Great Forbes Mag Article about P5 CFB

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It seems as if money is NOT the magic bullet that many GT Fans think it is

Clemson is #1 in CFB over the last 3-4 seasons despite being only #25 on the money list

My theory is that Dabo's vision, talent recognition, passion, communication skills, marketing skills ( Dabo has an MBA from Bama), and teaching skills out manuvers a lot of the deep pocketed Programs that generate more money than Clemson does

I hope this link is correct

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2019/09/12/college-football-most-valuable-clemson-texas-am/
 
IMO it's about quantity of guys buying in, and then improving quality of the guys buying in.

Urban Meyer's "10-80-10 Principle" in Above The Line :

http://strategicdiscipline.position...-elite-team-10-80-10-principle-above-the-line

10-80-10 PRINCIPLE SUMMARY
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  • Every team or organization consists of three groups:
    • The top 10 percent: disciplined, driven, self-motivated, want to be great, and work relentlessly.
    • The 80 percent: the majority—those who do a good job and are relatively reliable.
    • The bottom 10 percent: disinterested and defiant.
  • The key to success is moving as many of the 80 percenters into the top 10 percent as you can.
  • Time is a limited resource. Stop wasting it trying to motivate the bottom 10 percent.
  • Four approaches to move the 80 percenters into the top 10 percent:
    • Mastery and belief: remind them of the quality of leadership; let them know they are being taught by masters of their craft.
    • Harness the power of the elite: everybody wants to be around the top 10 percenters. Use them to motivate the 80 percenters.
    • Ownership: the more sense of ownership you can instill in your people, the more motivated they will be to push into the top 10 percent.
    • Positive peer pressure: everybody is pushing each other to get better
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I look at Clemson as an anomaly versus the actual strong correlation between budget and athletic success. It's just like recruiting where the higher ranked 4-year average classes are strongly correlated to wins and losses. Thus, high budget is not required but you will need to be a statistical anomaly to succeed.
 
NotTomNotPhilButGCollins said:
It seems as if money is NOT the magic bullet that many GT Fans think it is

Clemson is #1 in CFB over the last 3-4 seasons despite being only #25 on the money list

My theory is that Dabo's vision, talent recognition, passion, communication skills, marketing skills ( Dabo has an MBA from Bama), and teaching skills out manuvers a lot of the deep pocketed Programs that generate more money than Clemson does

I hope this link is correct

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2019/09/12/college-football-most-valuable-clemson-texas-am/
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I think that is all correct. It also shows up on the recruiting side: Clemson doesn't usually recruit at the Bama/UGA/OSU level (looks like they might this year). They tend to average around 10: range of 6-15 (or something like that).

BUT they seem to retain more of they stars and develop those diamonds in the rough like Renfrow.

The players have fun and want to be there. Bama players are there as a business proposition and most UGA players just want to enjoy the Athens' scenery and nightlife.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
I look at Clemson as an anomaly versus the actual strong correlation between budget and athletic success. It's just like recruiting where the higher ranked 4-year average classes are strongly correlated to wins and losses. Thus, high budget is not required but you will need to be a statistical anomaly to succeed.
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Clemson roamed the CFB outskirts for 38 years until Dabo got there, many of those years Clemson FB was equal to GT FB

Think abt that, Clemson & GT were dead heat, dead even FB Programs until Dabo got there

IPTAY was around during those years where Clemson was on CFB's outskirts so instead of being an anamoly, maybe Clemson has simply built a better mousetrap

Some of the schools ahead of Clemson on that list are Iowa, Miss, Arky, S Carolina, & TAMU, those folks have never won anything of note and haven't been better than GT tbh
 
NotTomNotPhilButGCollins said:
Clemson roamed the CFB outskirts for 38 years until Dabo got there, many of those years Clemson FB was equal to GT FB

Think abt that, Clemson & GT were dead heat, dead even FB Programs until Dabo got there

IPTAY was around during those years where Clemson was on CFB's outskirts so instead of being an anamoly, maybe Clemson has simply built a better mousetrap

Some of the schools ahead of Clemson on that list are Iowa, Miss, Arky, S Carolina, & TAMU, those folks have never won anything of note and haven't been better than GT tbh
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What I am saying is money *is* everything and that is why the ACCN started so our conference teams can compete with the other conferences. It's also why every other conference TV network started. Every team you mentioned fields a roster >> GTs. It's not even close and hasnt been close for years. Iowa and TAMU have won much more consistently than GT in the past decade or two so not sure why they're on your list. Clemson is an anomaly wrt to the top 25 but even they have a monster budget compared to ours.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
What I am saying is money *is* everything and that is why the ACCN started so our conference teams can compete with the other conferences. It's also why every other conference TV network started. Every team you mentioned fields a roster >> GTs. It's not even close and hasnt been close for years. Iowa and TAMU have won much more consistently than GT in the past decade or two so not sure why they're on your list. Clemson is an anomaly wrt to the top 25 but even they have a monster budget compared to ours.
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Simply put when does GT FB do what Clemson did and build a better mousetrap and outperform our finances

Ole Miss's avg 3 yr profit is higher than Clemson's yet they haven't won more than GT has, Miss is a small population State that doesn't have enough academically qualified talent to support all the FBS teams in that State, so Ole Miss having more money than Clemson or GT for that matter won't yield a better FB Program

Money *isn't* everything
 
NotTomNotPhilButGCollins said:
Simply put when does GT FB do what Clemson did and build a better mousetrap and outperform our finances
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That's what we've been doing. We're a small athletic department with a lot of debt. We brought in CPJ to try to win with scheme rather than with players due to limited resources for recruiting, facilities, etc. and it worked pretty good for a while.

