What does CPJ have to do to keep his job?

Keep his job? Maintain a .500 FBS record.

He was .500 from 2010 to 2013. Despite his 2014 record, he was .500 for 2014-2015. GT fans can therefore deduce that he is .500 vs FBS over the last five years.

Mediocrity is acceptable to the GT administration and to most GT fans. Mediocre record, mediocre bowl, occasional UGa win, and you are coach for life at today's GT.

When your program falls behind Duke, and most GT fans are OK with it, even big cry is not enough.
 
jacketup said:
Keep his job? Maintain a .500 FBS record.

He was .500 from 2010 to 2013. Despite his 2014 record, he was .500 for 2014-2015. GT fans can therefore deduce that he is .500 vs FBS over the last five years.

Mediocrity is acceptable to the GT administration and to most GT fans. Mediocre record, mediocre bowl, occasional UGa win, and you are coach for life at today's GT.

When your program falls behind Duke, and most GT fans are OK with it, even big cry is not enough.
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Pretty much sums it up. Good coach, but recruits just do not want anything to do with the 3O. There are coaches who could do better, but they would be gone in 5 years.
 
To actually answer the question, I would say 6-6 will definitely keep his job. Yes, one of those wins would be against Mercer. It is what it is. 4-8 or worse means very likely fired. 5-7 would be borderline.

I actually think 6-6 to 8-4, which is where we finished in most years under CPJ.

We have not "fallen behind Duke." Last year, they went 7-5 without getting FSU and Clemson from the Atlantic like we did. They lost to UNC 66-31. I couldn't imagine this message board if we did that. Then their bowl was the Pinstripe Bowl, where they beat Indiana 44-41. If we had BC and Wake from the Atlantic, and only Northwestern instead of ND and UGA in our OOC schedule, we would have probably done a bit better than 3-9.
 
floridajacket said:
We have not "fallen behind Duke." Last year, they went 7-5 without getting FSU and Clemson from the Atlantic like we did. They lost to UNC 66-31. I couldn't imagine this message board if we did that. Then their bowl was the Pinstripe Bowl, where they beat Indiana 44-41. If we had BC and Wake from the Atlantic, and only Northwestern instead of ND and UGA in our OOC schedule, we would have probably done a bit better than 3-9.
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That's a fancy way of saying they've beaten us two years in a row and their coach delights in punking our coach.
 
BackstreetBuzz said:
Pretty much sums it up. Good coach, but recruits just do not want anything to do with the 3O. There are coaches who could do better, but they would be gone in 5 years.
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With everything else being unchanged, how much better than .500 FBS do you think Saban would have been here the last several years? Do you think Henry and/or those Silverbacks UA has on their DL would or could come/last here? They wouldn't even be allowed an official visit.

CPJ pretty well nailed it when he said he told our ass't coaches they were much better recruiters at Auburn when they were there!
 
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GoldZ said:
With everything else being unchanged, how much better than .500 FBS do you think Saban would have been here the last several years? Do you think Henry and/or those Silverbacks UA has on their DL would or could come/last here? They wouldn't even be allowed an official visit.

CPJ pretty well nailed it when he said he told our ass't coaches they were much better recruiters at Auburn when they were there!
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Saban would be a bad fit at GT, he us an out physical you type of coach. If GT ran Baylor/ Oregon type of offense or just a pass first offense we would increase the "cool" factor dramatically and recruit much better.
 
BackstreetBuzz said:
Pretty much sums it up. Good coach, but recruits just do not want anything to do with the 3O. There are coaches who could do better, but they would be gone in 5 years.
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As we say in rural georgie "yall are on to something".
 
GoldZ said:
With everything else being unchanged, how much better than .500 FBS do you think Saban would have been here the last several years? Do you think Henry and/or those Silverbacks UA has on their DL would or could come/last here? They wouldn't even be allowed an official visit.

CPJ pretty well nailed it when he said he told our ass't coaches they were much better recruiters at Auburn when they were there!
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I'm pretty sure Saban actually went .500 in his first year. Offense and defense are very straight-forward, meant for players who will be there for three years. The mind-numbing precision makes it horrible to watch.

Saban would recruit much better than CPJ though, because he's the best recruiter in the country. Having been to Tuscaloosa, I rolled my eyes when Bama plopped down $4mm a year. It seemed like something ND would do, to return to greatness. Then he got close to the top ranked recruiting class his first year.

Bama has its bagmen, I'm sure, and unlike Ole Miss they're smart enough to get away with it. But it doesn't make sense that Bama is intrinsically more corrupt than the rest of the SEC schools. The difference is Saban, particularly landing the first few classes.
 
jacketup said:
Keep his job? Maintain a .500 FBS record.

He was .500 from 2010 to 2013. Despite his 2014 record, he was .500 for 2014-2015. GT fans can therefore deduce that he is .500 vs FBS over the last five years.

Mediocrity is acceptable to the GT administration and to most GT fans. Mediocre record, mediocre bowl, occasional UGa win, and you are coach for life at today's GT.

