Which P5 school has the most NCAA forfeits?

Which P5 school has the most NCAA forfeits?

  • Alabama

  • Auburn

  • Clemson

  • Florida State

  • Georgia

  • Mississippi State

  • Notre Dame

  • Ohio State

  • Southern Cal

  • Syracuse

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18in32

18in32

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Which P5 school do you think has the most NCAA forfeits? (By that I mean, which team has retroactively forfeited wins as a result of NCAA penalties, a la the 2009 ACCCG.)

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Every P5 school which forfeited on-field victories due to NCAA sanctions –

#1 Alabama: –29 wins (915 adjusted to 886)
#2 Notre Dame: –21 wins (839 adjusted to 818)
#3 Mississippi State: –17 wins (570 adjusted to 553)
#4 North Carolina: –16 wins (646 adjusted to 630)
#5 Southern Cal: –14 wins (755 adjusted to 471)
#6 Ohio State: –12 wins (799 adjusted to 787)
#7 Florida State: –11 wins (518 adjusted to 507)
#7 Syracuse: –11 wins (672 adjusted to 661)
#9 UCLA: –7 wins (582 adjusted to 575)
#10 Michigan State: –5 wins (577 adjusted to 572)
#11 California: –3 wins (570 adjusted to 567)
#12 Ga. Tech: –1 wins (729 adjusted to 728)

No other team has reduced its victory total due to forfeits (including Auburn, Georgia, Clemson, Michigan, etc.).

It is interesting to consider the imperfect relationship between overall program success and appearance on this list. Some people just can't cheat as well as others, I guess.
 
I answered as if I read your question as which P5 school *should* have the most forfeits.
 
Where is SMU? Did they have to forfeit anything after the death penalty?
 
I am amazed that every single football game in the history of NCAA Football on all levels hasn't ended with both teams having to forfeit the game due to a multitude of improprieties.
 
Hmm, just discovered that my reference source – www.sports-reference.com – has some internally inconsistent data on this.

One page shows teams forfeiting/vacating wins which another page does not show. The discrepancy appears to be that some teams have *gained* victories through other teams' forfeits – though in fact that's not supposed to happen. (In other words, though we forfeited the 2009 ACCCG, Clemson did not win it and does not get to list it as a win.)

So for example, one page shows Auburn forfeiting three wins in the mid-70's but the other page actually shows Auburn having three more wins in the NCAA record book than on the field. That suggests the NCAA somehow credited them with six victories they didn't earn (probably because Alabama forfeited them). But that's not supposed to happen.

So maybe this isn't correct after all. That's disappointing.
 
18in32 said:
Hmm, just discovered that my reference source – www.sports-reference.com – has some internally inconsistent data on this.

One page shows teams forfeiting/vacating wins which another page does not show. The discrepancy appears to be that some teams have *gained* victories through other teams' forfeits – though in fact that's not supposed to happen. (In other words, though we forfeited the 2009 ACCCG, Clemson did not win it and does not get to list it as a win.)

So for example, one page shows Auburn forfeiting three wins in the mid-70's but the other page actually shows Auburn having three more wins in the NCAA record book than on the field. That suggests the NCAA somehow credited them with six victories they didn't earn (probably because Alabama forfeited them). But that's not supposed to happen.

So maybe this isn't correct after all. That's disappointing.
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A forfeit is different from a vacated win. A forfeit means one team won and the other team lost. A vacated win means one team’s win was removed, with no change to the team’s losses or the opponents wins or losses. It sounds like some games were forfeited and some were vacated, which may be why you see the apparent discrepancy.

That said, given the NCAA’s constantly changing rules and applications thereof, it is possible that things were different in the past. Past rules for adjusting win/loss records for vacated games and forfeited games may have been different from today’s rules.
 
bravejason said:
A forfeit is different from a vacated win. A forfeit means one team won and the other team lost. A vacated win means one team’s win was removed, with no change to the team’s losses or the opponents wins or losses. It sounds like some games were forfeited and some were vacated, which may be why you see the apparent discrepancy.

That said, given the NCAA’s constantly changing rules and applications thereof, it is possible that things were different in the past. Past rules for adjusting win/loss records for vacated games and forfeited games may have been different from today’s rules.
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But the real question: can you vacate a forfeited win?
 
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