Why does GT suck at recruiting?

In my community they went 10 years without building a single new school.
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That's what I'm getting at. Esso complains that we're "throwing tax money at the problem," when in fact we're not building schools to keep up with the demand, so in fact we're spending less money than we used to, per student capita.
 
Why is a thread about recruiting turning into a thread about public vs. private school?

Fun fact: Tim Tebow was home schooled...
 
ncjacket said:
I also think some of the perception is that because we spent to little for so long we're in almost a perpetual catchup mode. Like roads and bridges, government spent so little on schools that everything is now crumbling. In my community they went 10 years without building a single new school. So for the last 10 we're desperately trying to make up for the neglect.
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Well, you'd have more schools up there in Greensboro if you didn't burn the darn things down!
 
WracerX said:
Well, you'd have more schools up there in Greensboro if you didn't burn the darn things down!
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Yeah, you can't control those freaks out at Eastern Guilford directional school.:laugher: I mean that's where the Holt boys came from.
 
ncjacket said:
It's not just affluence, but most private schools can hand pick their students. It's pretty easy to have higher SAT scores when you don't admit anyone you actually have to work to teach.
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You don't hang around private schools much, huh? This may be true at the elite private schools, but at many, it is not NEAR the case. Private school kids are just like public school kids. If you lined them up in a classroom, you couldn't tell the difference. Private schools handle some of the most difficult cases, and generally do a good job.
 
Completely unrelated but, PhysicsJacket where'd you get your user image?
 
stinger78 said:
You don't hang around private schools much, huh? This may be true at the elite private schools, but at many, it is not NEAR the case. Private school kids are just like public school kids. If you lined them up in a classroom, you couldn't tell the difference. Private schools handle some of the most difficult cases, and generally do a good job.
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Well, not the private schools I'm familiar with for the most part. We have one here that specializes in kids who have issues with school, but most are for the affluent.
 
stinger78 said:
You don't hang around private schools much, huh? This may be true at the elite private schools, but at many, it is not NEAR the case. Private school kids are just like public school kids. If you lined them up in a classroom, you couldn't tell the difference. Private schools handle some of the most difficult cases, and generally do a good job.
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Stinger, you have not seen the public and private schools in Macon then.. My children have gone to both private and public schools. In the public schools, they were in "integrated" classes -- that is, children with significant learning or emotional disabilities. Some of these children disrupted classes EVERY day. Several of these children have wealthy parents -- but the private schools said "we do not have the faculty for teaching them adequately." Most private schools have 0 special education teachers -- and so these students are required to go to public school. And so the public schools are required to teach them -- and the current thinking is that the best education for them is in integrated classrooms. So now you have integrated classrooms that are disrupted once or twice a day.

I will agree that at the top end and middle area they are equivalent in that you can find brilliant and average people in both schools, as I have seen. However, at least at the private schools I have seen in Macon compared to the public schools, you do not see the mentally/emotionally challenged nor do you see the students who are in school purely because parents are required to put them there and it is free daycare.

Aside -- maybe this topic should be moved to OffTopic
 
ncjacket said:
Yeah, you can't control those freaks out at Eastern Guilford directional school.:laugher: I mean that's where the Holt boys came from.
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That's where my wife's family is from. Thier high school wasn't anything like mine in St. Louis. I mean the Holt's were a fine upstanding family.:eek:
 
stinger78 said:
Private school kids are just like public school kids. If you lined them up in a classroom, you couldn't tell the difference.
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HAHAhaha. Haha. Hehehe. Hehe. lol.


Maybe if you're lining up the students at Walton or Chattahoochee or Milton vs Walker or Westminster. But try doing it with Grady, or Campbell, or Marietta, or Osborne.

You live in a total fantasy land if you think there's no difference in economic or class background between Marietta High and The Walker School, even though they're probably no more than 3 miles apart. Just walk through the parking lot and count BMWs.
 
