Gruden to Tennessee

KG01 said:
Dang dude. Just give it up. Butch is your coach and he'll do an admirable job. Gruden was never coming there despite the "insiders" info or boosters' money.
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This isn't about Gruden anymore, and yes Butch is coming which is why the program can expect to lose the support it still had. If Hart and Cheek are gone maybe I'll reconsider, but till then no.
 
DeRRtyTree said:
If you think that Butch Jones was at the top of anyone's coaching search for UT you're an idiot. And when you shun the boosters that have the financial capacity to throw the bank at whoever they want, of a program that has the resources on the AD of a top five program; this argument isn't even worth making. Maybe we fall to the level of Colorado after this but that would only be because of this disaster of a coaching search we just had and we're tied to Butch Jones at the hip for the next few years who may or may not deteriorate the program further. Hart and Cheek did this search this way with no booster support, and the results of interviews wit the choices above Butch would likely have been different if the AD hasn't sought to do the search "their way". You can think that no one wants to coach here, and after Jones is done I may join your position, but at the beginning of the search it was a position more attractive than Arkansas or Auburn by even ESPN's account and we were outmaneuvered on all accounts and should be mocked for how poorly the entire thing was executed. I'm done trying to prove a point that should be common sense. If Cheek and Hart are shown the door I may consider supporting the disaster of a hire that occurred.
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Obviously, Butch Jones wasn't on the top of the list, they offered the job to 3 others who turned it down. Once that was publicly done, it probably eliminated a whole lot of other possibilities who didn't want to be the fourth choice. As I said before, they should have hired a search firm, but either way, letting boosters decide would be a mistake. They can have a voice, but the AD, who's job is on the line, has to ultimately make the decision.

I'll try this again, who could UT have hired that the additional money would have made a difference?
 
DeRRtyTree said:
If you think that Butch Jones was at the top of anyone's coaching search for UT you're an idiot. And when you shun the boosters that have the financial capacity to throw the bank at whoever they want, of a program that has the resources on the AD of a top five program; this argument isn't even worth making. Maybe we fall to the level of Colorado after this but that would only be because of this disaster of a coaching search we just had and we're tied to Butch Jones at the hip for the next few years who may or may not deteriorate the program further. Hart and Cheek did this search this way with no booster support, and the results of interviews wit the choices above Butch would likely have been different if the AD hasn't sought to do the search "their way". You can think that no one wants to coach here, and after Jones is done I may join your position, but at the beginning of the search it was a position more attractive than Arkansas or Auburn by even ESPN's account and we were outmaneuvered on all accounts and should be mocked for how poorly the entire thing was executed. I'm done trying to prove a point that should be common sense. If Cheek and Hart are shown the door I may consider supporting the disaster of a hire that occurred.
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Obviously, Butch Jones wasn't on the top of the list, they offered the job to 3 others who turned it down. Once that was publicly done, it probably eliminated a whole lot of other possibilities who didn't want to be the fourth choice. As I said before, they should have hired a search firm, but either way, letting boosters decide would be a mistake. They can have a voice, but the AD, who'se job is on the line, has to ultimately make the decision.
 
GT1992 said:
Obviously, Butch Jones wasn't on the top of the list, they offered the job to 3 others who turned it down. Once that was publicly done, it probably eliminated a whole lot of other possibilities who didn't want to be the fourth choice. As I said before, they should have hired a search firm, but either way, letting boosters decide would be a mistake. They can have a voice, but the AD, who'se job is on the line, has to ultimately make the decision.
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I think you would completely agree if you had boosters at GT that had an unlimited financial capacity you would not deny their support. The AD completely shunned the boosters in this scenario. I agree with the search firm input though. Alas, it is what it is now. If Jones does well then we got a reward out of the high risk, but it still would not have made it the right hire. The AD has no financial stake in his decision, and used academic funds which I frown upon heavily. Don't be surprised if him and or Cheek are shown the door.
 
GT1992 said:
Obviously, Butch Jones wasn't on the top of the list, they offered the job to 3 others who turned it down. Once that was publicly done, it probably eliminated a whole lot of other possibilities who didn't want to be the fourth choice. As I said before, they should have hired a search firm, but either way, letting boosters decide would be a mistake. They can have a voice, but the AD, who's job is on the line, has to ultimately make the decision.

I'll try this again, who could UT have hired that the additional money would have made a difference?
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Maybe a search committee could have figure that out. Maybe if they had chosen to used the money there they wouldn't have reached that situation in the first place?
 
DeRRtyTree said:
This isn't about Gruden anymore, and yes Butch is coming which is why the program can expect to lose the support it still had. If Hart and Cheek are gone maybe I'll reconsider, but till then no.
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Why does the money matter if the top targets say no? Boosters don't always have the best interests of the program in mind.
 
KG01 said:
Why does the money matter if the top targets say no? Boosters don't always have the best interests of the program in mind.
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You'd be surprised what more money can do. So if GT had the booster support of UT you're saying you would tell them to öööö off?
 
