Photo of Overturned Forward Pass

that's because you have no understanding of center of mass, so to you rotations look like forward motion.

That was very clearly sideways the whole way.

And what the hell kind of evidence is one picture at the end of the play. What are we supposed to compare this against?
 
I was pretty sure it was forward during the game. Not by very much at all -- but still forward. Looked like it was released just before the yard marker and touched just after it. I was stunned that they felt there was enough evidence to reverse the call on the field.

(I'm not sure what those pictures are supposed to show though.)
 
Learn how to post the pic here if you want me to look at it. I ain't going to your little twitter link.
 
well, good that you are not an official. incidentally, that photo doesnt show more than multiple angle replays but whatever you want to believe

:bigcry:
 
andrew said:
I was pretty sure it was forward during the game. Not by very much at all -- but still forward. Looked like it was released just before the yard marker and touched just after it. I was stunned that they felt there was enough evidence to reverse the call on the field.
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Refs said it was released on a certain yard line and first touched in the air slightly backwards.

If Southern had any brains, they wouldn't have been running an option play anyway.
 
gt_white_gold said:
Horrible picture. I wouldn't conclude anything from that.
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So you're saying that there is no "inconclusive" evidence then? That's what the rule calls for. Makes no difference now, but BAD CALL to reverse the on field ruling in that instance.
 
My thoughts:

1) The play was probably a lateral. Very close either way, but it looked pretty much straight (maybe a millimeter forward) on the replay and that was from a camera angle that would cause a straight lateral to look slightly forward.

2) The play should never have been called a forward pass on the field. It was an option play - the default call for a play that close should be lateral/fumble (I think the announcers even mentioned this as well).

3) The play should not have been overturned. No way you can call that indesputable video evidence when the camera angle wasn't even in-line with the plane of motion of the ball on such a close play.

So I think poor officiating led to the correct call.
 
PJAlltheway said:
So you're saying that there is no "inconclusive" evidence then? That's what the rule calls for. Makes no difference now, but BAD CALL to reverse the on field ruling in that instance.
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Is that picture the only evidence the refs had?
 
gtrower said:
My thoughts:

1) The play was probably a lateral. Very close either way, but it looked pretty much straight (maybe a millimeter forward) on the replay and that was from a camera angle that would cause a straight lateral to look slightly forward.

2) The play should never have been called a forward pass on the field. It was an option play - the default call should be lateral/fumble (I think the announcers even mentioned this as well).

3) The play should not have been overturned. No way you can call that indesputable video evidence when the camera angle wasn't even in-line with the plane of motion of the ball on such a close play.

So I think poor officiating led to the correct call.
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I agree. The very first replay on the TV broadcast is almost perfectly parallel to the play and it looks basically straight sideways. Should have been called a fumble on the field and upheld by review.
 
PJAlltheway said:
So you're saying that there is no "inconclusive" evidence then? That's what the rule calls for. Makes no difference now, but BAD CALL to reverse the on field ruling in that instance.
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no I'm saying you're an idiot for posting one picture when the question is whether or not the ball moved forward. Something you can only tell based on two points.

The starting and the ending point.
 
No, I did not say that. I said that the picture posted on the twitter account was horrible and can't be used for proof of anything. They spent enough time on the video review to be absolutely certain about the call. They did not show any forward momentum for the ball, thus it was a lateral, thus it would be considered a fumble.

PJAlltheway said:
So you're saying that there is no "inconclusive" evidence then? That's what the rule calls for. Makes no difference now, but BAD CALL to reverse the on field ruling in that instance.
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Forget the call on the field and the review - for a guy who played an overall great game he made a horrible mistake in that situation. We'd be killing our guy on here if he'd done the same.
 
Are you really trying to prove something about the displacement of an object by posting a single photo? One would think you would need - by definition - at least two photos.
 
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