choice only to go on to better records.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Sure it happens, but that's the exception, not the rule. Think UGA's better off with Shockley? My point was that the coaches see them daily and are in a infinately better position to evaluate their performance than fans that only watch them play on Saturdays.

the decision to play AJ ahead of Bilbo is Gailey's and Gailey's alone. If it were up to O'Brien, Bilbo would be starting.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">That is a completely unsubstatiated statement. Did YOU hear the confrontation? Do YOU know transpires between BO'B and CG on a daily basis? Your statement is nothing more than rumour and inuendo.

As far as next season goes, if AJ is the starter we will probably by 4-8.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">That's your opinion and you're welcome to it, but that goes back to the basic premise of my original post - IT AIN'T ALL ABOUT AJ! Condeming the team to a 4 win season with AJ is not fair to AJ or to the rest of the team. I expect to see improvement whether AJ is the QB or not.

But I can argue that Suggs cost us the Clemson and Wake games, and his poor passing in the BYU game indirectly led to our stud RB being overused and hurt.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Why don't you blame Watkins and Smith for those games because they dropped those very catchable passes? And you're blaming AJ for an ACL???? Especially when AJ has no time to set up to read the D, but had to rush virtually every pass?

My point STILL is that football is a TEAM game and poor QB play is not always due to a poor QB.
 
After one season that was a little slow to get started (staying with Dolphins for an extra couple of weeks) it's hard to tell if what we're looking at CG wise is the cumulative effect thus far or an already established pattern. I tend to believe that Coach Gailey is still well short of the goals he set for himself coming in but is a lot closer than he was. If next year should be a repeat performance (a critical disappointment) there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth by the faithful.
 
Originally posted by bobby dodds ghost:
Who knows. But I can argue that Suggs cost us the Clemson and Wake games, and his poor passing in the BYU game indirectly led to our stud RB being overused and hurt.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">I think that is a low blow to intimate that AJ was in anyway to blame for Hollins injury and that seems to be the case. By the way some of you need to read Swillins post on the hive where he states that Bilbo's work ethic in practice and game preparation film room ect. was the reason he did not play which makes a lot of sense because there would have been mutiny by the players if there was mistreetment of him by the coaches which is always implied on this board. And that has not been the case. By the way I won't Bilbo to get his act together as much as anybody because he seems to have great potential but all evidence points otherwise.
 
The confrontation was heard by a number of people who sat close to the bench in the west stands. A number of people have mentioned it on this board and the Hive. I don't think Bilbo would solve all the problems but he deserves a chance. It's silly to blame the line for the BYU game. AJ performed poorly just like the FSU game. The QB is the most pivotal position in college football. Ask LSU, the were a BCS team before Mauck went down. You can believe AJ's problems were the receiver or the line's fault. The harsh reality is that he is not a D-1 caliber quarterback. We didn't score more than 2 TD's in a game from Maryland on in. You can claim Gailey as the expert but the experts do make mistakes. It's not a good idea to take their word as gospel.
 
Great post GTL. Always enjoy your reasonable, thought-provoking posts. You're a credit to GT and these message boards.

Bottom line is, we DON'T know all that is going on behind the scenes. Just judging from on-field performance is a little short-sided given our lack of information. Debo will be a great QB if he wants to be badly enough.

As far as Gailey's first season, you're exactly right. With old players, a newly assembled coaching staff working for the first time together, and all the injuries we suffered I think we had a pretty good season.

Here's to a BETTER 2003 starting with a big "W" against AU!!!

 
I think some of the problems were at the QB position, but not all the problems. To answer the one question, I think we might have been 9-3 with Bilbo, Camp, Logan, etc.

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Originally posted by JacketFanPCB:
Great post GTL. Always enjoy your reasonable, thought-provoking posts. You're a credit to GT and these message boards.

Bottom line is, we DON'T know all that is going on behind the scenes. Just judging from on-field performance is a little short-sided given our lack of information. Debo will be a great QB if he wants to be badly enough.

