ESPN's 2015 Heisman ACC Hopefuls

beej67 said:
Dane's right, though. He would never get looked at with stats like this year, unless we started tracking YAP.
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Stats like this year, no. Leave the yards the same but let him have 20 rushing TD's instead of this year's 5 and then we're in business. 20 rushing TD's and 20 passing TD's and he'll be in the convo.
 
GTCrew4b said:
I'm pretty sure your IQ is less than 17.
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Have you agree with you, most definitely. There's no way he goes undrafted. You've got to be a fool to claim that he's not talented. It's a matter of his personality. That's what's going to cost his draft status.
 
Architorture23 said:
Stats like this year, no. Leave the yards the same but let him have 20 rushing TD's instead of this year's 5 and then we're in business. 20 rushing TD's and 20 passing TD's and he'll be in the convo.
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This is why I don't think he'll be more than a passing thought for Heisman, even with a 10+ season. If you're a run-oriented QB, you better be putting up video game numbers. 20+ TDs with similar passing numbers would start to get him noticed. Losing every goal line snap to Byerly will not get it done (which I'm okay with as long he's healthy and we're scoring).
 
Meaning, after this season, with his awful TD-INT ratio, I don't think he'll be projected early enough for him to ponder leaving early.
 
gtrower said:
This is why I don't think he'll be more than a passing thought for Heisman, even with a 10+ season. If you're a run-oriented QB, you better be putting up video game numbers. 20+ TDs with similar passing numbers would start to get him noticed. Losing every goal line snap to Byerly will not get it done (which I'm okay with as long he's healthy and we're scoring).
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It'll be tough because we do have better options at the goal line.

But notice that Byerly got fewer and fewer of those goal line chances later in the year, though. Honestly, he didn't take any goal line TD's away from JT after the Ga So game.

He didn't play at all against VT or Miami. He relieved JT in the Duke game and scored 2 TD's. He did not play against Carolina. He got mop up duty snaps against Pitt, UVA, and NCSt. And he did not play in the last 3 games of the year.
 
Architorture23 said:
It'll be tough because we do have better options at the goal line.

But notice that Byerly got fewer and fewer of those goal line chances later in the year, though. Honestly, he didn't take any goal line TD's away from JT after the Ga So game.

He didn't play at all against VT or Miami. He relieved JT in the Duke game and scored 2 TD's. He did not play against Carolina. He got mop up duty snaps against Pitt, UVA, and NCSt. And he did not play in the last 3 games of the year.
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Looking at the stats it appears you're right. Although I still seem to remember instances where Byerly subbed in at the goal line - maybe some of those were dives or pitches?

Regardless, JT is going to need a lot more rushing TDs to get in the convo. And some highlight 50+ yard TD runs (which I don't think he had one of this year...Clemson should have been one and the VT one that got called back for that BS downfield clipping call).
 
It's going to be pretty tough for JT to win the Heisman in a run-first offense as the QB. That's just the way it is. I'd put Conner first, then probably Dalvin, then Watson/Thomas.

I mean, look at Thomas's stats this year. They were good, but he still barely completed 50% of his passes. He passed for under 1600 yards, 17:5 TDs, and less than 1000 yards rushing (all this despite playing in 13 games). He had two games throwing for more than 150 (Wofford and UNC), and only four games rushing for more than 100 yards. Thomas is also losing most of his supporting cast, which will hurt his numbers to a degree.

To be fair, I disagree that Watson should be #1. That said, he came within about 100 yards passing of JT despite really playing in 5 games. It's a bit unfair to say that Watson had a good game against only UNC - he also threw for more than 260 against FSU (with a 68% completion percentage); against NC St (59%); and SCe (74%). He threw 4 TDs in those games with no picks. Also had the same amount of rushing TDs as JT. As a freshman too.

The guy I'd actually give the #1 nod to is Conner. Returning offensive (and overall?) player of the year. He had a single game under 40 rush yards; every other game was over 75 (including 6 over 150 and 3 over 200). How does a guy with 1675 yards and 24 TDs as a Soph not get the nod? Maybe Pitt as a team isn't good enough but that dude is completely legit.

Kaaya's numbers were solid (nearly 3000 yards passing, 58.6% completion), but the 25:11 TD:INT ratio isn't elite at all. He was also erratic, with only three games more than 300 yards and another three more than 250. If he lowered his INTs he'd be solid, but I'd still put him behind the others (esp w Miami at 6-6).

Dalvin I'd probably put #2. For starters, FSU will win enough games for him to actually be in the mix, which is less likely for the other teams. He also ran for over 900 yards and 8 TDs despite having only 3 games of more than 15 carries. He had really good games against Syracuse, Louisville, Miami, BC, Florida, and us.
 
Aren't we getting ahead of ourselves here? Let's try to beat Miss St. first, then talk heisman around 8/1/15!
 
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