We will never compete with this

[Buzzilla]

Disbursed evenly across what player population? All of D1? FBS only? P5 only? Conference? Team?

Former alumni... I want my piece I don't have a good answer to your good question. It would seem that it would have to be by team/school. It's a can of worms. But that can is now open and wriggling all over the damn place.

 

[MACHETE]

Ah, Dabo. The OG Clown.

 

[77GTFan]

Dabo - not just a great football coach, but a theologian par excellence.

 

[TechRush]

Reality is basically the exact opposite of this.

Starting in two years, the vast majority of teams, including us, will have a much better shot at making the playoff than ever before, including back when it was basically a two team playoff (BCS).

Now, winning the playoff is another matter...

Ok, so you're saying there's a chance!

 

[JJacket]

Dabo - not just a great football coach, but a theologian par excellence.

Funny thing about the quote is that it almost looks like he realizes what he said and quickly comes up with the "Jesus is our NIL" line as opposed to "we were ahead of the curve. We were paying players all along"

 

[GTLiebs]

When will the bottom fall out? When we finally get tired of seeing the same teams in the playoffs? When many fans realize their team has a snowballs chance in hell of making the playoffs? When conference realignment finally shakes everything up?

On it's own, from reasons internal to college football, probably never in the way you mean it.
What's more likely is a change from teams splitting into a D1A+ that may not even involve the NCAA. It may drop the money out of the rest of college football but fans of those teams still up there will keep pumping.

 

[THWG247]

Two words: Salary Cap.

Two words- Rules Enforcement. Get your sh!t together NCAA, set some gotdayum rules in stone and start doing something

 

[gt9589]

Can’t do it. As a redditor pointed out to me, the kids aren’t in a union.

At this rate, don't be surprised to see it in a couple of years. College Football is dead.

 

[andrew]

Two words- Rules Enforcement. Get your sh!t together NCAA, set some gotdayum rules in stone and start doing something

The NCAA had very hard rules set in stone, refused to budge on them, and so the Supreme Court opened the floodgates.

Going to be next to impossible for the NCAA to put any NIL rules in place now short of entering into a CBA with a players union.

 

[THWG247]

The NCAA had very hard rules set in stone, refused to budge on them, and so the Supreme Court opened the floodgates.

Going to be next to impossible for the NCAA to put any NIL rules in place now short of entering into a CBA with a players union.

Isn’t NIL supposed to be just for endorsement’s, commercials, used of likeness and/or name? That’s all the courts allowed as far as I know? These NIL collectives are being used by boosters to straight up buy players with none of that In return, I mean they aren’t even pretending to be for the intended purpose of nil, and then there’s all the tampering of players who aren’t even in the portal. Fake or real endorsement $$$ should not be allowed to entice a recruit or transfer player to sign with a school, there should be zero NIL involvement or contact from boosters/NIL collectives until after the player is signed with the school. The ncaa could absolutely try to rein some of this in, i’m just not sure if they have any support from the schools or if the power schools even want it reined in?

 

[mookie43]

ya'll old farts need to get with the times. Once you start offering players NIL deals....you can't go back. College sports will continue to evolve as it always has. First televising games was going to kill the sport. Then the playoff would ruin the bowls. After that, conference expansion would ruin college sports. Then the transfer portal would result in chaos. Now NIL will kill the sport. It won't.

New TV deals are going to bring streaming money into play and the rich will get richer and the poor will be tugged along.

Two things people hate the most
1) change
2) the way things are

 

[00Burdell]

Former alumni... I want my piece I don't have a good answer to your good question. It would seem that it would have to be by team/school. It's a can of worms. But that can is now open and wriggling all over the damn place.

You lost me at former alumni.

 

[GT flunkout]

Funny thing about the quote is that it almost looks like he realizes what he said and quickly comes up with the "Jesus is our NIL" line as opposed to "we were ahead of the curve. We were paying players all along"

That was exactly my take. He realized what he said and had to modify it quickly.

 

[YellowJacket4Life]

 

[andrew]

Isn’t NIL supposed to be just for endorsement’s, commercials, used of likeness and/or name? That’s all the courts allowed as far as I know? These NIL collectives are being used by boosters to straight up buy players with none of that In return, I mean they aren’t even pretending to be for the intended purpose of nil, and then there’s all the tampering of players who aren’t even in the portal. Fake or real endorsement $$$ should not be allowed to entice a recruit or transfer player to sign with a school, there should be zero NIL involvement or contact from boosters/NIL collectives until after the player is signed with the school. The ncaa could absolutely try to rein some of this in, i’m just not sure if they have any support from the schools or if the power schools even want it reined in?

Although the specific case was about NIL, the Supreme Court made it clear that attempts to regulate pay for play would also be defeated unless there was a CBA.

Again, by continuing to fight tooth and nail against any form of NIL, the NCAA ended up hamstringing themselves much more than if they had compromised a little.

Some quotes I had pulled for a previous thread:

"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate," Kavanaugh wrote. "And under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different.

"The NCAA is not above the law."