As far as Gailey's first season, you're exactly right. With old players, a newly assembled coaching staff working for the first time together, and all the injuries we suffered I think we had a pretty good season.

Here's to a BETTER 2003 starting with a big "W" against AU!!!
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">I agree with this whole post, JFPCB, and must say the recent observations about DBo's attitude (which you allude to) on the Hive make more sense than " not knowing the playbook." " Doesn't know the playbook" has always sounded euphemistic to me, like the coaches did not want to say something harsher.
 
I don't have a clue what our record would have been with Bilbo as the starter. If the coaches are correct it would have been worse. OTOH maybe he would have figured things out if he had no choice.

FWIW I think it's a big assumption to conclude from a difference of opnion during the Wake game that BOB would have started Bilbo from then on. We just don't know.

BTW, the comment about Aikman complaining while Emmitt was happy with Chan could also be explained by Troy being a whinner in general.
 
GTLEE, ugag better off with Shockley!? Why would they change?!?! What an off the mark analogy. AJ ain't no Greene. THWG
 
We can only speculate as to the record maybe better maybe worse only God knows, not you not me not even Chan. With that said I would have liked to have seen DB play more so we and the coaches could have seen how he would have handled game situations. The few time he did play he looked pretty good to me but then again I'm not the coach and will probably never be one. So no need to speculate.
 
Nobody knows what might have happened but this is for sure.If CG had used Bilbo more during the season (Duke,Wake,Clem),he would have been much more capable of winning this game.Probably would not have won at NCSt but the rest are open for debate.
 
Where is Swilling's post on The Hive? Give me topic name or screen name so I can go read it.

What is the confrontation being talked about here. I am clueless.
 
Originally posted by GEETEELEE:
It's anybody's guess, but I really don't think it would be any better with Bilbo than it would be with AJ. We might have won a coupla games we lost, but Bilbo would have cost us at least a coupla games as well.

I've said this before: Quarterbacks are like presidents - when things are good they get too much credit, when things are bad they get too much blame. Who can't say that all of AJ's interceptions were due to recievers running bad routes? What happens when our FOURTH string tailback misses a block? A lineman confuses his assignment? Football is a team game and the QB is the center of all attention, but he is 100% dependant on ALL of his teammates doing their jobs for him to be successful.

There's NO WAY you can convince me that the coaches didn't put the BEST QB we had available on the field and there's NO WAY you can convince me that all you fonts screaming for Bilbo know better than the coaches which one that is.

There's one thing I can absolutely freakin' guarantee you: That everyone calling Gailey a fool for not starting Bilbo would be doing the EXACT same thing had DB been the starter instead of AJ. (whine mode on)"Wee gotta proven starter in AJ - why isn't he playing instead of Bilbo who overthrows all his receivers and is way too quick to run?"(whine mode off)

Look, things could have been better record wise, there could have been better performance at the QB position, BUT they could have also been worse. For every Ty Willingham, Terry Bowden, Ralph Freidgen type success as a first year coach there are TEN examples of first year coaches with only 3-4 wins. And don't bring up the old crap "He had sooo much talent" - You think Gene Stallings had any less talent to work with his first year?

Recruiting seems to be going about as good as one could reasonably hope for. We have an experienced staff that is learning how to use the talent we got and I fully expect to have an improved season next year with AJ or anyone else under center. Can any reasonable fan ask for more? And no, no coach has any obligation to let us in on the internal workings of the team.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">What a bunch of crap! Can you not see how the team rallied in spirit around Debo? Are you really that narrow minded as to not recognize the obvious! Hell, them announcers brought it up time and again. I don't care about his mistakes because this was Debo's first extended action all season and he ignighted the entire Georgia Tech Nation! I dare you to say otherwise. With Debo in the lineup you knew something exicting was going to happen. The mistakes will drop as the adrenalin rushing thourgh him drops because of the rarity of extended playing time and his talent along with quality coaching takes over. He could have been much closer if Gailey was not as narrow in his thinking as you are.
 
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