Will the sleeping giant now awake ?

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Miami fired Nix as we all suspected they would. They hired one of the very best DC's a year ago (They were extremely young on defense and will be a lot better) Now. if they get a good OC they may be back, very soon, good for the ACC with Fsu and Miami getting back. I would like to see that along with us. the ACC may finally get those 2 or 3 teams that are top 5 or top 10 like the Sec and Big 12 does. I think this happens in 2009 and for sure by 2010.
 
The sleeping giant has already awoken . . .

. . . and it's name is Georgia Tech. Just ask Miami or georgie!

Go Jackets!
 
While Nix certainly wasn't the one to bring them back to the promised land at OC...I've seen nothing from Shannon that says he is the HC to do it either.

He continues to unimpress me more every time I see his teams play.

GT, UNC, VT, and FSU all have a better shot at being the ACC's perrenial top 10s IMHO.
 
TechinItEasy said:
While Nix certainly wasn't the one to bring them back to the promised land at OC...I've seen nothing from Shannon that says he is the HC to do it either.

He continues to unimpress me more every time I see his teams play.

GT, UNC, VT, and FSU all have a better shot at being the ACC's perrenial top 10s IMHO.
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I disagree. I think Shannon is building a good base for success later. The only thing surprising to me about Miami is that they can not stop the run. But they are very young and with a real OC I think there swagger will return.
 
midatlantech said:
I disagree. I think Shannon is building a good base for success later. The only thing surprising to me about Miami is that they can not stop the run. But they are very young and with a real OC I think there swagger will return.
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Doesn't help when your HC's gameplan to stop something like our offense is to tackle high and pray for turnovers.
 
The Jacket said:
Doesn't help when your HC's gameplan to stop something like our offense is to tackle high and pray for turnovers.
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Or not knowing how to make a "T" symbol with your hands.

While I respect your right to an opinion, midatlanta, I humbly disagree.

If you remove our game vs Miami, they are 28th in the country vs the Run, not bad.(for the record we knocked them all the way down to 78th...nice)

And "talent" has never been the issue at Miami, as most of their fans love to throw around their "lack of talent under coker" as a reason to their failure...even though their average class has still been top 10 for the last 6 years. They're working with more talent than the vast, vast majority of D1 teams, but if you can't coach your high school players to play at a college level then you will never have success.
 
Randy Shannon isn't a very good coach. They'll average 6 or 7 wins until he gets canned, and I doubt they will ever get more than 9 wins.
 
TechinItEasy said:
Or not knowing how to make a "T" symbol with your hands.

While I respect your right to an opinion, midatlanta, I humbly disagree.

If you remove our game vs Miami, they are 28th in the country vs the Run, not bad.(for the record we knocked them all the way down to 78th...nice)

And "talent" has never been the issue at Miami, as most of their fans love to throw around their "lack of talent under coker" as a reason to their failure...even though their average class has still been top 10 for the last 6 years. They're working with more talent than the vast, vast majority of D1 teams, but if you can't coach your high school players to play at a college level then you will never have success.
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As far as I'm concerned Miami can stay right where they are for a long time.

Regarding defensive rushing, Miami couldn't stop the run against California either. They are not a stout run stopping defense and considering their history, that surprises me.

Regarding Shannon, it's too early to tell if Shannon is any good or not. IMO, he is taking the right steps to build a long term base for their program. He's reestablished himself into the key Miami recruiting areas, but he's also taken action against the thugs in his program.

Miami is a very young team right now and certainly has lost their swagger. As I've said a hundred times regarding Chan here, in college, emotions plays a big part of the game. With a more potent offense, a few key athletic big plays, etc. Miami COULD be back by next year. It doesn't guarantee that they will be, but COULD be.

Also, talent is nice, but it is important to get the right talent. Chan did a remarkable job getting Tech the right talent. I don't know enough about Shannon and Miami's recruiting, but give him a couple of years to recruit and develop his own talent.