WracerX said:
That's where my wife's family is from. Thier high school wasn't anything like mine in St. Louis. I mean the Holt's were a fine upstanding family.:eek:
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Yeah, I've got some friends who live out that way, but the makeup of that school is bizarre.
 
WracerX said:
That's where my wife's family is from. Thier high school wasn't anything like mine in St. Louis. I mean the Holt's were a fine upstanding family.:eek:
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I grew up in Guilford County.


beej67,
went to Oak Ridge Elementary School
 
stinger78 said:
You don't hang around private schools much, huh? This may be true at the elite private schools, but at many, it is not NEAR the case. Private school kids are just like public school kids. If you lined them up in a classroom, you couldn't tell the difference. Private schools handle some of the most difficult cases, and generally do a good job.
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having worked and taught in a private school and my sister has taught in public school and private school and this is total bull crap

VAST differences in the type of students! maybe you are talking about the public schools and private schools in Kennesaw or something

i challenge you to go to ATL city high schools and then go to Marist, Lovett, Woodward, Horizons, etc etc, and you will see how silly your comment really is

i guess the fact that people like you really think that is what perpetuates the current system
 
beej67 said:
I don't think we suck at recruiting.

Dwyer's class was awesome, and the one we're putting together right now is pretty darn good too.
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From last year's class Jaybo, Peeples, Wright, Melton (depending on what class you put him in), Sylvester, Reid, and Taylor all saw action as tr-fr and played pretty well. RSs Uzzi, Barnes, McRae, Lockhardt have all impressed, as has Antonio Wilson. PJ & practice reports have mentioned David Sims & McKayhan have looked good.

Still way too early to tell, but given the early returns, the 08 class looks pretty solid.
 
beej67 said:
Well I know one thing for sure - teachers in public schools aren't all that great because smart people don't want to work for low salaries. It's just supply/demand, and it's the same thing with engineers and lawyers.

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Did you know that teachers at private schools make LESS than teachers at public schools?

It shocked me as I always assumed private schools would compete more for teachers.

My sister worked at both, and the payoff for her to teach at a private school was 1)easier job with less problem kids, and 2)free tuition for her own kids (making up for the salary difference.)
 
I only wish schools, whether they be privately operated or government operated, would routinely turn out students that met the minimum requirements to enter college. Kids "graduating" from any form of school who have trouble making an 820 on the SAT is simply sad.
 
Just to add one more almost-worthless comment to the discussion of why our recruiting sucks: I say give CPJ time. 15+ years of mediocrity has done damage, it will take several years of excellence to attract the top recruits.
 
beej67 said:
HAHAhaha. Haha. Hehehe. Hehe. lol.


Maybe if you're lining up the students at Walton or Chattahoochee or Milton vs Walker or Westminster. But try doing it with Grady, or Campbell, or Marietta, or Osborne.

You live in a total fantasy land if you think there's no difference in economic or class background between Marietta High and The Walker School, even though they're probably no more than 3 miles apart. Just walk through the parking lot and count BMWs.
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Cherry picking again, I see.

Come to my girls' school in Lawrenceville. I speak at chapel there twice a semester. It's about 60% white, 30% black, and 10% other. Looks just like the middle school down the street, except the way they dress. Been in dozens of private schools, and they're most all the same. How many you been in, beej?

I also see the kids in my neighborhood that my girls hang with, that go to the local public school, and all the kids at church who go to various public schools - probably close to 200 in all. If I lined 'em up, I guarantee you that you couldn't pick them out.

Now I suppose that we need to put a stipulation on this, that we need to compare apples and apples and not compare our suburban Gwinnett private school to an inner city Atlanta school. If you compare most run of the mill private schools to a public school in their neighborhood, the kids will look amazingly alike. If you compared Walton and Marietta high, you'll see just the same difference. Why are you using such a blatant a straw man for your comparison, beej. You're better than that.

In my older girl's first grade class a number of years ago, we had a boy who was learning disabled. It was amazing to see those other children learn to love him - though some were stand-offish, as I have seen public school kids be.

Other than the high-brow elite prep schools, this issue is a red herring.
 
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