Scoring Points - CPJ's the Man

[Nashville Jacket]

Just for the heck of it I compared CPJ's 1998 and 1999 Georgia Southern squads with Oklahoma's statistics from 2007 and 2008 only because OU is known as a prolific point producer. And what did I learn? CPJ likes to put points on the scoreboard and lots of 'em.

In 1998, GSU scored 654 points and gave up 363 points. That's a differential of 291.

In 2007, OU scored 592 points and gave up 284. Differential of 308.

It gets better...

In 1999, GSU scored 747 points and gave up 262. Differential of 485.

in 2008, OU scored 716 points and gave up 343. Differential of 373.

To find GT numbers comparable to these you have go all the way back to the Heisman era in 1917 when GT scored 491 points and only gave up 17 (differential = 474) the whole year. And they only played 9 games that year. Last year's GT team only scored 317 points and gave up 264 (differential = 53).

If CPJ holds true to form we may see GT achieve these gaudy numbers this year.

 

[Xihix]

So he's willing to run up the score board even if its well established that we'll win? A ugag fan was telling me how they have class because St. Richt doesn't run up the score board, while others like Les Miles and Urban Meyers do.

Because uhh... I still wanna see us score at least 60 points in one game this year.

 

[Nashville Jacket]

Teams that put up lots of points usually have good depth because the first teamers are normally on the bench by the time the game is decided. Unless of course you have a lousy defense, but based on these numbers his GSU teams had a pretty good defense to compliment the offense. His Navy teams scored lots of points too, but the types of players available to him there didn't allow him to have a good defense. Thus the point differential was slight.

 

[RamblinWreck09]

Teams that put up lots of points usually have good depth because the first teamers are normally on the bench by the time the game is decided.

I normally don't consider it running up the score if the first team offense has been benched (and, of course, they aren't throwing 40 yard bombs to the endzone and running fake punts - damn Miles). Sometimes an offense just moves the ball and scores a lot of points.

 

[GiveEmHellJackets]

St. Richt doesn't run up the score board

Now, let me first say that I have no problem with running up the score. I'm of the opinion that the object of the game is to score and I think it's pretty lame to be a crybaby about it when your team can't stop someone. I do, however, have a problem with Richt being called a saint when he runs it up with the best of them. The especially eggregious examples are in bold:

2002: Beat NMSt 45-10, 4th qtr TD pass; Beat Vandy 48-17, 4th qtr TD pass; beat Tech 51-7, 4th qtr TD; still throwing the ball with under 2 min left in game.

2003: Beat Clemson 30-0, scoring TD w/ 2:42 left; beat MTSU 29-10, attempted 2pt conv with 2 mins left in game in attempt to win by even three TDs; beat Vandy 27-8, scoring TD with :52 left in game

2004: Beat Ga Southern 48-28, TD pass with 52 seconds left in game; Beat LSU 45-16, scoring TD with 6 mins left in game to go up 45-10; Beat UK 62-17, 4 4th qtr TDs incl @ 6 min, 5 min and 2 min left

2005: Beat ULM 44-7; TD with 5 mins left; beat UK 45-13, 27 yd TD pass in 4th qtr to go up 45-6

2006: Beat WKy 48-12, Stafford TD pass with 1 min left in 4th qtr; beat UAB 34-0, TD with 5 mins left in game;

2007: beat Ole Miss 45-17, TD with 44 seconds left in game

2008: Beat C Mich 56-17, winning the 4th qtr 14-0, scoring two TDs in 4th qtr after being up 42-17.

Yes, I was pretty bored when I dug all this up. Man I am ready for 9/5.

 

[Xihix]

Yeah, the first thing that popped in my mind was the 51-7 they laid on us (which ironically, they like to boast about), but I typed it up anyway to show how stupid these idiots are.

 

[GoldenTornado]

If CPJ holds true to form we may see GT achieve these gaudy numbers this year.

