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I am having a difficult time here. Please if anyone can explain it would be great.

Why in the hell does the greatness of the ACC seem to depend how good FSU and Miami does according to ESPN and other sports sources????

Neither one of them has even sniffed the ACCCG in YEARS! But somehow despite VT, GT, and Wake (weird) being the ACCCG in more recent years, FSU and Miami are the real representation of the ACC and the other schools are just a backseat, an occasional threat until they get good again back to the old days. That's what it looks like to me. It is very frustrating. Don't get it. It's like the FSU and Miami fans are soooo cocky and full of themselves and they are "back" this year because of all this crap about them having to represent the ACC because they are the REAL representation...

Don't get it... any insight anyone????

I say screw them both, and GT needs to beat them both this year and we need to take the repect.... :fingersx:
 
maybe b/c these are the two teams that have traditionally been powers in college football, and them joining the league was supposed to make the league challenge the other "top conferences"

perception is reality for most Americans...
 
I've been wondering the exact same thing. I'm sick of hearing those two need to be good for the ACC to be good. WHY?!

The Big 12 was down, and then Missouri and Kansas got good and people said the Big 12 was good again. Neither of them are traditional powers. Granted, Oklahoma and Texas were still good, but it didn't take Nebraska getting good again to make the Big 12 good again...

All we need is a team most years competing for the national championship, and we'll be "good." Who cares which team it is? As long as we've got one.

I submit that Tech become that team. And if every few years it's a Wake or someone like that, why does the logo on the helmet matter? As long as they're legitimately competing...
 
What would we think of the Big 10 if Michigan and Ohio State sucked and Illinois was the big player in their league?


Oh, right.
 
The problem isn't that F$U and Miami have fallen off. The problem is noone has replaced them at the top. The ACC has been terrible over the last 3-4 years in bowl games, especially the high profile ones.
 
beej67 said:
What would we think of the Big 10 if Michigan and Ohio State sucked and Illinois was the big player in their league?


Oh, right.
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If Illinois and Northwestern were competing for the title (Big Ten and MNC) year in and year out, and consistently fielding undefeated teams, that would do just as much for the conference as if Michigan and Ohio State were doing it. Rather, it should, but stupid people would look down on the conference just because the traditional powers aren't the ones having the success, which is sad.

I posted this in a thread a while back, and it got glossed over:

GTSaxophone said:
I am beyond sick and tired of people saying we NEED f$u and miami to become powers again. NO WE DON'T! All we need is for any two or three schools to start busting heads nationally for the ACC to start getting some respect. The Big Ten gets blasted all the time because people accuse them of being osu/um and nothing else. It isn't about certain schools dominating, it's about having dominating schools (if that makes sense)

Scenario: TECH, wake, and unc are perennial top-10 teams, and between the three have played in or won the past five national championship games. That would do just as much for our conference as having f$u and miami rise back up.

Another thing to mention is parity. We can't just be top loaded, the SEC doesn't just hang it's hat on the fact that it's best teams are the best in the nation. It prides itself in having all it's teams being good enough to possibly beat those best teams week in and week out. So we don't just need f$u and miami to step it up. We need climpsun, bc, nc sta e, maryland, uva, vpi, dook, wake, unc, and TECH to all step it up.
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WindyCityJacket said:
The Big 12 was down, and then Missouri and Kansas got good and people said the Big 12 was good again. Neither of them are traditional powers.
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well, Mizzou has a pretty long history with multiple big time bowl appearances (Orange, Fiesta, Sugar, Gator, Cotton, etc), including a Bluebonnet Bowl win over Georgia Tech. Look at the bowls they were in from 1924 on:

1978 Liberty Louisiana State W 20-15
1973 Sun Auburn W 34-17
1972 Fiesta Arizona State L 35-49
1969 Orange Penn State L 3-10
1968 Gator Alabama W 35-10
1965 Sugar Florida W 20-18
1962 Bluebonnet Georgia Tech W 14-10
1960 Orange Navy W 21-14
1959 Orange Georgia L 0-14
1949 Gator Maryland L 7-20
1948 Gator Clemson L 23-24
1945 Cotton Texas L 27-40
1941 Sugar Fordham L 0-2
1939 Orange Georgia Tech L 7-21
1924 LA Christmas Festival Southern Cal L 7-20



they started playing in 1890 or something. so, they kind of are a traditional football power
 
ContactBuzz said:
The problem isn't that F$U and Miami have fallen off. The problem is noone has replaced them at the top. The ACC has been terrible over the last 3-4 years in bowl games, especially the high profile ones.
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Exactly. It doesn't matter who does it (winning), just as long as someone is doing it.
 
