'Bout time for Virginia to start playing

Yukonwreck

Yukonwreck

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Cavs have posted their traditionally putrid start. Would be great if they put together a complete game for UNC. Not holding my breath, but stranger things have happened.
 
I'm hoping Duke can pull the upset against VT more than UVA over UNC...

I mean, they've got home-field advantage...
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I bet it's 3/4 orange on Saturday...
 
We need someone to beat Miami, not VPI. We control our own destiny against VPI. We beat them, we own the tie-break, we don't get a situation like last year. We need someone to step up and beat Miami, or we need to hope that we can get a three-way log jam in the Coastal standings, and force the third tie-break system.
 
PerfectOption said:
How come? I've heard their campus is nice, but haven't heard anything about the stadium.
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It's simple. It feels almost like a big high school stadium, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. Yeah, stadiums like ours and Clemson's and other big time programs are nice, but it's kind of sensory overload. You've got pounding sound systems, huge video boards, ribbon boards that distract you...Wallace Wade doesn't have any of that. It's just the fans and the game.
 
gth816f said:
It's simple. It feels almost like a big high school stadium, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. Yeah, stadiums like ours and Clemson's and other big time programs are nice, but it's kind of sensory overload. You've got pounding sound systems, huge video boards, ribbon boards that distract you...Wallace Wade doesn't have any of that. It's just the fan and the game.
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I want very badly for us to blow Virginia out and embarrass them in Charlottesville. I'm still pissed off about 2001.
 
Allen Koholic said:
We need someone to beat Miami, not VPI. We control our own destiny against VPI. We beat them, we own the tie-break, we don't get a situation like last year. We need someone to step up and beat Miami, or we need to hope that we can get a three-way log jam in the Coastal standings, and force the third tie-break system.
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Assuming/hoping that we beat VPI, I hope the Chokies absolutely dominate the rest of the year. We need some teams to start stepping up in this conference. I hope Miami pulls off the win over Oklahoma, wins their OOC games, loses to Clemson and wins out after that.

Those two schools seem to have a lot going for them right now and I hope that they're on the verge of giving the ACC a couple of perennial national contenders.
 
Allen Koholic said:
We need someone to beat Miami, not VPI. We control our own destiny against VPI. We beat them, we own the tie-break, we don't get a situation like last year. We need someone to step up and beat Miami, or we need to hope that we can get a three-way log jam in the Coastal standings, and force the third tie-break system.
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My sentiments exactly--but it never hurts to have the competition with more losses. Then again, a one-loss UNC might play with more desparation against Miami if they felt they were still in the mix.
 
Yukonwreck said:
My sentiments exactly--but it never hurts to have the competition with more losses. Then again, a one-loss UNC might play with more desparation against Miami if they felt they were still in the mix.
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You don't understand. There's only two scenarios in which we win the coastal - we win out and Miami loses at least one more game to an ACC opponent, which could happen, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. Or, we beat VPI and the season ends up with three Coastal teams with a record of 7-1, all with wins over one another. In that case, the first two tie-breaks are dismissed and BCS standings are the determining factor. This will only work if all three teams have the same record. If VPI is 6-2, then it is simply us against Miami, with Miami owning the tie-break. Right now, if Tech is to win the ACC, the first priority is finish the season with no more losses, and hope that Miami loses to Clemson or UNC. The second priority is to hope that the magic mess of college football somehow blesses us with a convoluted way of getting into the title game.

On a side-note, I'm worried about the officials in the VPI game. Swofford and his legion of blind mice have a lot to gain from VPI winning. If VPI and Miami win out, that should equate to two BCS games for the ACC. I do not have any doubt in my mind that the ACC will actively seek this outcome, thorugh any means necessary.
 
Allen Koholic said:
You don't understand. There's only two scenarios in which we win the coastal - we win out and Miami loses at least one more game to an ACC opponent, which could happen, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. Or, we beat VPI and the season ends up with three Coastal teams with a record of 7-1, all with wins over one another. In that case, the first two tie-breaks are dismissed and BCS standings are the determining factor. This will only work if all three teams have the same record. If VPI is 6-2, then it is simply us against Miami, with Miami owning the tie-break. Right now, if Tech is to win the ACC, the first priority is finish the season with no more losses, and hope that Miami loses to Clemson or UNC. The second priority is to hope that the magic mess of college football somehow blesses us with a convoluted way of getting into the title game.
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http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/082105aad.html

Again, we are not in the Big 12. BCS is not the 3rd tiebreaker for ACC. In a 3 way tie at 7-1 conference for all involved, the primary tiebreaker will likely be non-divisional record. This means that at 7-1 it is basically non-conference record. VPI already had a loss there and Miami plays OU.
 