Without looking up the numbers, I'd guess that Clemson outperforming their finances looks a lot different from GT outperforming our finances because we're starting from a substantially lower point than Clemson is financially.

JRjr
 
vapspwi said:
That's what we've been doing. We're a small athletic department with a lot of debt. We brought in CPJ to try to win with scheme rather than with players due to limited resources for recruiting, facilities, etc. and it worked pretty good for a while.

Without looking up the numbers, I'd guess that Clemson outperforming their finances looks a lot different from GT outperforming our finances because we're starting from a substantially lower point than Clemson is financially.

JRjr
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More surrounding talent than anywhere in the Country except USC & Miami and we went with scheme in lieu of trying to recruit the best talent that could qualify

What's sad is that we don't have to beat out Clemson, Bama, & UGA to be a consistent 10-win Program

If we beat out Kentucky for Bud Dupree & Josh Allen, if we beat out NC State for Bradley Chubb, if we beat out Dook, UVa & UNC for a player here, a player there, all from GA HSs we avg 10 wins over the last 5-6 seasons
 
It's like Reality. Money doesn't buy you happiness but it sure does help.

But you can have $$$ and still be miserable. See "USCe Gamecocks".
 
NotTomNotPhilButGCollins said:
More surrounding talent than anywhere in the Country except USC & Miami and we went with scheme in lieu of trying to recruit the best talent that could qualify

What's sad is that we don't have to beat out Clemson, Bama, & UGA to be a consistent 10-win Program

If we beat out Kentucky for Bud Dupree & Josh Allen, if we beat out NC State for Bradley Chubb, if we beat out Dook, UVa & UNC for a player here, a player there, all from GA HSs we avg 10 wins over the last 5-6 seasons
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Yeah, we should see those and maybe Auburn, Tenn, USC as our peers. Compete and win against them (recruiting and other wise) and then see what happens. The 3 schools I listed have advantages over us BUT being in ATL and GA should help even the playing field. To beat UGA, Bama, Clemson we will have to out coach them and/or get a new Joe Ham.
 
Head coach that’s a great CEO.
Hires great assistants.
Hires great recruiting staff.
Easy admission plus easy majors.
Money and backing to succeed.
 
Olgoldandwhie said:
Head coach that’s a great CEO.
Hires great assistants.
Hires great recruiting staff.
Easy admission plus easy majors.
Money and backing to succeed.
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Easy admission and easy majors, whatever that means is no magic bullet

Lotsa colleges have those in Spades and have had LESS FB success than GT has had

GT fans are much too quick to focus on what we don't have rather than being thankful for what we do have

I'll bet anything that Iowa or Ole Miss would rather have GT's finances if they could have our nearby talent base instead of their current finances to go with their lack of nearby talent

I'm willing to bet a lot of P5 colleges would love to swap places with GT
 
TampaBayJacket said:
I look at Clemson as an anomaly versus the actual strong correlation between budget and athletic success. It's just like recruiting where the higher ranked 4-year average classes are strongly correlated to wins and losses. Thus, high budget is not required but you will need to be a statistical anomaly to succeed.
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Those are the strongest predictors. I recently looked at it. Forgot where though!
 
NotTomNotPhilButGCollins said:
More surrounding talent than anywhere in the Country except USC & Miami and we went with scheme in lieu of trying to recruit the best talent that could qualify

What's sad is that we don't have to beat out Clemson, Bama, & UGA to be a consistent 10-win Program

If we beat out Kentucky for Bud Dupree & Josh Allen, if we beat out NC State for Bradley Chubb, if we beat out Dook, UVa & UNC for a player here, a player there, all from GA HSs we avg 10 wins over the last 5-6 seasons
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This is my opinion too. I'm really unsure why there are folks pessimistic about that. Get the good croots, develop them.
 
NotTomNotPhilButGCollins said:
Easy admission and easy majors, whatever that means is no magic bullet

Lotsa colleges have those in Spades and have had LESS FB success than GT has had

GT fans are much too quick to focus on what we don't have rather than being thankful for what we do have

I'll bet anything that Iowa or Ole Miss would rather have GT's finances if they could have our nearby talent base instead of their current finances to go with their lack of nearby talent

I'm willing to bet a lot of P5 colleges would love to swap places with GT
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Right. CPJ lost to both Iowa and Ole Miss in bowl games. Thanks for reminding us.
 
JacketForLife said:
This is my opinion too. I'm really unsure why there are folks pessimistic about that. Get the good croots, develop them.
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The pessimism is from the excuse-making of the past decade. We didn't make these excuses up through Gailey. Even after the unnamed B*** L**** debacle. No excuses. Everyone knew we had higher academic standards yet we somehow got Joe Ham, Kelly Campbell, Dez White, Kerry Watkins, Megatron, Derrick Morgan Burnett (I'm lazy öööö off) et al onto campus.
 
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