TOS indicates a shake up on D?

[ncjacket]

Because you have to pay to read the article and we've been warned not to post inside info.

Just curious to me that when people try to protect Scout info, everybody gives them crap, but when it's Rivals, it's okay?:D

 

[BuzzMD]

NC -- people were giving crap on this as well -- for about 6 pages worth.

 

[stinger78]

Geez....let me guess which site has all of that stuff.

Personally, I was impressed with Cooper's hard hitting last year, and he made some very good open field tackles. I don't recall people claiming that he shied away from contact when he clocked Tyrod Taylor last year, or when he put the lick on the FSU tailback to when the game for us.

I don't really like giving up a LB spot to a DB full time, especially when we've got some great younger guys out there. Effectively playing LB at 220 lbs is not going to get it done in the ACC. Plus, if Cooper thinks he's got a shot at playing after college he needs to be at Safety. A 6'4" hard hitting, fast safety is golden.....we should be so lucky to have him.

There are a lot of 220 lb. OLB's scattered around college ball. You find them particularly at Will, where you have to be mobile and able to cover a RB/SB at times. Coop's issue (to me) is he's not 220 lbs. and he's long and lanky, meaning what weight he does have is spread thin (currently listed at 6'4" 208). The closer you play to the LOS, the thicker your base needs to be, as you begin to encounter OL/TE/FB types who are all 240-340 lbs. and stout.

Personally, I always thought it a stretch for him to play that position the way I undestood it to be. AT Barnes seems to be the quintessential player we have for it. He, like Tony Clark last year, were former safeties who bulked up in college to a LB, but still had a step of speed. However, at 6.3" 230, AT Barnes now looks like a pure OLB to me. Honestly, just looking at size alone, Mario Edwards appears to be the best fit at 6'1" 216, if he has the athleticism to play the position. Reese appears too small as well at 5'11" 198. Just my opinion.

I know the desire was to get Reese, Taylor and Burnett on the field simultaneously w/o going to a straight nickle D. That may not be possible. I dunno.

 

[B-rockGT]

sorry this is stupid. what is the difference between FS and just safety...or what is the difference between Burnett's position and Coop

 

[cajunjacket]

sorry this is stupid. what is the difference between FS and just safety...or what is the difference between Burnett's position and Coop

I played SS (Burnett) and FS (Coop) in high school, so I will tell you what I know.

Safety is thusly named because they act as the "safety valve" of the defense. If the DL, LBs, and CB can't stop the play, the free safety should stop the play. They should never let someone get deeper than them on pass plays because they are the last resort. They stand furthest back from the line of scrimmage in a base defense (i.e. no pass rush, etc.)

Strong Safeties often play up by the linebackers on the "strong" side of the formation. They play just like an LB but they may have much different pass responsibilities than the LB, having to also cover WRs (in some schemes), not just running backs, half backs, and TE's.

Here is an article on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_%28American_football%29

It really depends on the formation and the coverage as per the safety's responsibilities, but you get the idea ..

 

[ncjacket]

NC -- people were giving crap on this as well -- for about 6 pages worth.

I know, just seemed that some of those arguing that worrying about "inside" information on the internet was stupid, have somehow switched sides now that the shoe is on the other foot. But mainly just stirring stuff up.;)

 

[JelloYacketDeleted062020]

There are a lot of 220 lb. OLB's scattered around college ball. You find them particularly at Will, where you have to be mobile and able to cover a RB/SB at times. Coop's issue (to me) is he's not 220 lbs. and he's long and lanky, meaning what weight he does have is spread thin (currently listed at 6'4" 208). The closer you play to the LOS, the thicker your base needs to be, as you begin to encounter OL/TE/FB types who are all 240-340 lbs. and stout.

Personally, I always thought it a stretch for him to play that position the way I undestood it to be. AT Barnes seems to be the quintessential player we have for it. He, like Tony Clark last year, were former safeties who bulked up in college to a LB, but still had a step of speed. However, at 6.3" 230, AT Barnes now looks like a pure OLB to me. Honestly, just looking at size alone, Mario Edwards appears to be the best fit at 6'1" 216, if he has the athleticism to play the position. Reese appears too small as well at 5'11" 198. Just my opinion.

I know the desire was to get Reese, Taylor and Burnett on the field simultaneously w/o going to a straight nickle D. That may not be possible. I dunno.

Sounds like we agree, but you're actually informed about why it should be that way. I was a little surprised at Mario Edwards, considering he's having trouble cracking the lineup (based on last year). I would think Reid may get a shot too?

 

[Yaller Jacket]

Honestly, just looking at size alone, Mario Edwards appears to be the best fit at 6'1" 216, if he has the athleticism to play the position. Reese appears too small as well at 5'11" 198. Just my opinion.

Stinger, if Tony Clark and Chris Reis were the ideal size for the position, I would agree. I'm pretty sure 6' 1"" 216 is pretty close to what both were.

 

[ramblinwise1]

There are a lot of 220 lb. OLB's scattered around college ball. You find them particularly at Will, where you have to be mobile and able to cover a RB/SB at times. Coop's issue (to me) is he's not 220 lbs. and he's long and lanky, meaning what weight he does have is spread thin (currently listed at 6'4" 208). The closer you play to the LOS, the thicker your base needs to be, as you begin to encounter OL/TE/FB types who are all 240-340 lbs. and stout.

Personally, I always thought it a stretch for him to play that position the way I undestood it to be. AT Barnes seems to be the quintessential player we have for it. He, like Tony Clark last year, were former safeties who bulked up in college to a LB, but still had a step of speed. However, at 6.3" 230, AT Barnes now looks like a pure OLB to me. Honestly, just looking at size alone, Mario Edwards appears to be the best fit at 6'1" 216, if he has the athleticism to play the position. Reese appears too small as well at 5'11" 198. Just my opinion.

I know the desire was to get Reese, Taylor and Burnett on the field simultaneously w/o going to a straight nickle D. That may not be possible. I dunno.

Reese does seem to be nice size for a corner. Perhaps he is not fast enough for the edge but is physical enough for the Wolf. Isn't the wolf a glorified Sam backer in the 4-3? Traditionally the SS always lined up with the TE and had coverage responsibility for him IF he ran a route behind the LBs. Whats different in Techs D?

I like names that Bud Carson used, the weak side LB was the Wrecker and strong side LB was the Stinger. That was cool.