KSU football and CPJ

jacket67 said:
I recently toured the two KSU campuses with my kids, who will soon be applying to college.

The Marietta campus (Southern Poly) seemed pretty run down, especially the landscaping and courtyard areas. My kids thought the older dormitory looked like a mental hospital, and the buildings are mostly old and unrefurbished. The engineering and computer facilities seemed first rate, so that seems to be where the money goes, but the rest of the campus is not very impressive.

By comparison, the University System has invested lots of money in the expansions of KSU for land, modern new buildings, and landscaping. The KSU freshman dorm we toured was like an Embassy Suites, with atrium coffee shop and nice architectural features. The dining facility is ranked one of the best in the country, including fresh produce from 3 KSU farms in the area. They even produce their own honey.

They obviously want to direct their spending in ways that appeal to the students they seek, and the two campuses are targeting somewhat different students. Nevertheless, the old Southern Poly campus might benefit from some of the cosmetic and modernization treatments going on in Kennesaw. Maybe the merger will help Poly getting the upgrades they deserve.
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So KSU spends money on happy fun time, SPSU spent money on drudgery and math and learning. I went to SPSU. It was like prison. I figured that is how it was supposed to be. Some of my classes in the mechanical building (like Terrmodynamics) were like being in the gulag. We suffered and we liked it. We had the ever so dangerous bathtub race to place us in peril every spring during race practice as you tried to get to class with a 175cc tub flying past you at 70 MPH (other than that öööö shitty electric tub that would run slowly for a bit and die). I drove a tub from the mid 1970's. It would fly.

FWIW, I enrolled a few short years after the break from GT managing the place. The reason then was to give SPSU, or Southern College of Technology then, its own identity. It was a celebrated move at the time.
 
I actually do think KSU can make this work. I give them a much better shot at pulling this off than GSU. Plus, they can learn what not to do from GSU. If GSU did it, just do the opposite and you should be pretty good.
 
05GTCorndog said:
I actually do think KSU can make this work. I give them a much better shot at pulling this off than GSU. Plus, they can learn what not to do from GSU. If GSU did it, just do the opposite and you should be pretty good.
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It is a terrible waste of money.
 
JJacket said:
So KSU spends money on happy fun time, SPSU spent money on drudgery and math and learning.
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This is true, but the college marketplace has changed, and some schools are going out of business or getting absorbed. The university presidents that understand the dynamics of declining enrollments and cost containment will be able to survive by making the campus a place that looks fun to prospective students. Even within the state system, the colleges that show increases in applications and rising SAT scores will get their projects approved. KSU seems to be ahead of the curve, while Southern Poly was stuck in a 70s mentality of prioritizing academic fundamentals.
 
Seems to me like the naysayers feel threatened by KSU starting a football program. Why? KSU or even Georgia Southern are no threat to GT unless they somehow get an invite from a Power 5 conference, which ain't gonna happen.

Georgia produces an obscene amount of talent, I think they will be successful on the FCS level.

Georgia State is not a good comparison for anything. I went there for graduate school. No campus, no student life. KSU will do much better.
 
Absolutely agree KSU will be successful on their level. This from a former student. Hooty Hoo!
 
goldmember said:
Seems to me like the naysayers feel threatened by KSU starting a football program. Why? KSU or even Georgia Southern are no threat to GT unless they somehow get an invite from a Power 5 conference, which ain't gonna happen.

Georgia produces an obscene amount of talent, I think they will be successful on the FCS level.

Georgia State is not a good comparison for anything. I went there for graduate school. No campus, no student life. KSU will do much better.
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Why would we be threatened? What I see is a school that is entering into a money losing proposition that will eventually be passed off on the students. I have the same problem with some programs at Georgia Tech. Very few FCS schools make money in football. Very few athletic departments do more than break even. I'm against using academic money to fund sports. At GT, we are fortunate to be in the ACC where we have a large TV contract and a fund that is a large part of the income for our athletic department that has broken even for quite some time.

I'd like to see the athletic department books after year 1 and we can settle it. Georgia Tech has it on the website, sadly, I can't find KSU's. How is there basketball attendance going?
 
GT1992 said:
Why would we be threatened? What I see is a school that is entering into a money losing proposition that will eventually be passed off on the students. I have the same problem with some programs at Georgia Tech. Very few FCS schools make money in football. Very few athletic departments do more than break even. I'm against using academic money to fund sports. At GT, we are fortunate to be in the ACC where we have a large TV contract and a fund that is a large part of the income for our athletic department that has broken even for quite some time.

I'd like to see the athletic department books after year 1 and we can settle it. Georgia Tech has it on the website, sadly, I can't find KSU's. How is there basketball attendance going?
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It is why most SPSU students that I know of are not thrilled about the merger. Higher student tuition fees for a sport that most of them couldn't care less about. My lab partners when I was at SPSU were a Korean girl (sorry, no pics), a Nigerian guy, and a Saudi guy. There is a fairly sizable enrollment that just doesn't care.
 
JJacket said:
It is why most SPSU students that I know of are not thrilled about the merger. Higher student tuition fees for a sport that most of them couldn't care less about. My lab partners when I was at SPSU were a Korean girl (sorry, no pics), a Nigerian guy, and a Saudi guy. There is a fairly sizable enrollment that just doesn't care.
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It's still largely a commuter/safety school.
 
GT1992 said:
It's still largely a commuter/safety school.
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Not as much as KSU and not as much as you think. One of my friends had a lab partner that was from Columbia. I was also partners in Chem lab with a student from Costa Rica.

And I get it. Safety school. You little dig at my intellect. Touche douchebag
 
JJacket said:
Not as much as KSU and not as much as you think. One of my friends had a lab partner that was from Columbia. I was also partners in Chem lab with a student from Costa Rica.

And I get it. Safety school. You little dig at my intellect. Touche douchebag
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Actually I meant KSU in general. I knew several guys who ended up at Southern Tech. Most started out at Georgia Tech and drank their way north a few miles.
 
GT1992 said:
Actually I meant KSU in general. I knew several guys who ended up at Southern Tech. Most started out at Georgia Tech and drank their way north a few miles.
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I am actually old enough to remember when KSU was a tiny little school on the side of the interstate - very similar to passing by Dalton State College. It is impressive how they went the path of growing the school and majors. Just looked it up. In 1980, enrollment at KSU was right around 4,000. Enrollment nowadays is around 32,000 - and I don't know if that number includes the 6,000 from SPSU
 
JJacket said:
I am actually old enough to remember when KSU was a tiny little school on the side of the interstate - very similar to passing by Dalton State College. It is impressive how they went the path of growing the school and majors. Just looked it up. In 1980, enrollment at KSU was right around 4,000. Enrollment nowadays is around 32,000 - and I don't know if that number includes the 6,000 from SPSU
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Georgia Tech's grown immensely since I started there in 86. I'm not worried about kids getting meaningful degrees, but liberal arts schools tend to have a lot of fluff that leads to a job at the Gap for the 41% who actually graduate.
 
eneq said:
Our Greek Life is bigger than ever
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Correct me if I'm wrong but KSU still doesn't allow fraternities to actually spend the night in their own frat house. Right or wrong?

If so, then Greek life will never take off like it does at other schools until they actually let people live in the actual frat house.
 
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