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[hdtvfan]

I actually agree with him. Miami should definitely be in the top 10. They are a top 10 program, historically. It shows how quickly people's memories diminish over at ESPN.

Also, it is pretty damn sad that we haven't won a major bowl since 1956. VERY sad. Only senior citizens were able to remember us winning a major bowl game (barring the 1990 NC). I am a HUGE GT fan. But I am also a realist, and when Boise State and Utah have recently won major bowl games, you can't really make excuses.

Now, that's not to say that it will stay this way. I have good vibes about CPJ, and I think we have a good looking future.

I like this response best of all, what is the fascination with smack talk that many people seem to have?

I sometimes check out the Miami board but at times there are more GT smack talk posters there than there are Miami fans.

Our problem with bowls recently is that we can't even seem to win the lower rated bowls. I do think that we get a chance to play in a major bowl under CPJ sooner than Miami does under Shannon.

 

[ramblinwise1]

Didn't FSU win the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowls for NCs prior to the BCS?

Only if they were rated high enough to get into another bowl. When Tech played in the Citrus we could have gone to another bowl (Orange vs Colorado) if we were ranked 3rd or higher at a certain week in November. We were ranked 4th.

You act like the Citrus was the dregs. Well the Rose had the Big 10 and Pac 10 champs, the Sugar had the ACC champ and usually the 2nd big 10 or ND, the Cotton had the SWC champ. There weren't that many slots to be had. Chill out. Miami wasn't **** before the 1980s.

By the way, we've only PLAYED in one "major" bowl since 1956 that I can remember and it was the 1966 Orange Bowl that we lost to Florida. It was Bobby Dodd's last game as coach.

 

[turbanicusgt]

You could just give him some handcuffs and smile.

 

[RamblinWreck09]

Didn't FSU win the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowls for NCs prior to the BCS?

Per Wikipedia - take it for whats its worth I guess, the Citrus Bowl, now Capital One Bowl, took the ACC champion from 1987 - 1991. I guess we were the last ones obligated to go.

 

[GTKyle]

I can't believe we got outdrafted by

Oregon
Utah
Boise State
BYU
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State
Iowa
WVU
Ole Miss
Oregon State

 

[mm42]

Ask him if he wears these shoes.

 

[beej67]

Miami fans cannot be reasoned with. Best to just poison their food and get it over with.

 

[GT flunkout]

1) That draft is retarded

2) "Major bowl" stat is dumb as hell- If the Citrus was tied to the ACC champ, it WAS a major bowl (and obviously produced an MNC). Also, take a look at some of the teams who have played in supposedly "major" that can't hold Tech's jock.

3) Miami is NOT a top 10 program all-time. Impressive run in the 80s and a few decent seasons around the turn of the century mean jack-squat in the long run when put up side-by-side with those who have been around a lot longer. Minnesota was great in the 20s and 30s. Same difference. This goes for FSU too.

 

[GTLiebs]

3) Miami is NOT a top 10 program all-time. Impressive run in the 80s and a few decent seasons around the turn of the century mean jack-squat in the long run when put up side-by-side with those who have been around a lot longer. Minnesota was great in the 20s and 30s. Same difference. This goes for FSU too.

Amen, this is why I get so pissed when people talk about how the ACC won't produce a National Champion until FSU and Miami return to the glory days. Why the hell are they the only ones who can do such a thing? Because it was 15 years ago instead of 40? What's the difference, really? In the world of college football where you get a player for 4 years or less and it's a rare thing for a coache to hang around in one spot for even a decade, what is the difference?

You have an era of success then odds are you go back down again. We had an era in and around the 50s, FSU and Miami's occured in the 80's and 90's. Take Florida for example, they didn't have a conference championship until 1984 and their team was formed in 1906. If you're talking about cycles, eras and such, we're more likely to have seasons like Bobby Dodd used to have than FSU is to have seasons like they had in the 90s simply because we've had longer for a cycle to go full circle.

Either way, for all we know the next National Championship team from the ACC could be ****ing Boston College at this point (Hell they got closer in 2007 than any team in the ACC since Miami won the MNC at the turn of the century).

 

[ETBee]

Even if Miami's glory years occured over a relatively short period, 5 national championships is still pretty high on the all time list. I'm not sure I'd fight this fight.

I can't wait for the first time CPJ gets us to a major bowl. The broadcasters will be all over the story about it being Tech's first major bowl in 50+ years. While it seems like an interesting angle, to us it feels like it diminishes the program.

 

[WreckTheRest]

I can't wait for the first time CPJ gets us to a major bowl. The broadcasters will be all over the story about it being Tech's first major bowl in 50+ years. While it seems like an interesting angle, to us it feels like it diminishes the program.

I think they will give more respect to the co-national champions thing from 1990. The article that was posted at the thread's beginning is just one article.

As fans, we've gotta push the national champions thing from 1990 as responsible do-or-die GATech fans. If in conversation, somebody brings up "co-national" champions, then so be it.

 

[Flywheel]

Patrix Nix beat them with Reggie Ball, then they hired him away and subsequently went anemic on offense.

Their reputation as a renegade program went to new heights with the brawl against FIU.

And, best of all, they haven't beaten us since wearing those t-shirts that said "We may be in your league, but you're not in ours."