They probably say FSU and Miami need to get better again because they're the last teams that consistently won BCS bowl appearances.
 
Because overall perception -sometimes uninformed and inaccurate perception- leads most non-ACC following college football fans, sports commentators and sports media in general to believe that, based upon past accomplishments and name recognition, FSU and Miami are still potentially the two best football programs in the conference.

It doesn't matter that Virginia Tech has joined the conference, that Wake Forest has built a fairly solid program over the past couple of years, or that GT has the leadership (AD and HC) in place to build a program that will challenge for years to come in the conference, or that UNC may be on the rise, that Clemson again has great talent, but can't seem to accomplish anything with it.

There is a reason that the two teams from the state of Florida are in seperate divisions --perception that year in and year out the two would battle for the ACC title.

It will take one or two teams winning consistently over two, three, maybe more seasons before the rest of the country will wake up and take notice. Clemson has had the opportunity to do something, but evidently TB will never be able to do anything with the supposed talent he brings in each season. Wake Forest has a chance to continue to build upon their public perception, being ranked #18 and playing @#24 FSU. A win here should move them into the top 15 (maybe, as the only team ranked ahead of them right now with a loss is Ohio State). GT and UNC both have an opportunity this year to have solid seasons that can be built upon in the coming years.

One or two programs are going to have to show that there is room at the top and that they will be hanging around the top for a while.
 
I'll venture a guess. If you were to go around the country and ask people which teams in the ACC were the best, you'd get responses that varied between FSU and Miami. The ACC lacks a team that is perennially dominant. It is easier for people to believe that Miami or FSU will "break out of their slump" then it is to believe that NC State or UVA will suddenly rattle off 5 years of top 5 finishes. Major sports media outlets do nothing but parrot the insane and inane views of the public, and there's a belief that a conference is only good if there's a bully on top beating the snot out of all the little brats on the bottom. The PAC 10 is a perfect example of this. Plus, people still think in terms of teams from ten years ago. Take Georgia Tech and FSU this year, swap the games and results. Are we ranked in the top 25 right now?

The real travesty of the conference argument and coverage is not that ACC is bad. It is. The real blatant stupidity is that nobody is calling out the Big 10 +1 or the Big East. The Big 10 is horrible. From top to bottom, it is severly overrated by a media that values teams accomplishments from a decade ago.

Personally, I think it's that sports writers and radio need something to pick on. The ACC is down and it's an easy target. It's a basketball conference. You can make wild speculation about the ACC being dropped from the BCS because you won't have to fear the backlash of moronic fans who can't see that more then likely their own conference isn't too far removed from the ACC. Conference superiority is a convinient way for fans to dismiss their team's abysmal performance. Look at the SEC. Half of those waterheads believe that they have a better team simply because Florida or Georgia or LSU uses them as a urinal one Saturday a year.
 
Allen Koholic said:
The real travesty of the conference argument and coverage is not that ACC is bad. It is. The real blatant stupidity is that nobody is calling out the Big 10 +1 or the Big East. The Big 10 is horrible. From top to bottom, it is severly overrated by a media that values teams accomplishments from a decade ago.
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Michigan beat Florida in the Capital One bowl last year. It doesn't offset tOSU's loss but it's still a high profile win against one of the "big boys". That's what the ACC needs to happen for the perception to start changing.
 
