Too soon to pull the plug on CPJ

So was 3-9 last year a "game of inches"? Nobody is calling for his head because of the close Pitt game. It's because we are 6-12 during our last 18 games.
 
00Burdell said:
I pointed out the Houston loss to make the point that the triple option offense is still viable at the highest level of competition if run correctly. There are some who consider the 3O obsolete or gimmicky.
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Windows 95 still works if you're archaic enough to use it. But for everyone else, it's obsolete.
 
MACHETE said:
So was 3-9 last year a "game of inches"? Nobody is calling for his head because of the close Pitt game. It's because we are 6-12 during our last 18 games.
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Haha.

If we got that inch, and a few more first downs, and kicked the FG for the win, or won in OT, then we'd be 7-11 in our last 18 games. And nobody'd be talking about firing the coach.
 
johncu said:
You love to cherrypick UM, VT, AND UGA. But PJ has performed extremely well against Clemson and FSU. 5-5 against Clemson and 3-2 against FSU. Show me another coach with records anywhere near that. We also beat owned UNC and Duke for years, they've just won the last 2.

You compared his performance to a major company... How many major companies would fire someone who had 4 average years, 3 fantastic ones, and 1 poor one?
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Cherry pick? Then you are cherry picking wins against nobodies. Yep very good vs FSU in total. CU - lost 3 of last 4. If you think beating BC, Elon, Kansas, Vandy, UVA, cuse, wake, state are going to help us pay the bills and increase sales, I feel you will be greatly disappointed.

More like 2 good years (2009 got waxed in OB & lost to one of ugag worst. 2014 had a ton of luck & still lost to puke / unc.). And yes, a lot of bad luck in 2015, but that is balanced off luck wise for 2014. So more like 2 good years / 1 horrible year / 5 very average.

So, yes, a vast majority of companies would not put up with this for 8 years with 9th trending down.

Everybody can not win every week, but when an ego will not let you see changes that need to be made, and some misplaced loyalty will not let you make changes to help our kids, then there is a need to question things. And demand that trends are improved upon.

But the season is not over. A big win over another lil sister from ga will mean zilch. We have to beat a couple of unc, vt, ugag on the road to show any improvement. And then our Sr. QB will be gone.

Will be fun to go ahead and get 2017 preseason QB excuses going. Going to flow like the waters over Niagra.
 
Johnson isn't going anywhere any time soon, nor should he, but some things have to change if he is going to be successful at GT moving forward. Our original Coastal/crossover opponents have gotten much better at defending his scheme, and his asks for facilities upgrades and his promise to deliver graduation rates for academic exceptions haven't translated to anything sustained on the field. He has been willing to experiment in the past, but I think it will take an honest introspection and transformation of coaching & scheme for Johnson to find offensive success down the road in the ACC. We may be all tied up with Clemson & FSU, but we have stopped making forward progress in beating either one with our offense. We have major roadblocks ahead in the Coastal, too. Foster improved VT and we took a seat behind them, but Miami is trending up, UNC is trending up, Duke is trending up, and we are struggling against Pitt. We are sitting at 6th in the Coastal the past two seasons.
 
Mike MacIntyre, HC at Colorado, is a GT alum. Colorado went from being completely dead in the water to competing for their division title this year and ranked. Your move. There are viable other options out there.

FWIW, I think PJ deserves a chance under Stansbury. But he's done so poorly the last 1.5 seasons, he may run out of time. Losing to GSU is a pink slip IMO.
 
texstinger said:
Cherry pick? Then you are cherry picking wins against nobodies. Yep very good vs FSU in total. CU - lost 3 of last 4. If you think beating BC, Elon, Kansas, Vandy, UVA, cuse, wake, state are going to help us pay the bills and increase sales, I feel you will be greatly disappointed.

More like 2 good years (2009 got waxed in OB & lost to one of ugag worst. 2014 had a ton of luck & still lost to puke / unc.). And yes, a lot of bad luck in 2015, but that is balanced off luck wise for 2014. So more like 2 good years / 1 horrible year / 5 very average.