DeRRtyTree said:
You'd be surprised what more money can do. So if GT had the booster support of UT you're saying you would tell them to öööö off?
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If they're saying "go hire Jerry Glanville" or some other non-viable option I'd have no choice. I know that'd mean a lesser overall staff due to lack of support but the boosters need to decide how far they wanna let the program fall just out of spite.
 
DeRRtyTree said:
I think you would completely agree if you had boosters at GT that had an unlimited financial capacity you would not deny their support. The AD completely shunned the boosters in this scenario. I agree with the search firm input though. Alas, it is what it is now. If Jones does well then we got a reward out of the high risk, but it still would not have made it the right hire. The AD has no financial stake in his decision, and used academic funds which I frown upon heavily. Don't be surprised if him and or Cheek are shown the door.
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If they run the Chancellor off for allowing the AD to hire a coach, then the University of Tennessee is piece of crap school. Football should not be wagging the dog. The AD's future is tied to Jones. Could it be that the boosters are the same bunch who pushed the AD into hiring Kiffin and Dooley and they didn't want to be unduly influenced by them? These are the same people calling for the Chancellor's head because they don't agree with the football coach selected. Maybe their priorities aren't in line with the administration and, based on the firing of Fulmer and their last two hires, aren't very productive.
 
GT1992 said:
If they run the Chancellor off for allowing the AD to hire a coach, then the University of Tennessee is piece of crap school. Football should not be wagging the dog. The AD's future is tied to Jones. Could it be that the boosters are the same bunch who pushed the AD into hiring Kiffin and Dooley and they didn't want to be unduly influenced by them? These are the same people calling for the Chancellor's head because they don't agree with the football coach selected. Maybe their priorities aren't in line with the administration and, based on the firing of Fulmer and their last two hires, aren't very productive.
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The Dooley hire was out of necessity and was weeks before signing day. Kiffin had the highest paid staff in college football so yes booster support was involved, and had he not bolted I think we may have turned out all right. Regardless it's all speculation at this point. The boosters as a whole aren't idiots and I guarantee you they care more about the future of the program than someone with no true ties to Tennessee other than his hiring. I'd rather the boosters, who live and die by Tennessee football, be able to throw crazy money at who they saw fit than not.
 
DeRRtyTree said:
The Dooley hire was out of necessity and was weeks before signing day. Kiffin had the highest paid staff in college football so yes booster support was involved, and had he not bolted I think we may have turned out all right. Regardless it's all speculation at this point. The boosters as a whole aren't idiots and I guarantee you they care more about the future of the program than someone with no true ties to Tennessee other than his hiring. I'd rather the boosters, who live and die by Tennessee football, be able to throw crazy money at who they saw fit than not.
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You mean the same boosters who gave Kiffin's assistants crazy multi-year deals so that they could hang around and undermine Dooley? Don't look now, but Kiffin stepped into the plum job on the west coast and has lead USC to a spectacular bowl matchup with a 6-7 team.

The boosters might have the fervor, but they don't always make very good decisions.
 
GT1992 said:
You mean the same boosters who gave Kiffin's assistants crazy multi-year deals so that they could hang around and undermine Dooley? Don't look now, but Kiffin stepped into the plum job on the west coast and has lead USC to a spectacular bowl matchup with a 6-7 team.

The boosters might have the fervor, but they don't always make very good decisions.
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Lets just leave it at that. This thread has gone on too long. For the record I hope we beat the öööö out of Kiffin in the Sun Bowl.
 
derrty, your fantasy that Gruden would have come if UT would have just offered enough money is wrong. he was not taking that job and he didnt. get over it

you got a pretty decent coach, imo. and boosters dont run an athletic dept if you want it to stay out of trouble
 
Why was Tuberville not considered for Rocky Top. A proven SEC coach that knows how to beat Bama ?
 
GTgrad86 said:
Why was Tuberville not considered for Rocky Top. A proven SEC coach that knows how to beat Bama ?
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I wouldn't want TT, but then again he's a more familiar name than Butch Jones. And he only beat Bama when Saban was not there.
 
GTgrad86 said:
Why was Tuberville not considered for Rocky Top. A proven SEC coach that knows how to beat Bama ?
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That is below them. They would never hire a twice recycled SEC coach. The boosters would never allow it.
 
GT1992 said:
If they run the Chancellor off for allowing the AD to hire a coach, then the University of Tennessee is piece of crap school. Football should not be wagging the dog. The AD's future is tied to Jones. Could it be that the boosters are the same bunch who pushed the AD into hiring Kiffin and Dooley and they didn't want to be unduly influenced by them? These are the same people calling for the Chancellor's head because they don't agree with the football coach selected. Maybe their priorities aren't in line with the administration and, based on the firing of Fulmer and their last two hires, aren't very productive.
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1992.. You arguing with someone else again? You do realize you'd make one hell of a debate team member :lol:
 
BuzzCzar said:
just because a local newspaper prints wishful thinking and rumors doesnt mean that Gruden ever seriously considered the job, which i dont believe he ever did

but believe what you want.
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I will. But its completely irrelevant now since UT has a coach and his name isn't Gruden, or anyone spectacular for that matter.

Is this one of the longest threads on ST completely irrelevant to GT football (Other than that UT plays UGA)?
 
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