GT's offense is gonna be awesome under CPJ, but we're not gonna see those 550-yard/50 point type of numbers put up by GSU in 99 for two reasons:

1. As you go up in level, it gets harder to put up gaudy offensive numbers.

2. Games have been significantly shortened by the new clock rules, and you just can't get enough plays in to score that much without hurry-up no-huddle.

 

[gtfan088]

Just for the heck of it I compared CPJ's 1998 and 1999 Georgia Southern squads with Oklahoma's statistics from 2007 and 2008 only because OU is known as a prolific point producer. And what did I learn? CPJ likes to put points on the scoreboard and lots of 'em.

In 1998, GSU scored 654 points and gave up 363 points. That's a differential of 291.

In 2007, OU scored 592 points and gave up 284. Differential of 308.

It gets better...

In 1999, GSU scored 747 points and gave up 262. Differential of 485.

in 2008, OU scored 716 points and gave up 343. Differential of 373.

To find GT numbers comparable to these you have go all the way back to the Heisman era in 1917 when GT scored 491 points and only gave up 17 (differential = 474) the whole year. And they only played 9 games that year. Last year's GT team only scored 317 points and gave up 264 (differential = 53).

If CPJ holds true to form we may see GT achieve these gaudy numbers this year.

I'm assuming this includes the playoffs, which would mean PJ's numbers are for 15 games rather than the 14 Oklahoma's would be for. It's still very impressive though.

 

[JWE37]

GT's offense is gonna be awesome under CPJ, but we're not gonna see those 550-yard/50 point type of numbers put up by GSU in 99 for two reasons:

1. As you go up in level, it gets harder to put up gaudy offensive numbers.

2. Games have been significantly shortened by the new clock rules, and you just can't get enough plays in to score that much without hurry-up no-huddle.

+1

And to add to that....

Nothing against CPJ (I have a mancrush on him), but GSU was playing with a stacked deck in that time period that GT will never have the pleasure of. GSU back then was the only FCS (1AA) school in Georgia. They had a great shot all all 1AA talent in the state.

 

[Nashville Jacket]

GT's offense is gonna be awesome under CPJ, but we're not gonna see those 550-yard/50 point type of numbers put up by GSU in 99 for two reasons:

1. As you go up in level, it gets harder to put up gaudy offensive numbers.

2. Games have been significantly shortened by the new clock rules, and you just can't get enough plays in to score that much without hurry-up no-huddle.

If Oklahoma can do it why shouldn't Tech be able to do it? Oklahoma played by the same rules you mentioned.

 

[GTLiebs]

If Oklahoma can do it why shouldn't Tech be able to do it? Oklahoma played by the same rules you mentioned.

In a defensively weaker conference. :p

 

[GoldenTornado]

If Oklahoma can do it why shouldn't Tech be able to do it? Oklahoma played by the same rules you mentioned.

OU runs a no-huddle spread and passes a lot, which I also mentioned. ;) OU ran 79 plays a game in 2008. UF and GT both ran 62. UF had 445 yards/game and they pass more than we do.

Do the math. Let's say GT runs 64 plays a game in 2009, and passes on 25% of plays (both higher than in 2008). And let's say we tie the 2008 leaders in both yards/carry (Oregon, 6.22) and yards/pass attempt (Tulsa, 10.0).

That would make GT one of the most unstoppable CFB offenses in history and we would still only have 459 yards/game total offense:

48 x 6.22 = 299 yards rushing
16 x 10.0 = 160 yards passing

 

[PJ_RULZ]

I don't think CPJ will intentionally run up the score (maybe UGAg). He will however continue running his offense with the 2nd unit and still demand execution. With the big play opportunities of this offense you will still see some lopsided scores especially as the opponents give up late. My recollection of the GSU teams were high scoring 2nd & 3rd quarters which doesn't imply running up the score..

 

[Nashville Jacket]

OU runs a no-huddle spread and passes a lot, which I also mentioned. ;) OU ran 79 plays a game in 2008. UF and GT both ran 62. UF had 445 yards/game and they pass more than we do.

Do the math. Let's say GT runs 64 plays a game in 2009, and passes on 25% of plays (both higher than in 2008). And let's say we tie the 2008 leaders in both yards/carry (Oregon, 6.22) and yards/pass attempt (Tulsa, 10.0).

