Talent

I went to Georgia Southern when CPJ coached there and they didn't need D1 talent to be competitive with D1 opponents. Now he has D1 talent, which should equate to more points and hopefully many wins.
 
olgoldandwhite said:
No... GSU did not have the talent of a D1 school across the board. But, I bet ya that Tracy Hamm would start for us. Adrian Peterson could too. What GSU did have was about 3 touchdowns better than any team they faced that year. They had enormous talent compared to the level of competition, for many years.
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So Hamm beats out Nesbitt and Peterson (THEN, not now) beats out Dwyer?

You probably think that University of Florida could beat the Detroit Lions last year too.
 
I guarantee you Peterson could start somewhere for us. He played with the NFL. I guess that is not good enough. And I guess you never saw Ham at QB. He would run rings around any option QB we had last year.
 
olgoldandwhite said:
I guarantee you Peterson could start somewhere for us. He played with the NFL. I guess that is not good enough. And I guess you never saw Ham at QB. He would run rings around any option QB we had last year.
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I don't disagree, but he wouldn't be starting at B-back. And I saw Hamm, but you are out of your mind if you think Tracy Ham has more talent than Nesbitt.

Tracy Hamm would be riding the pine behind Nesbitt.
 
About Tracy Ham - he would have been just as great in any league. He was drafted by the Rams as a running back but declined and went to the CFL where he won a Grey Cup and MVP of the CFL. Tracy was very quick changing directions, hard to tackle because of his build, and had a deadly accurate GUN for an arm. I am confident Tracy would beat out Josh. The only reason Tracy went to GSU was they were the only team willing to give him a shot at QB. All D1 teams wanted him at DB.

About the rest of the team - There is no question Tech has bigger personnel and has more depth. That said GSU always recruited for speed for the option even under Mike Sewak. There is always great speed overlooked by D1 teams because of size issues. I will not say GSU had a faster team but I will say they were always fast. I also believe CPJ will continue recruiting speed at Tech meaning we will get even faster as the years pass.
 
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I'd take Tracy Ham in his prime over Nesbitt from 2008.

It remains to be seen how Nesbitt will compare to Ham in 09 and 2010.
 
beej67 said:
I'd take Tracy Ham in his prime over Nesbitt from 2008.

It remains to be seen how Nesbitt will compare to Ham in 09 and 2010.
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Touche'

I will say Tracy (in his prime) was virtually a clinic of the perfect specimen to lead the option. He was intelligent, quickly decisive, read defenses well, very illusive, quick change of direction, fast, passed the ball on a rope 30 yards out, and could throw the long ball 65+ yards with touch. Of course, now in my 40's, my memory may be blurred slightly.;)
 
Yellow Fever said:
relative to our competition, the talent at GSU was far greater than where we are now. I think the 1999 team would give GT all they could handle if they were to open the season this year against GT but that is too hypothetical to really think about.
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I agree with GSU having better talent relative their competition, but they were nowhere near this year's GT team in absolute terms.

I'll counter with evidence provided by 7-5 Oregon State and 8-4 UGA teams, neither of whom was as good as GT will be in 2009.
 
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Back on track, I'm very interested in the question in relative terms. Based on how awful Navy was at defense, which is much more related to pure talent than offense, I would say Navy had a serious talent deficiency even compared to their schedule.

GSU had some players who could have started for D-I teams but had to play D-IAA for some reason. Still, so did Youngstown State, Delaware and many other of the top D-IAA teams.

Or how about this question? How do you think CPJ compares to other BCS coaches and how CPJ related to other lower-tier D-1 or D-1AA coaches? The higher level of coaching in the BCS is not something that can be disregarded.
 
floridajacket said:
Back on track, I'm very interested in the question in relative terms. Based on how awful Navy was at defense, which is much more related to pure talent than offense, I would say Navy had a serious talent deficiency even compared to their schedule.

GSU had some players who could have started for D-I teams but had to play D-IAA for some reason. Still, so did Youngstown State, Delaware and many other of the top D-IAA teams.

Or how about this question? How do you think CPJ compares to other BCS coaches and how CPJ related to other lower-tier D-1 or D-1AA coaches? The higher level of coaching in the BCS is not something that can be disregarded.
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I believe when Paul Johnson won his first national championship in a blowout victory over Youngstown State (might of just been a playgame though, not certain), the opposing team was coached by current Ohio State coach Jim Tressel.
 
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PJ_RULZ said:
Touche'

I will say Tracy (in his prime) was virtually a clinic of the perfect specimen to lead the option. He was intelligent, quickly decisive, read defenses well, very illusive, quick change of direction, fast, passed the ball on a rope 30 yards out, and could throw the long ball 65+ yards with touch. Of course, now in my 40's, my memory may be blurred slightly.;)
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The perfect specimen to lead the option is either Tommy Frazier or Tony Rice. At least that's as far as my memory can go. Tracy Hamm wouldn't even be in the conversation.
 
BarrelORum said:
The perfect specimen to lead the option is either Tommy Frazier or Tony Rice. At least that's as far as my memory can go. Tracy Hamm wouldn't even be in the conversation.
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You obviously never saw Tracy Hamm play.
 
gsupantther says GSU in 99 could possibly give us a run for our money.

i assume this would mean they possibly had better depth at the QB position and also depth that was more experienced at running the Offense than our last years team and possibly this years team.

i'd say this is one example of how GSU may have had more talent at at least one position. why couldn't it be more? as in WR......where we are somewhat untested...

GSU had a damn good program in the late 90's and i just think its a possibility.

i think the comparison of GSU's skill guys relative to last years team it was debatable.
but i'm positive with this years team with AA,
Roddy, JN, Diesel, Hill, D. Thomas. there's no doubt that this team is hands down the most talented he's ever dealt with.
 
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Nesbitt has incredible skills and talent, but is so far not a top option QB. The most important option QB skills are decisions and timing, not physical skills. Of course, all of the above makes the best option QB. (See: Gill, Turner.)
 
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