So, yes, a vast majority of companies would not put up with this for 8 years with 9th trending down.

Everybody can not win every week, but when an ego will not let you see changes that need to be made, and some misplaced loyalty will not let you make changes to help our kids, then there is a need to question things. And demand that trends are improved upon.

But the season is not over. A big win over another lil sister from ga will mean zilch. We have to beat a couple of unc, vt, ugag on the road to show any improvement. And then our Sr. QB will be gone.

Will be fun to go ahead and get 2017 preseason QB excuses going. Going to flow like the waters over Niagra.
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I think your outlook is pretty skewed if you view 2008 as "very average" when we were predicted to be the worst team in the ACC but instead won 9 games and beat UGA. He won ACC Coach of the Year that season and you call it "very average". I'm not sure if there's any point discussing further if that's how you view things.
 
I think it is safe to say that the triple option is functional. What may bother me a bit is does it appeal to young kids that are looking to be NFL stars.
I love Coach Johnson but it could be a conversation needed. He ran the run and shoot at Hawaii with June Jones. That offense certainly would have NFL appeal.
Hawaii is a tough place to recruit as well. The run and shoot is a bit of a gimmick too. The run and shoot requires an exceptional quarterback. In the triple option one
can recruit the Justin's of the world, good college talent not NFL talent. In the Run and Shoot I need an NFL talent. Right now it appears to me that our biggest deficiency is not
the offense but the defense. We have not recruited a Derrick Morgan or a Greg Gathers or a Phillip Wheeler or a Daryl Smith in a long while. We need a game changer on defense.
 
georgia_tech_swagger said:
Mike MacIntyre, HC at Colorado, is a GT alum. Colorado went from being completely dead in the water to competing for their division title this year and ranked. Your move. There are viable other options out there.

FWIW, I think PJ deserves a chance under Stansbury. But he's done so poorly the last 1.5 seasons, he may run out of time. Losing to GSU is a pink slip IMO.
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I like the MacIntyre idea, TBH, but the results haven't been there. 14-29 so far at Colorado, 30-50 overall as HC. Will revisit this at the end of this season because presumably this is "his year" being year #4 at Colorado (they're currently 4-2)
 
georgia_tech_swagger said:
Mike MacIntyre, HC at Colorado, is a GT alum. Colorado went from being completely dead in the water to competing for their division title this year and ranked. Your move. There are viable other options out there.

FWIW, I think PJ deserves a chance under Stansbury. But he's done so poorly the last 1.5 seasons, he may run out of time. Losing to GSU is a pink slip IMO.
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So, Colorado = Georgia Tech? Man, the quality of your degree has certainly gone downhill in the past hour.
 
gth874t said:
I like the MacIntyre idea, TBH, but the results haven't been there. 14-29 so far at Colorado, 30-50 overall as HC. Will revisit this at the end of this season because presumably this is "his year" being year #4 at Colorado (they're currently 4-2)
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As I pointed out in another thread, MacIntyre's overall record is deceptive.
San Jose State was 2 and 10 in 2009 before he started as head coach in 2010. He left after an 11 and 2 2012 season that included a bowl win. They finished 24th in the country.
Colorado was 1 and 11 in 2012 before he started in 2013. He has yet to have the dramatic turn around he had at San Jose State. However, Colorado is 4 and 2 this year with road losses to Michigan and USC west.
It seems to me he has shown the potential to turn programs around.
Having said that, I think Coach Johnson will have at least one more season to turn the team around due to our financial situation and the AD turnover.
 
To me, it all boils down to one fundamental question. It's a run on but you'll just have to deal with it:

Is the GTAA under Todd going to be intelligent, well run, efficient, focused, committed to fighting against pointless Hill hurdles, committed to doing what it takes to compete with facilities, committed to uniting the fan base, committed to actually doing some *** **** worthwhile marketing around here from the apparel to the radio network to The Good Word to the A-T Fund to tailgating to gameday to online?

IF YES: The best outcome is probably for PJ to finish this year and hope he doesn't implode without JT next year and hope MacIntyre is still available to come back home after that.