"Price-fixing labor is price-fixing labor. And price-fixing labor is ordinarily a textbook antitrust problem because it extinguishes the free market in which individuals can otherwise obtain fair compensation for their work."

The current NCAA model is "suppressing the pay of student athletes who collectively generate billions of dollars in revenues for colleges every year," Kavanaugh wrote.

[Schools] could potentially engage in collective bargaining (or seek some other negotiated agreement) to provide student athletes a fairer share of the revenues that they generate for their colleges, akin to how professional football and basketball players have negotiated for a share of league revenues.

 

[GTLiebs]

Isn’t NIL supposed to be just for endorsement’s, commercials, used of likeness and/or name? That’s all the courts allowed as far as I know? These NIL collectives are being used by boosters to straight up buy players with none of that In return, I mean they aren’t even pretending to be for the intended purpose of nil, and then there’s all the tampering of players who aren’t even in the portal. Fake or real endorsement $$$ should not be allowed to entice a recruit or transfer player to sign with a school, there should be zero NIL involvement or contact from boosters/NIL collectives until after the player is signed with the school. The ncaa could absolutely try to rein some of this in, i’m just not sure if they have any support from the schools or if the power schools even want it reined in?

And how would they rein it in? I doubt all those contracts giving players money are completely without some sort of ad or public appearance or something unless the ones writing them are stupid. Sure maybe they are paying $5M for a single ad appearance or something, but in what way can the NCAA control that?
As for tampering, NCAA I think already has rules against it but good luck getting anything done. They can't police all the players phones for 'improper' contact from other schools. Assuming the coaches are foolish enough to contact the player directly. If it's a booster or another player at the school doing the tampering contacting them then there isn't much the NCAA can do to even prove that unless the player being tampered with it reports them.

 

[GTce93]

Although the specific case was about NIL, the Supreme Court made it clear that attempts to regulate pay for play would also be defeated unless there was a CBA.

Again, by continuing to fight tooth and nail against any form of NIL, the NCAA ended up hamstringing themselves much more than if they had compromised a little.

Some quotes I had pulled for a previous thread:

Thx for posting those...interesting. So where does it stop: are all "amateur" sports gone now? Will HS kids get paid? My little kid's peewee team?

I initially read NIL like others: you're paid for things like signing footballs and making appearances or jersey sales. But- I guess it means from those Kavanaugh quotes...that the players are generating $billions thru their NIL for the school/ Athletic Dept....so they're paid b/c of what they've already provided...not what they have to go do? (like autographs, etc)

IF that's the case (I'm sure you'll correct me)...then should the school be paying them after all? Not the collectives, et al? Do you think it'd be better- or worse- if the school was responsible for the NIL payments?

 

[Akinji07]

I miss @cyptomcat. He would gather all of these we can’t compete with this, CFB is dead threads and he would put them all together for a catchall we can’t compete with this, CFB is dead thread. It’s becoming quite obvious that mods outside of BS, Cyp, TIA and gtfan never do shit to mod this board.

 

[BigDanT]

While this has true, you can guarantee that Uncle Sam will step in to protect Title IX from NIL. What that looks like, I have no idea, but you can damned well bet that there’s no way the feds will allow the unequal distribution of NIL monies and a decline in women’s sports.

Bull shit. They were all for letting men win in all womens sports.

 

[andrew]

Thx for posting those...interesting. So where does it stop: are all "amateur" sports gone now? Will HS kids get paid? My little kid's peewee team?

I initially read NIL like others: you're paid for things like signing footballs and making appearances or jersey sales. But- I guess it means from those Kavanaugh quotes...that the players are generating $billions thru their NIL for the school/ Athletic Dept....so they're paid b/c of what they've already provided...not what they have to go do? (like autographs, etc)

IF that's the case (I'm sure you'll correct me)...then should the school be paying them after all? Not the collectives, et al? Do you think it'd be better- or worse- if the school was responsible for the NIL payments?

The core issue is that the schools are agreeing to cap compensation of players at cost of attendance when the players would very clearly make more without that cap (as evidenced by all the under-the-table money changing hands.) I.e. they are banning pay-for-play.

That is an obvious antitrust violation, especially when they are so public and flagrant about it. It has nothing to with NIL.

However, the case brought to the Supreme Court was NIL, presumably because that was a slam dunk case and less publicly controversial. And what happened was the Supreme Court ruled in favor of NIL, but also said in the opinion that the ban on pay for play is also illegal even though they weren't actually ruling on that.

So now players are armed with a court ruling legalizing NIL deals, and also a Supreme Court opinion that says banning pay for play is illegal. The combination of those two things would make it extremely difficult for the NCAA to actually prevent pay for play NIL deals even though pay for play hasn't technically been ruled on yet; a lower court would likely immediately slap them down while pointing to the SC opinion.

In my opinion the end game here is a CBA for major college football which regulates pay for play like in the NFL. That could ban sham NIL deals and help with competitive balance.

"True" NIL deals would still exist, but for the vast majority of players their value lies in their play on the field rather than actual NIL money. So it will not be nearly as prominent or have as big of an effect where players go. Much like in the NFL.