Worst hire

Re: to be totally honest, you\'d have to say.....

apparently, the lack of oversight by the GTAA on what Frank was (and wasn't) doing goes back to well before Braine's arrival.....probably even before Homer's. The FAR (Nemhauser) also was already in place when Dave was brought in.

What he/they FAILED to do was catch the problem.
 
Re: to be totally honest, you\'d have to say.....

The most effective form of debate is to attack the issue - not the person you are debating with.

That's fine if you think I don't know what I'm talking about. What really has ever been accomplished on an internet board? Pretty much nothing.

I never know if I'm arguing with Homer Rice or a 14 year old girl. It's kind of silly when you think about that.

I used to only read these boards and never post - then I really got sucked in and started responding. I wish I hadn't.

It's frustrating when you actually do know - and someone attacks you personally because they don't. It's all a waste of time.

I'll try to post less and leave these very important debates to the rest of you. If you can already coach better than a guy that took Kordell Stweart to a Superbowl, you certainly know more than I do.
 
not sure if that\'s a reply to me, but.........

....I never said O'Leary (and, maybe even to a bigger extent, some of the support staff he had.....won't mention any names) didn't have a big piece of culpability in this issue. It's a fact that the primary cause of "flunkgate" was improper class scheduling to avoid tougher major/core courses in order to keep GPA's up. You'd have a hard (read: damn-near-impossible) time convincing me that O'L was unaware of this. He knew flunkgate was coming......whether he was stil here or not.
 
Re: not sure if that\'s a reply to me, but.........

Of course we play the eligibility scheduling game...and this practice pre-dates O'Leary as well. I am sure O'Leary knew this was going on as did every other coach before him. Heck regular students play the scheduling game to keep Hope scholarships and keep from flunking out.

The problem is that the eligibility game rules changed and we did not.

I am sure some football coaches would prefer that players not take any classes or exclusively electives. That is why you have compliance officers and academic advisors.
 
Re: not sure if that\'s a reply to me, but.........

Maybe my experience is too dated to be valid, but the coaches really had very little to do with the academics when I was a starting, scholarship, GT SA (and team captain)from 1984-87. My coaches knew nothing of what I took (as far as classes) nor my progression.

Neither did Cremins, Curry, Ross, Morris, Blackmon, etc...

Heck, for that matter neither did Roper, Slayden, or Carol Moore. I think I had three academic meetings in four years with an AA person. I can guarantee you that none looked at my academic progression or even asked about it. The meetings were 15 minutes long and I can't even remember what they were about.

I never met Roper one time in my life.

The only thing I remember fromt those three meetings was one with Carol Moore. I remember her telling the story that she caught several girl students cheating (in the late 1960's) on college tests when they were wearing mini-skirts and wrote cheat-sheet notes on the inside of their thighs. When the male teachers would approach them they couldn't ask to see between their legs so they had to call in Carol Moore to obtain the evidence.

I would be shocked if O'Leary knew what classes his SAs were taking. He was too busy with all the other crap. That's what the academic advisors were supposed to be doing at the AA! Of course it all blew up during flunkgate...
 
Re: not sure if that\'s a reply to me, but.........

I'm not so sure that the question would be whether or not GOL knew what a player was taking or his progress. I think perhaps the question is that with the academic abilities of some of the players he signed, did he say, "Alright these six are stretches but I need them to stay eligible."
 
Re: to be totally honest, you\'d have to say.....

Don't worry about it TechFowl, I know you're right. I got the same treatment before when I tried posting factual information on here. It isn't worth it. The ones that are bashing are the ones MOST in the dark with the program. (not talking about NCJacket, BOR or Buzzfan)
IMHO, Roper might have done wrong with not keeping up with the transcripts when a player changed majors, but he isn't the one who kept the players from taking the easiest classes at GT until it was ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY for the harder classes. See Joe Hamilton and Joe Burns as examples.
Am I wrong about the transcripts? That was the story I read about them.. That they were just not filled out when a player changed majors????? Someone correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.
 
Re: to be totally honest, you\'d have to say.....

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got the same treatment before when I tried posting factual information on here.

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I guess i must of missed all of the 'factual information' in any of these 'it'as all O'Leary's fault' post. All I see are accusations that are not only in conflict with the facts of the probation case but are quite franklly, irrational.
 
Re: What About Fulcher?

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Doesn't he rate right up there with BL & Braine?

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Yooper, not quite sure where you're going here....

Having lived through the Fire Carson debacle (and he needed to be fired) up close and personal, all they were doing with Bill was trying to bring in a "Tech man," soothe the savage alumni beasts in Atlanta, and survive.

Bill's disenchantment with the Atlanta scene, the miserable facilities, and the de-emphasis on football from Joe Petit that we now know about probably did a ton of damage to Bill's desire to stay in Atlanta.

He left with a 12-10-1 record. But at least he also took his dignity with him. Little did anyone know what followed was to set GT FB and college football (how we mishandled the firing of Pepper set the tone for buyout and termination clauses in coaching contracts that exist today)

If anyone was a bad hire from that era, you have to start with Carson. Wrong guy, wrong reasons, wrong people, wrong place. He thought GT SA's were as dumb as the ones he had played with at UNC, or that he had coached at SoCarolina, and took the same curriculum. Five years later & 1971 - no clue. 25 years later - still no clue. At Smylie Gebhart's funeral in 2001, he showed a human side no one had ever seen, but still no clue.
 
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