IF NO: Stick with PJ. This crap show won't be getting any better. GT's fundamental problem comes from the top, and I'm tired of shuffling through bodies and paychecks at coaching positions when AD has been the culprit all along. (Here's to hoping Todd fixes that).
 
Hell yes, give him at least nine more years at $2,600,000 plus. And, build him about $50,000,000 worth of amenities so he can be competitive with Clemson et al and will be able to recruit.

If he can't recruit the players we need, he should move on.
 
Johnson has himself to blame. The head scratcher, he dismissed two defensive coordinators, but keeps coaches whose units under perform yearly. Even with the restrictions from the Hill, recruiting should have been better. I don't want to point out a class, but one was pitiful. I wonder if Paul Johnson still has the burn. Maybe he peaked in 2014. Do I have a warm fuzzy feeling about the state of the Georgia Tech football program, not at this point. Lose to Georgia Southern this Saturday and I think the wheels fall off. On the positive side, CPJ might have his best recruiting class coming in this February. I don't want to see that derailed. I think he is safe for another year, but the fan base is not going to grow much.
 
BrentwoodJacket said:
As I pointed out in another thread, MacIntyre's overall record is deceptive.
San Jose State was 2 and 10 in 2009 before he started as head coach in 2010. He left after an 11 and 2 2012 season that included a bowl win. They finished 24th in the country.
Colorado was 1 and 11 in 2012 before he started in 2013. He has yet to have the dramatic turn around he had at San Jose State. However, Colorado is 4 and 2 this year with road losses to Michigan and USC west.
It seems to me he has shown the potential to turn programs around.
Having said that, I think Coach Johnson will have at least one more season to turn the team around due to our financial situation and the AD turnover.
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Thanks for the analysis, BrentwoodJacket
 
texstinger said:
Well, the new AD "understands Tech." That means what? The last 4 ADs did not understand finances, academic restrictions, marketing, recruiting, anything?

I doubt, also, PJ has forgotten how to coach, but nine years is plenty of time. I also have often wondered where some people work where the head of a major division of the company is given this's much time and has failed this miserably against his main competition.

Firing a coach over a freaking inch? Wow, know of nobody saying anyone should be fired over this One game.

"Clemson doesn't count". Like hell. If true, Then we are the greatest team in America because um, puke, unc, vt, ugag don't count either. All that matters then is beating Tulane, Kansas (well, most of the time), Elon, mercer, Mtsu (oops). And also the OB win does not count.

Who has seriously mentioned getting Tom Herman here? If we had a chance we probably wouldn't because, by gosh, he isn't a Tech Man!

But let us not judge CPJ on one game, but do judge Tom Herman for one game.
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Great post, who thinks we are heading in a direction to turn this thing around anytime. Take off the blinders.
 
atlanta jacket said:
Great post, who thinks we are heading in a direction to turn this thing around anytime. Take off the blinders.
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I'm not going to necrobump, but if you go back to 2013 you'll see the same stuff. The sky is falling, we'll never be a good team now that Gailey's players are gone, we're mediocre at best, etc. It's all just overreacting, and 2014 unequivocally proved that. The present situation is no different. Last year was an injury-caused outlier and we've just returned to being what we've been throughout Johnson's whole tenure: a good team who wins 10/11 games with good luck and 6/7 with bad luck. So far the bad luck has outweighed the good, but that's life. I still think we end up 7-5 and bowl-bound if we beat the teams that we should and lose to the ones that are better than us. But you never know - we might get some lucky bounces.

It's never as good or as bad as it seems.
 
My issue with going full retard after the Pitt game is that if we manage to pick that ball off, or we manage to pick-up a first down and continue on down to win the game on a field-goal, then none of this stupidity starts, but the problems with the team are still the problems with team. We won a lot of coinflip games in 2014. We lost alot of those in 2015 (and then some). So far, we're 1-1 in coin flip games this year.

If Pitt ends the year with four wins, this will look bad. If Pitt ends with nine, this won't look horrid.
 
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