ContactBuzz said:
Michigan beat Florida in the Capital One bowl last year. It doesn't offset tOSU's loss but it's still a high profile win against one of the "big boys". That's what the ACC needs to happen for the perception to start changing.
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I think the real problem is that schools like Michigan are still considered top tier. Michigan, with a brand new coach installing a brand new system with brand new players was ranked #24. Michigan, who lost last years opener to an 1-AA school. Nevermind the fact that we all knew they'd be terrible. Notre Dame, despite winning a staggering 3 games last year and an epic come from behind victory over the powerhouse of San Diego State, received votes this week in both polls. FSU, who's extenisve resume this year includes beating (and I had to look this up twice because I forgot) West Carolina and Chatanooga, is currently ranked as the #24 best team in the country. Ohio State is currently ranked ahead of East Carolina. I'd actually put money on East Carolina to win that game.

My point is that the stupid sports writers vote for teams based on the jersey, not on the scoreboard. As much as I would like to believe that us or Wake or UNC spending a few years in the top 10 would change the national perception of ACC, it won't. Because to the idiots that cover sports in this country, ACC football is Miami and Free Shoes. Everyone else is fodder.
 
[/quote]My point is that the stupid sports writers vote for teams based on the jersey, not on the scoreboard. As much as I would like to believe that us or Wake or UNC spending a few years in the top 10 would change the national perception of ACC, it won't. Because to the idiots that cover sports in this country, ACC football is Miami and Free Shoes. Everyone else is fodder.[/quote]

I agree with this, and this is the frustrating part. I guess like I said GT is going to have to makes these dumb Florida morons :bowdown: for a couple of years while we win BCS bowls. I still think it is crap to make the generalization that it HAS TO BE Miami or FSU to make the ACC good, like some other posters said...what school does it matter, who cares if it's Yellow Jacket, Chokie, Criminole, or "U"rinal.... as long as someone is winning.

If we beat FSU, Miami, and the rest of the ACC this year, and beat UGA and MSU, well that is to say go undefeated the rest of the season, I still don't know if we get the respect.... Oh well...

EARN IT BOYS!!!!!
 
Allen Koholic said:
The real blatant stupidity is that nobody is calling out the Big 10 +1 or the Big East. The Big 10 is horrible.
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FWIW, people are generally saying the Big East is worse than the ACC now:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/notebook?page=notebook/onthemark0915

But I don't see the love for the Big1T1en. I think they may be worse this year than the ACC and Big East.

And I know you can't throw them out, but w/o USC, the Pac 10 in pretty awful this year. Oregon may be good...
 
WindyCityJacket said:
But I don't see the love for the Big1T1en. I think they may be worse this year than the ACC and Big East.

And I know you can't throw them out, but w/o USC, the Pac 10 in pretty awful this year. Oregon may be good...
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here is a curious aside regarding ACC v BigTeleven
http://www.davesez.com/archives/000947.php
i posted this in another thread somewhere on this board

regarding the PAC-10, i think that one thing that makes the conference difficult is the travel schedule. its not like going from Athens to Gainsville and Auburn and South Carolina; or from Atlanta to Boston or Clemson or Miami.

think about going up to Oregon State from Arizona State or something. its like us going to Blacksburgh every game. its REALLY tough to win on the road in that conference
 
If we beat Georgie and win our conference most years, FSU and Miami sure as hell won't matter.
 
WindyCityJacket said:
And I know you can't throw them out, but w/o USC, the Pac 10 in pretty awful this year. Oregon may be good...
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I don't know if the Pac-10 gets the same type of media shaft the ACC does. I do know that there's a definite east coast bias in coverage. But I really don't care about the Pac-10. I don't stay up and watch their games. I don't check on conference standings. Maybe I'm part of the problem, who knows. Is the Pac-10 bad without the USC? Maybe. But I'd bet good money that if USC ever gets busted by the NCAA for their violations, and someone else in that conference steps in to fill the void, like Oregon, then people would say the Pac-10 is down.

I think people need to have these preconceived notions of good and bad in sports, because it allows them to know absolutely nothing about what's going on, and still insert themselves into a debate, no matter how uninformed and idiotic they are. They are not capable of dealing with a strong ACC with Tech or Wake or UNC on top. The ACC is Free Shoes and Miami and VPISU to them. Sadly I think that most people in this country know that VPISU is in the ACC because of that nutjob last year and how they saw a bunch of Hokies rally around their team to find strength. It's the same reason that schools like Notre Dame and Michigan get votes. And Ohio State.

I'm rambling...
 
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