GTLiebs said:
http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/082105aad.html

Again, we are not in the Big 12. BCS is not the 3rd tiebreaker for ACC. In a 3 way tie at 7-1 conference for all involved, the primary tiebreaker will likely be non-divisional record. This means that at 7-1 it is basically non-conference record. VPI already had a loss there and Miami plays OU.
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Am I the only one that thinks people are getting non-divisional and non-conference confused?

Non-divisional for all three of those teams in that situation would be 3-0.
 
GTLiebs said:
http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/082105aad.html

Again, we are not in the Big 12. BCS is not the 3rd tiebreaker for ACC. In a 3 way tie at 7-1 conference for all involved, the primary tiebreaker will likely be non-divisional record. This means that at 7-1 it is basically non-conference record. VPI already had a loss there and Miami plays OU.
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So you are interpreting Rule #4 of the 3-way tie rules, which says, "Overall record for non-divisional teams," to mean simply "overall record"?

To me, that's the only reasonable interpretation since rules before that deal with divisional conference record and overall conference record. But it sure is a funny way to phrase it and I have heard different people interpret it different ways. If you have any insights for me about what the 3-way tiebreaker rules mean, please post em because I've been confused about them all year.
 
unforgiven108 said:
Am I the only one that thinks people are getting non-divisional and non-conference confused?

Non-divisional for all three of those teams in that situation would be 3-0.
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It says overall record for non-divisional teams, not non-divisional CONFERENCE teams. Maybe I'm being to particular, but it seems to me to include non-conference opponents as well as Atlantic opponent.s
 
unforgiven108 said:
Am I the only one that thinks people are getting non-divisional and non-conference confused?

Non-divisional for all three of those teams in that situation would be 3-0.
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Rule #2 is the one that distinguishes Coastal wins and Atlantic wins. He's talking about Rule #4, which is still a mystery to me.
 
GTLiebs said:
It says overall record for non-divisional teams, not non-divisional CONFERENCE teams. Maybe I'm being to particular, but it seems to me to include non-conference opponents as well as Atlantic opponent.s
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Then like the previous poster said, in that case why not just say overall record? Because you're already assuming that they have the same divisional record, why make it confusing by saying non-divisional, instead of overall?
 
Allen Koholic said:
You don't understand. There's only two scenarios in which we win the coastal - we win out and Miami loses at least one more game to an ACC opponent, which could happen, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. Or, we beat VPI and the season ends up with three Coastal teams with a record of 7-1, all with wins over one another. In that case, the first two tie-breaks are dismissed and BCS standings are the determining factor. This will only work if all three teams have the same record. If VPI is 6-2, then it is simply us against Miami, with Miami owning the tie-break. Right now, if Tech is to win the ACC, the first priority is finish the season with no more losses, and hope that Miami loses to Clemson or UNC. The second priority is to hope that the magic mess of college football somehow blesses us with a convoluted way of getting into the title game.

On a side-note, I'm worried about the officials in the VPI game. Swofford and his legion of blind mice have a lot to gain from VPI winning. If VPI and Miami win out, that should equate to two BCS games for the ACC. I do not have any doubt in my mind that the ACC will actively seek this outcome, thorugh any means necessary.
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Not quite. BCS is the 7th tiebreaker, the last resort. After ACC record is divisional record. And Miami wins that one if GT, Miami, and VPISU are all 7-1.

The only way we get the tiebreaker is if Miami, VPI, and GT are all 6-2 (assume GT beats VT) and Miami loses to another coastal team and GT and VT only lose to an atlantic team (ex. UNC for Miami and FSU for GT and BC for VT).

Then the tiebreakers get complicated and BCS has a chance to make the difference.

This
 
MtownJacket said:
Not quite. BCS is the 7th tiebreaker, the last resort. After ACC record is divisional record. And Miami wins that one if GT, Miami, and VPISU are all 7-1.
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Huh?

How does that work, all three of those teams would have a 4-1 divisional record, so how does Miami win in a three way tie in that tiebreaker?
 
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