Worst hire

I don't know. I would have to say BL because he was bad at everything.

Dave Braine had communication issues in a big way, but he also did well at strengthening our "second tier" sports...particularly women's sports.

We also had a lot of facility improvements during his time.

An average AD at best. BL a poor HC.
 
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Dave Braine. Easy, because he is higher up on the ladder of influence and responsibity.

[/ QUOTE ]At least DB has done some good things for GT - overall state of athletics (and revenue) are better today than they were when he took over.

There's no reason to kill DB now.
 
Y'all would have to prove to me that Braine was resposible for facility improvements....the '96 Olympics had alot to do with that as well as George O'Leary's insistence of the need for stadium expansion. In my opinion Braine happen to come along as athlectic director when the need to get the facility improvements would have been impossible to deny or stop from occuring. There really is no need to recount the damage through incompetence that Braine has done to the football program in various ways. BarrelORum would do a much better job anyway.
 
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BarrelORum would do a much better job anyway.

[/ QUOTE ] Yeah, when's that thesis coming out anyway?
 
The financial condition of the GTAA is far worse than when Braine was hired, and he may be gone, but the problems are not. Braine knew how to spend money, but he spent the money that Homer raised. Spending money on facilities is not a positive when you do not raise the money to pay for them.

Lewis was a very bad problem, but very short term and very fixable. Dave Braine will haunt us for years.
 
Dave Braine is like our Richard Nixon.

There are people to this day who will tell you Nixon was not that bad of a president because he went to China or he got us out of Vietnam or some other thing, NEVER MIND that he disgraced our country and its highest office like no man before or since.

I don't care what Braine did or didn't do for minor sports or facilities, he got us on probation for the first time ever, and in FOOTBALL, no less.

Lewis wasn't all bad, either - he recruited some great players who excelled under the O'Leary regime.
 
Easy one here

Da Braine was the most damaging employee of Ga Tech in the history of the school. While Lewis may have caused us to lose, under Braine's watch we took on the blame for cheating.
 
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....that it could also be laid (partially) at the feet of Homer, Dean and even Coach Dodd. After all, the idea of putting academic certification of our SA's solely in the hands of the registrar wasn't a Braine idea. Based on everything I've heard, Frank had been handling it without oversight since his hire in '68.....and simply hadn't felt it necessary to attend all the NCAA-offered complaince training he really should have received.

On the other hand, the initial review of SA records (which was inadequate, to say the least....and which DID occur on Dave's watch) once the problem was first recognized certainly made the penalties tougher, imo.
 
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When are some of you guys going to admit that George O'Leary is the guy that intimidated and bullyed his way past all these people so that GT could get in trouble?

GO is exactly the opposite of what he expects from his players. Call it what it is. Braine's biggest fault was allowing himself to be intimidated and coerced by a guy like GO.

GO is the reason we are on probation. Period. It all stems from problems he caused. The fact that he won while doing so makes a lot of people turn a blind eye to the facts while laying blame at others who can't win the same way now that GT operates under a different set of rules.

The O'Leary years were fun, but they came at quite a cost.
 
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Proof or is this just your hypothesis?
 
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TFowl, how can you lay this at the feet of GOL? Let me first say I was no big fan of GOL. How in the world did he influence the other sports? I believe there were 2/3 sports that used ineligible players. Maybe GOL went to them and said want to build your team use ineligible players. Get real GOL probably had as little to do with the problem as CCG did. Lay it at the feet of the real culprit DaBraineless one for not following the people who worked for him properly.
 
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I'm not convinced the probation was primarily Braine's fault. There was clearly a failure on the part of those who advised athletes and made the initial calculations on progress towards their degree. I would assume they worked for the head of our academic advising group, either C Moore or whoever she replaced. Not sure how long that person was in place. Whoever they were the Registrar's office has the responsibility for certifying athletes' eligibility, not the athletic department. Even if Braine's dept wasn't doing their jobs right, the registrar is supposed to catch any issues. Finally the faculty advisor is supposed to review the entire process. So yes, Braine had some responsibility, but in my opinion Roper was the real culprit and our FA was asleep at the wheel as well.
 