That would make GT one of the most unstoppable CFB offenses in history and we would still only have 459 yards/game total offense:

48 x 6.22 = 299 yards rushing
16 x 10.0 = 160 yards passing

I'll take those numbers every week. There's a pretty good chance of winning if an offense put up numbers like that, especially if the team has an adequate defense. The problem for CPJ at Navy was that he never had an adequate defense.

 

[WreckTheRest]

GT's offense is gonna be awesome under CPJ, but we're not gonna see those 550-yard/50 point type of numbers put up by GSU in 99 for two reasons:

1. As you go up in level, it gets harder to put up gaudy offensive numbers.

2. Games have been significantly shortened by the new clock rules, and you just can't get enough plays in to score that much without hurry-up no-huddle.

Considering we play with an option offense, couldn't we probably do a lot of no huddle offenses, then simply let the QB call more of a passing audible if all the run routes appear clogged up. Maybe that's easier said than done.

 

[GoldenTornado]

I'll take those numbers every week. There's a pretty good chance of winning if an offense put up numbers like that, especially if the team has an adequate defense. The problem for CPJ at Navy was that he never had an adequate defense.

Oh I completely agree those are awesome numbers. I'm just trying to show that the scale is different now.

Navy had a pretty good D in 2004, when they went 10-2 with only about 370/game total offense. They gave up under 20 PPG. But you're right, D is harder than O to mask talent deficiencies and you can only do so much on D at a service academy.

 

[Yellow Fever]

So he's willing to run up the score board even if its well established that we'll win? A ugag fan was telling me how they have class because St. Richt doesn't run up the score board, while others like Les Miles and Urban Meyers do.

Because uhh... I still wanna see us score at least 60 points in one game this year.

The scrubs were not that much worse than the starters for GSU, even if the 3rd string is in (2nd string was usually in by the 3rd quarter) they are told to run their offense not lay down.

It is running up the score if you are up by 21 and still have the starters in and it is late in the 4th.

If it is 2nd string lighting up the scoreboard in the 3rd quarter like GSU did many times that is not running up the score.

 

[Yellow Fever]

I don't think CPJ will intentionally run up the score (maybe UGAg). He will however continue running his offense with the 2nd unit and still demand execution. With the big play opportunities of this offense you will still see some lopsided scores especially as the opponents give up late. My recollection of the GSU teams were high scoring 2nd & 3rd quarters which doesn't imply running up the score..

yes

 

[BuzzLaw]

I hope we get to play LSU again, and I believe it we do, PJ will score as many points as possible.

Nobody likes to be on the wrong end of a beatdown, and there's a classy way to do it, but if our 2nd string is in the game, we shouldn't demand sloppy play just to keep the score down. We need to run our offense and if the other team can't stop us, then too bad.

Les Miles running a fake punt vs. us and Urban Meyer throwing into the endzone at the end of the game vs. Miami is the kind of classless crap that will come back to bite them.

I expect us to beat Jax St. by 50, but I expect it will be done with the 2nd and 3rd string in the second half.

 

[swampsting]

+1

And to add to that....

Nothing against CPJ (I have a mancrush on him), but GSU was playing with a stacked deck in that time period that GT will never have the pleasure of. GSU back then was the only FCS (1AA) school in Georgia. They had a great shot all all 1AA talent in the state.

Yes ... and no.
Like the big boys do, I-AA talent in Georgia is raided heavily by out of state schools, especially by those in GSU's conference. Southern gets a lot of them — but not all of them.
I went to a lot of those PJ era games at GSU (all of them in 97 and 98, to be precise) and he DOES NOT run up the score. He blows people out early, puts in the reserves and they're asked to play hard and they don't let the foot off the gas, either.
Look at the 99 team he had. They averaged 50 points per game. That includes 40-plus against Oregon State.
Now, I don't know if Tech will get that kind of production this year or any year with PJ at the helm. But the scoreboard operator at Grant Field may need to be treated for carpal tunnel syndrome at some point.