When your program falls behind Duke, and most GT fans are OK with it, even big cry is not enough.
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We have a better record since 2010 than Duke.
 
CPJ is safe for as long as he wants to be here. We can go winless this year and it won't matter.
 
jacketup said:
Keep his job? Maintain a .500 FBS record.

He was .500 from 2010 to 2013. Despite his 2014 record, he was .500 for 2014-2015. GT fans can therefore deduce that he is .500 vs FBS over the last five years.

Mediocrity is acceptable to the GT administration and to most GT fans. Mediocre record, mediocre bowl, occasional UGa win, and you are coach for life at today's GT.

When your program falls behind Duke, and most GT fans are OK with it, even big cry is not enough.
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Exactly. CPJ isn't going anywhere.
 
floridajacket said:
I'm pretty sure Saban actually went .500 in his first year. Offense and defense are very straight-forward, meant for players who will be there for three years. The mind-numbing precision makes it horrible to watch.

Saban would recruit much better than CPJ though, because he's the best recruiter in the country. Having been to Tuscaloosa, I rolled my eyes when Bama plopped down $4mm a year. It seemed like something ND would do, to return to greatness. Then he got close to the top ranked recruiting class his first year.

Bama has its bagmen, I'm sure, and unlike Ole Miss they're smart enough to get away with it. But it doesn't make sense that Bama is intrinsically more corrupt than the rest of the SEC schools. The difference is Saban, particularly landing the first few classes.
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You seem to think there are a lot of 1000 SAT, 4 years of math, great academic work ethic, 4 & 5 star recruits that actually wish to study very very hard. He couldn't recruit much better because he wouldn't be allowed to by the Admin, plus the aforementioned lack of buyers.
 
BackstreetBuzz said:
Saban would be a bad fit at GT, he us an out physical you type of coach. If GT ran Baylor/ Oregon type of offense or just a pass first offense we would increase the "cool" factor dramatically and recruit much better.
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And Clemson, ugag, Miami, fsu, etal, would still kill us, so what's the point?
 
GoldZ said:
You seem to think there are a lot of 1000 SAT, 4 years of math, great academic work ethic, 4 & 5 star recruits that actually wish to study very very hard. He couldn't recruit much better because he wouldn't be allowed to by the Admin, plus the aforementioned lack of buyers.
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No, I wasn't saying Saban would do as well as Bama. He wouldn't do anywhere close to as well.

The question was how Saban would do at Tech, compared to CPJ. I'm pretty sure he would recruit much better than CPJ, although not nearly as well as he does at Bama.
 
floridajacket said:
No, I wasn't saying Saban would do as well as Bama. He wouldn't do anywhere close to as well.

The question was how Saban would do at Tech, compared to CPJ. I'm pretty sure he would recruit much better than CPJ, although not nearly as well as he does at Bama.
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I understood you the first time. Here's the deal, if there are no Eskimos, then you can't sell ice to them. After 3-4 years of losing to ugag, fsu, Clemson, and Miami, which recruits will come here because of Saban that CPJ can't bring in? Will Saban do that much better with 3 star kids in his Pro style O vs others on our schedule using the same system with 4 star kids? You can only pull off the on sides kick trick so many times---even Dabo and Richt catch on eventually!
 
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RamblinWreck92 said:
CPJ is safe for as long as he wants to be here. We can go winless this year and it won't matter.
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The original question to this thread is stupid. But the above is about the only situation where CPJ would be terminated or asked to resign. If PJ won two games this year, he will still be around. If you don't believe that, you are out of touch with the realty of GT football. You may not like this offense or like the coach, but GT has married themselves to PJ for better or for worse and my guess is he will coach at GT as long as he wants to be here. My guess is Paul would rather retire in 4-5 years and once that happens, Georgia Tech is going to have to make a very difficult decision regarding the future of athletics with regards to how to we proceed in a post triple option environment. Will we keep the status quo of restricting recruiting and running offenses that help try to level the playing field, or will we return to our former ways of going after the types of kids we had in the late 80's until 2002? I would like to see us do something that allows us to recruit the level of athletes we used t be able to draw even if that means lowering our academic standards to do it. All of Bobby Cremins recruits, Bobby Ross' recruits, and George O'Leary recruits didn't devalue my GT degree or dilute it. I am a firm believer that you can have a top notch academic program and a top notch athletic program as they are not mutually exclusive. We've had it before but there are revisionists who won't ever admit that. PJ is the schools answer for meeting both without dropping our standards on recruits. Prior to PJ, if we wanted to meet both, we dropped our standards in recruiting. Once PJ is gone, I find it hard to believe that the program will want to continue the triple option offense as lets face it... no one is going to run it better than Paul Johnson.

Regardless, once PJ throws in the towel, the school is going to have to make a decision of what they want to be that is either going to allow us the hope of having a stellar program or will firmly place us in the "also ran" category.
 
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