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There was only one athlete outside of football. GO bullied his way past every standard we ever had at GT. That's why they freaked out and reigned everything in so tight when CG got here. GO was a bull in a China Shop, and that's why most people love him.

Most football fans are very similar - they want a winning program, but they don't want to know what really goes on to make it happen.

Proof? None outside of common sense. Joe Hamilton spent 5 years as an athlete at GT and never took calculus? Could you imagine anyone else doing this? As into everyone's business GO was, I can promise this was no oversight.

I've seen two kids on the boards talking about Joe Ham taking calculus with them. I guess they could be lying. I guess JH may have taken the class and failed and left then came back and took it again. (no sarcasm btw)

This is a prime example. A guy like Joe Ham did not slip through the cracks. He was reviewed by someone and allowed to slip by someone. Like GO who was in everyone's business.

Maybe a lot of people can take the management curriculum and not take calculus in 5 years - - I did not go to GT so I certainly might not understand, but it seems like something GO would know about. If he did know, then you can lay that one at his feet, and if that one, then pretty much any other.

I do not even know Joe is one of the guys - I just think he likely is if all this makes sense.

There's more, but I'm not going to name drop and call otehr people out. I'll just say that GO is an out and out scum bag. He consistently expects things out of his kids that he does not expectr out of himself. That's enough to tell me plenty about his character.

If I know that much, I can also guess he had a TON to do with what led to flunkgate, and also the NCAA fiasco. He was too much of a micromanager not to. He knew EVERYTHING that went on in his program - period.

Saying GO didn't know what was going on with our (now) NCAA troubles, is like saying Ray Lewis didn't know what happend that night in Buckhead.

They may not have done it - but they sure covered it up and let it happen.

And Please - no crazy outbursts about the type of each wrongdoing. The level of wrongness is not the example - only the involvement.
 
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Post like this are PATHETIC.

Please explain what exactly O'Leary did and how he did it. If the football coach is in charge of not only academic advisement but also certifying players transcripts them we sure got off light on the probabtion cause that is as extreme case of 'lack of institutional control' as I've ever heard of.


GOL was the arguably the best coach we've had since Dodd, and it's embarrasing to me that Tech fans feel the need to continually bash him because he left for his dream job...

and I guess you know that some of this happened AFTER GOL left, right? I guess Gailey (and the swimming coach) continued the intimidation.
 
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Your right gold. Good old George would never do anything wrong. He never would have told a kid to take an elective rather than what was required to move toward his degree.
 
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As I previously stated I was no big fan of GOL and I found him to be crude. But Did GOL come back and bully CCG? After all some of the problem happened after CCG got here and continued into CCG's stay here. I think to lay every problem Tech at GOL's feet is wrong and not correct. So if we can lay this at GOL's feet we can lay the problems that happened after GOL left at CCG's feet. No some may be GOL's fault but not all.
 
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If our problems are to be blamed on O'Leary, then we suffer from what is called "lack of institutional control". The head football coach must encourage class and study hall attendance and satisfactory academic performance. But, he is hired to primarily coach football, which George did pretty well.

There must be in the Athletic Department the staff in place to insure academic compliance and correctly advise student athletes. This is where the failure occurred. And, saying they allowed themselves to be bullied by O'Leary is no excuse. Braine and the academic support staff and the hill are to blame for the probation fiasco. They are supposed to work together cooperatively for the student athletes in keeping with the rules. They did not do their job.
 
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There is really two people to blame with this and neither of them our coaches. Anytime I hear someone say that O'Leary was at fault or Chan was at Fault, it tells me that the poster has no idea what he's talking about.

The major person at fault was Roper who flat out did NOT do his job as he did not attend meetings the NCAA put on to educate schools on new compliance rules because his attitude was "You can't teach an old dog new tricks".

After that you had Braine who allowed this guy not to do his job because he had no system of evaluation in place, nor was he monitoring the actions of his employees.

It ends there. With those two people. Anyone who mentions a coach flat out doesn't know what he's talking about.
 
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