Until proven differently early next year, I see Miami as being our fourth toughest opponent next year behind UGA, VPI, and FSU. They still matter.

p.s. what is the T reference?
p.p.s. Shannon looked like he could kill Nix at the end of their bowl game.
 
Randy Shannon has not done anything the past 2 years to convince me that he can HC. Being a disciplinarian and great recruiter doesn't win games, it just gives you a better chance to win games. I don't think he has the coaching intangibles that the good ones have....
-Game planning strengths/weakness and oppononets strengths/weaknesses
-In game adjustments
-Sideline Fire/Intensity
-Performance Accountability
 
I have been on the fence about Shannon, but you have to call his judgment into question when he hired Patrick Nix in the first place. Firing Nix makes me sad though, since I loved playing against his offenses.
 
Allen Koholic said:
I have been on the fence about Shannon, but you have to call his judgment into question when he hired Patrick Nix in the first place. Firing Nix makes me sad though, since I loved playing against his offenses.
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In two years, you can not statistically determine if he is a good or bad coach based on a few sole issues like Nix. If I remember correctly, Miami was broke at the time and we all wondered if they picked Nix as a cheap alternate. Nobody knows, but without enough data points, Shannon's ability is still unknown.

Personally, I think the "bully" Miami was hanging on through the Coker years and at the end got bullied by a couple of other teams (Tech being one). Since their team was built on cards (athleticism) it all came tumbling down. That's why I think Shannon has done a good job building a firmer base first; it had to be done.

Shannon was a good defensive coach; he's still a very young inexperienced head coach.
 
gsu_paintballer said:
Timeout? Referring to horrible clock management in the Emerald Bowl.

Just a guess.
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You got it.

IMO clock management is a requirement to be a good/top tier coach that RS simply does not have. Not saying he can't learn it...but damn you're the head coach of a D1 football program, how did you get there without knowing how to run a 2-minute drill?
 
yea in the bowl there was 41 secs left and Nix should have called timeout and instead let it run down to 12 secs.

I think the HEAD COACH should have called the timeout, but who knows.

I do think that Miami is busting at the seems with talent and will always have the potential to be a top tier program and that is evidenced by the fact you have had Erickson, Johnson, Davis, Snellenburger, and the other old guy all won Nat Championships in the last 30 years there.
 
Allen Koholic said:
Firing Nix makes me sad though, since I loved playing against his offenses.
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I read a post-firing statement from Nix. He said he and Shannon had a difference in offensive philosophy and he would have liked to run more 'no huddle' and 'spread' schemes.

Is this just sour grapes? Is he already telegraphing his desires for a potential new gig?
 
PJ_RULZ said:
I read a post-firing statement from Nix. He said he and Shannon had a difference in offensive philosophy and he would have liked to run more 'no huddle' and 'spread' schemes.
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I have a very hard time believing that Patrick Nix actually knows the correct definition of either of those terms.
 
Allen Koholic said:
I have a very hard time believing that Patrick Nix actually knows the correct definition of either of those terms.
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since he played in those schemes and went 11-0, i think that
a) he probably knows them pretty well, and nothing but those
b) its what he has always wanted to run, which is why i thought he mind go to AU LAST year since they were looking for a "spread" guy then
 
The verdict on Shannon being a good coach or not is not yet in, but it is close. Last year when he hired Nix, I thought his ability to recognize and hire good assistants was obviously poor.

That said, Nix could have put one hell of a spin job on himself and sold himself. Not unheard of.

I give Shannon credit for recognizing after only one season that Nix is in way over his head.

This offseason and next year in my opinion will dictate whether or not Shannon is a good coach.
 
midatlantech said:
I disagree. I think Shannon is building a good base for success later. The only thing surprising to me about Miami is that they can not stop the run. But they are very young and with a real OC I think there SWAGGER!!!! will return.
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midatlantech said:
p.s. what is the T reference?
p.p.s. Shannon looked like he could kill Nix at the end of their bowl game.
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he should have wanted to kill him. the clock management at the end of the first half and end of the game was UNACCEPTABLE. and the blame for this is poor coaching. although in the end it's his responsiblility as much as nix.
 
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