The only thing I fear from Miami at this point is that one of our stars will be stabbed on the field with a sharpened spoon handle.

 

[WreckTheRest]

And, best of all, they haven't beaten us since wearing those t-shirts that said "We may be in your league, but you're not in ours."

Da*n I hope Paul Johnson puts one of those shirts in every GT player locker before we play them. It doesn't matter if we nailed them last year. That shirt will always piss me off and can be a great motivator.

I remember a basketball game we had with them. A few Miami fans actually had signs that said "Our football team can beat your football team." At the next Miami bball game, I want to see a GT fan with a sign that says the EXACT same thing. But then some of you will tell me that's it's unnecessary.

 

[Yukonwreck]

I have a co-worker who is a Miami fan and he sent me the following email:



The ESPN article has the following quote:


How do win a share of the National Championship in 1990, but not have a major bowl since 1956? Was the Citrus Bowl not a major bowl in that time?

Creative responses for my co-worker are appreciated!

Sad, but true. But what are the "major" bowls now? I think the Cotton is way down. Gator? For me it is Orange, Sugar, Rose, & Fiesta. Then the next tier being Gator, CapitalOne, Cotton, Outback(?)---then maybe Chik-fil-A, Alamo, and then a big pile of crap bowls. Here is a list of bowl payouts, if that's the way to rank them.
http://www.football-bowl.com/bowl-schedule.html

 

[cajunjacket]

3) Miami is NOT a top 10 program all-time. Impressive run in the 80s and a few decent seasons around the turn of the century mean jack-squat in the long run when put up side-by-side with those who have been around a lot longer. Minnesota was great in the 20s and 30s. Same difference. This goes for FSU too.

By your logic, this should also go for Florida. Before Spurrier, Florida was CRAP. But now that they have won 2 NC's in 3 years, reporters (only men) at ESPN are paying top dollar to steal Tebow's virginity.

 

[GTLiebs]

By your logic, this should also go for Florida. Before Spurrier, Florida was CRAP. But now that they have won 2 NC's in 3 years, reporters (only men) at ESPN are paying top dollar to steal Tebow's virginity.

You are correct sir, no conference championship for Florida till the 1980's.

 

[GT65_UGA89]

When GT left the SEC in '63, Dodd still fielded good teams until his retirement after the '67 Orange Bowl.

Keep in mind GT was an independent from '64 to '77, and didn't begin playing a full ACC schedule until '83. So for about 20 years GT wasn't going to land in one of the major bowls because they weren't affiliated with a conference where the automatic bid to one of the major bowls was a given, and with 1970's 9-3 record being the best season during the 'independent years', GT was not going to be rewarded with an at-large to one of the majors.

GT played in four bowl games as an independent; Sun, Liberty and the Peach twice. While not considered 'major' bowls, these bowls do have tradition, have been around for a long time and are respectable.

GT's best seasons since joining the ACC were in '85 (9-2-1 -All-American), '90 (11-0-1 -Citrus), '98 (10-2 -Gator) and '00 (9-3 -Peach). GT should have been rewarded with a better bowl game in '85, played for --and WON-- the National Championship via the Citrus and Nebraska, and went to the Gator and Peach, again two bowls that are not considered 'majors' but are very respectable bowl games nonetheless.

So, since that Orange Bowl berth in '67, GT has played in 10, maybe 11, 'respectable' bowl games in the last 40 years.

 

[ramblinwise1]

Sad, but true. But what are the "major" bowls now? I think the Cotton is way down. Gator? For me it is Orange, Sugar, Rose, & Fiesta. Then the next tier being Gator, CapitalOne, Cotton, Outback(?)---then maybe Chik-fil-A, Alamo, and then a big pile of crap bowls. Here is a list of bowl payouts, if that's the way to rank them.
http://www.football-bowl.com/bowl-schedule.html

The major bowls for years were the Rose, Orange, Sugar and Cotton. When the SWC broke up the Cotton lost a lot of prestige. The Fiesta bought their way into big bowl status in the 80s. The Gator is another long lived bowl. If I had to rate them based on prestige from say the 50s thru the end of the 70s I would say:

Rose
Orange
Sugar
Cotton
Gator
Sun
Liberty
Fiesta
Peach
Tangerine (later Citrus)

 

[kirbee]

Per Wikipedia - take it for whats its worth I guess, the Citrus Bowl, now Capital One Bowl, took the ACC champion from 1987 - 1991. I guess we were the last ones obligated to go.

I have no link and this is from memory. I was at Tech in 1990.

I know for a fact that GT and the ACC had an out with the Citrus Bowl. It required the team (GT in this case) be ranked in the top 2 with a possible #1 vs. #2 game when the bowl invitations went out.

I believe the bowl invitations went out the week before the Georgia game, and GT was ranked #3, and could not be selected for the Orange Bowl due to the contractual obligations with the ACC.

 

[augustabuzz]

I have no link and this is from memory. I was at Tech in 1990.

I know for a fact that GT and the ACC had an out with the Citrus Bowl. It required the team (GT in this case) be ranked in the top 2 with a possible #1 vs. #2 game when the bowl invitations went out.

I believe the bowl invitations went out the week before the Georgia game, and GT was ranked #3, and could not be selected for the Orange Bowl due to the contractual obligations with the ACC.

You, sir are correct.:biggthumpup: