Tuberville's wife ran a red light and now the victim died

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“The medical examiner was called in, they’re reviewing the case and we’re waiting for their findings,” attorney Bradley Pettit told the Avalanche-Journal. “We’re very confident they will find that he died as a result of the injuries from the Nov. 1 accident. He was 87 and he had a significant head injury, a broken leg, broken ribs…he just never recovered.”
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Sad. Sometimes people make honest mistakes when driving and the consequences can be grave. Such mistakes are inevitable as humans are imperfect drivers. I will reserve judgment until it is shown that Tuberville's wife purposely ran the light or was excessively speeding.
 
gtzulu said:
I will reserve judgment until it is shown that Tuberville's wife purposely ran the light or was excessively speeding.
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fyi, Waiting for information and failure to rush to judgement is very outdated. there was an accident...somebody must pay! this is an outrage.Crucify!
 
gtzulu said:
I will reserve judgment until it is shown that Tuberville's wife purposely ran the light or was excessively speeding.
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how do you "accidentally" run a red light?

Unless she has some unknown "physical" condition that prevented her from seeing the red light, and/or pushing the brake then I think we can presume she purposely ran the red light.

Unless you are saying the light was not red

also usually if a light has "just" turned red people are not walking in front of you. I wonder if the light had been red for awhile.

It is very sad.
 
gtzulu said:
I will reserve judgment until it is shown that Tuberville's wife purposely ran the light or was excessively speeding.
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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure "involuntary manslaughter" doesn't require intent, just breaking a law that leads to a death. This would/should count.
 
gtzulu said:
Sad. Sometimes people make honest mistakes when driving and the consequences can be grave. Such mistakes are inevitable as humans are imperfect drivers. I will reserve judgment until it is shown that Tuberville's wife purposely ran the light or was excessively speeding.
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I totally agree with you, last i heard there was only one perfect person, dont rush to judgement.
 
law_bee said:
how do you "accidentally" run a red light?

Unless she has some unknown "physical" condition that prevented her from seeing the red light, and/or pushing the brake then I think we can presume she purposely ran the red light.

Unless you are saying the light was not red

also usually if a light has "just" turned red people are not walking in front of you. I wonder if the light had been red for awhile.

It is very sad.
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This.

If you think running a red light is an innocent mistake then you shouldn't be allowed to drive on public roads.
 
law_bee said:
also usually if a light has "just" turned red people are not walking in front of you. I wonder if the light had been red for awhile.
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I don't know what walking has to do with it, buy 87 y/o men don't typically jackrabbit start when it turns green.

Accidentally refers to intent when it is the antonym of "on purpose". The vast majority of red light running is people 'trying to make it' after the yellow which I suppose would be "on purpose". This looks more like an incident of grotesque red light running where it occurred in the middle of the red cycle. This is very rarely done on purpose (even in a figure 8 demolition derby) because it is so dangerous. It is "accidental" perhaps better described as negligent. Usually the person simply was not paying close enough attention.
 
RamblinWreck09 said:
This.

If you think running a red light is an innocent mistake then you shouldn't be allowed to drive on public roads.
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Amen. And stop means a "full stop." Not fully stopping at a stop sign should result in a 3 month suspension of your license.

It is very sad that criminal behavior (running a red light) led to the deaths of innocent people. It is sad for both the victim, and the perpetrator, who in other areas of her life probably acted with respect towards human life.

It is a shame that our lapses in judgment, when we fail to consider the value of human life, can lead to fatalities, especially when we are operating a deadly weapon like a car. I hope the Courts give her a fair trial and reach the correct verdict, whatever it may be.
 
GTCrew said:
Accidentally refers to intent when it is the antonym of "on purpose". The vast majority of red light running is people 'trying to make it' after the yellow which I suppose would be "on purpose". This looks more like an incident of grotesque red light running where it occurred in the middle of the red cycle. This is very rarely done on purpose (even in a figure 8 demolition derby) because it is so dangerous. It is "accidental" perhaps better described as negligent. Usually the person simply was not paying close enough attention.
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This. Running a light typically means you didn't see it because you simply weren't paying enough attention to the road, either by being on a cell phone, texting while driving, etc.

A few months ago around my own neighborhood a light I was stopped at turned green. I normally make it a point to look both directions before going. Sure enough, a truck about 300 feet away showed no signs of slowing down and went right through the intersection. She wasn't trying to make the light, she flat out didn't see it. Would have hit me driver side at about 40-45 mph if I didn't look.
 
GTCrew said:
I don't know what walking has to do with it, buy 87 y/o men don't typically jackrabbit start when it turns green.

Accidentally refers to intent when it is the antonym of "on purpose". The vast majority of red light running is people 'trying to make it' after the yellow which I suppose would be "on purpose". This looks more like an incident of grotesque red light running where it occurred in the middle of the red cycle. This is very rarely done on purpose (even in a figure 8 demolition derby) because it is so dangerous. It is "accidental" perhaps better described as negligent. Usually the person simply was not paying close enough attention.
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Does it matter whether she did it on purpose or not, per the law? I didn't think there was any concern for 'intent' in involuntary manslaughter. Clearly there is with murder, but I don't think anyone's calling this a murder.
 
Josh H said:
This. Running a light typically means you didn't see it because you simply weren't paying enough attention to the road, either by being on a cell phone, texting while driving, etc.

A few months ago around my own neighborhood a light I was stopped at turned green. I normally make it a point to look both directions before going. Sure enough, a truck about 300 feet away showed no signs of slowing down and went right through the intersection. She wasn't trying to make the light, she flat out didn't see it. Would have hit me driver side at about 40-45 mph if I didn't look.
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I've picked up the habit of looking both ways too. It is amazing how many people are willing to kill other people just to talk on their cell phone instead of driving.
 
TechSBP said:
So you want to let all the criminals out of jail? There was only one perfect person.
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So i get it, save money do away with having trials, if youre charged you are guilty. I think those folks in jail had a hearing.
 
atlanta jacket said:
So i get it, save money do away with having trials, if youre charged you are guilty. I think those folks in jail had a hearing.
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So you're saying she didn't run a red light?

The only party that shouldn't "rush" to judgment are the courts and the jurors. Only they are required to presume innocence at the outset. That isn't binding on anyone else. The prosecutor bears the burden of proving beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty at trial.

Every report says she ran the red light. I have no idea whether she committed other crimes. But running red lights is a serious crime.
 
beej67 said:
Does it matter whether she did it on purpose or not, per the law? I didn't think there was any concern for 'intent' in involuntary manslaughter. Clearly there is with murder, but I don't think anyone's calling this a murder.
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You are correct. You can have "involuntary" manslaughter for being negligent and killing someone. It is a misdemeanor though.

If you're drunk, it is "voluntary" manslaughter and the criminal penalties are much steeper, as this would be a felony.
 
I would love to have some of you folks on my jury.. at least when it comes to fault.

That being said, people have lapses of concentration from time to time. They do stupid things, like run red lights, swerve into another lane, rear-end another car, etc. It doesn't mean they're stupid or shouldn't have a license. It just means they made a mistake. They should take responsibility and pay for the damages they caused, but it is a mistake.
 
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