CPJ and the Run 'N Shoot

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I was a bit surprised reading the article from the Macon paper that says CPJ will add the Run N shoot to the Triple Option. Is this for real?
I know adding more passing plays to what we had last year will open up more room for the run plays, but devoting a sizable share of plays to the run N shoot just does not seem like it would mesh with the present offense.

Did CPJ do that anywhere else? I don't recall Navy doing that.
Don't you need more than 2 receivers for the run N shoot? And if the formation show more receivers, then wouldn't it be hard to run the triple from it?
And do Nesbitt, Jaybo or Coppage have the arm for it?

Can't wait to see the spring scrimmage--it may answer some questions.
 
When CPJ was winning at Hawaii he was throwing it all over the place.

Also, a very interesting fact about GT's offense when it was at GSU. GSU NEVER won a championship w/o averaging over 100 yards passing a game. 6 National Championships cant be wrong.
 
I can't WAIT to cheer for it at BDS!! I've told my seatmates that all we needed was a better pass attack--now I am REALLY excited! IN CPJ I TRUST.
 
All the current offense is is the run and shoot, with the option as the package of choice. It's just that PJ opted to run more (a lot more) than shoot last year.
Look at the base formation. It's almost spot on to the base run and shoot. Plus, PJ's been using the run and shoot package for a long time. He used it a lot in Hawaii. He used it a little at Georgia Southern (where he had the QBs and WRs) but not so much at Navy, probably because of personnel limitations.
Don't get the undies in a wad when you hear run and shoot at Tech. PJ and his staff (particularly Sewak and Monken) have been doing this for a long time. We had the package last year, but didn't put it in.
The 5 questions in the Macon paper in one of the other threads showed a little bit of a lack of understanding of PJ's philosophy and history in discussing the run and shoot.
Think about Nesbitt going play action with Dwyer on first down or second and short, rolling and hitting D Thomas all alone down field. Or Roddy Jones. Or Marcus Wright. Because that's what's about to happen. A lot.
How much the public will see in spring, I don't know. PJ certainly will spend a lot of time in the meeting rooms going over it with the players.
I am absolutely stoked about this season.
 
Mike Leach at Texas Tech even referenced our offense when questioned by ESPN about his offense last year, saying Coach Johnson at GA Tech runs the same offense set "we throw it instead of running it."
 
The R&S was originally created by Tiger Ellison in the late 70's/early 80's, eventually using the flex formation with smaller, elusive hybrid slotbacks who could run and catch. His thinking was to get better passing potential from a running formation - hence the RUN & shoot. This is the way that CPJ works it, run first, but be able to pass when you need to. He passed at GSU and at HI, but not so much at the USNA. I'm guessing he never had the athletes to do this at Navy.

It was Mouse Davis who took Ellison's formation and honed it in the USFL, bringing his old Portland St. QB, June Jones, into the mix. Jones morphed it into a passing offense in the NFL and then back at HI by implementing 4 WR's instead of RB's at the slots. Ken Hatfield, Fisher DeBerry and CPJ have been the most successful with the formation at the D1A level.
 
Jorge said:
I was a bit surprised reading the article from the Macon paper that says CPJ will add the Run N shoot to the Triple Option. Is this for real?
I know adding more passing plays to what we had last year will open up more room for the run plays, but devoting a sizable share of plays to the run N shoot just does not seem like it would mesh with the present offense.

Did CPJ do that anywhere else? I don't recall Navy doing that.
Don't you need more than 2 receivers for the run N shoot? And if the formation show more receivers, then wouldn't it be hard to run the triple from it?
And do Nesbitt, Jaybo or Coppage have the arm for it?

Can't wait to see the spring scrimmage--it may answer some questions.
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No offense man, but did you miss last year? This is not news, what is news is that we may actually be able to run it this time around.
 
I'd still like to see Josh back up into shotgun formation with the Backs spread. He was virtually unstoppable in the wildcat formation two years ago.
 
GTBandit22 said:
I've posted it before, but here it is:
http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2008/12/paul-johnsons-flexbone-meets-run-and.html
The Run-n-shoot is basically option football for the passing game. WR's have different routes to run depending on how they read the coverage.
Also a more in-depth look at the Shoot:
http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/search/label/run and shoot
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If anyone is scared about what we're doing next season, read the first article. Everything will make a lot more sense.

The biggest problem that I see with people discussing our offense is thinking about it in terms that are familiar to us. Teams stack the box to stop our run game, which would work against a pro offense, but will result in us rushing for two-thirds of a mile. Same with us employing the run n shoot. Think of all those long bombs we threw to Bebe last year, now think of them done right.
 
Guys, I'm telling you this type of offense can work. It takes major discipline but if you can get it going it's unstopable. One reason it doesn't work in the NFL per se is the true run and shoot you only have 5 olinemen and the QB can take a beating if he doesn't get the ball out.
 
The only question I really have is how hard will it be to learn not only the Run and Shoot, but the option veer stuff as well.

Sooo many options and sooo many reads to learn would seem to me like it'd just be an amazing amount of information to process / internalize / etc.

Vs UNC last year we had guys all running the wrong routes and whatnot. If we can ever learn it all, it's essentially unstoppable, but will we ever learn it all? Our guys are smarter than the average football player, so that helps, but yeesh.
 
Beej, you're right. But this is an offense that once you have it down there's no more learning, just execution.
 
After a whole year, we still weren't executing the veer stuff as well as we were supposed to, in terms of blocking and speed off the ball.

I personally hope we only include less than 5 passing plays at most from the R&S, and we just learn the heck out of those.

I think if we keep our current spread of basic plays (midline, veer, jet sweep, counter option) add in about 4 basic R&S plays that we learn very well, and add a play or two that does play-action off the option, that'd be enough. Ten play offense. Just learn those.
 
refrigeratormover said:
Guys, I'm telling you this type of offense can work. It takes major discipline but if you can get it going it's unstopable. One reason it doesn't work in the NFL per se is the true run and shoot you only have 5 olinemen and the QB can take a beating if he doesn't get the ball out.
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And I'm guessing that threat of the Triple Option coming out of the same offensive look will keep the college game from blitzing the QB too much?

I liked watching highlight videos of Nesbitt against VT and BC. He was so much faster and more elusive before he started getting hurt. It'll be nice to see what he can do when he doesn't have to run for his life when he throws.
 
Josh H said:
And I'm guessing that threat of the Triple Option coming out of the same offensive look will keep the college game from blitzing the QB too much?.
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Never said that, but If I'm thinking correctly we don't spend $15 million dollars on a QB. We have several that can take a beating, So yeah we can run it.
 
beej67 said:
After a whole year, we still weren't executing the veer stuff as well as we were supposed to, in terms of blocking and speed off the ball.

I personally hope we only include less than 5 passing plays at most from the R&S, and we just learn the heck out of those.

I think if we keep our current spread of basic plays (midline, veer, jet sweep, counter option) add in about 4 basic R&S plays that we learn very well, and add a play or two that does play-action off the option, that'd be enough. Ten play offense. Just learn those.
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If you read the article, JD said that there weren't too many plays, just the variations that PJ comes up with. He said he thinks 'em up on the sideline. That's hilarious to me! I'm a DC and I've planned all week for an O that the opposing coach is thinking up on the sideline in real time? Gotta be frustrating.
 
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