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Next time you wonder why people don't take you seriously, come back to this post.
Next time you wonder why people don't take you seriously, come back to this post.
GiveEmHellJackets
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Nuff Said makes a good point: I haven't seen a bunch of people on ST post a lot of great ideas for getting our defense to perform better. Wommack isn't geting great results out of our kids right now, but that doesn't mean he's not qualified to keep working at it. Wommack made adjustments between the Miami and UNC games that seemed to work. He also made adjustments at halftime of the FSU game that seemed to help. Remember when we all thought the offense was awful from the 2nd half of the Clemson game through the entire Miami game? PJ made some adjustments in his approach and now we are rolling and he is our loveable evil genius again.
Maybe it's time to have faith in the defense? Let's see what they can do to stop Tyrod and the gang. (And I really mean GANG.) I feel like we oughtta at least give the guy the rest of the season before we turn on him. He's going to get the rest of the season whether we like it or not anyway.
Changing my sig now.
Maybe it's time to have faith in the defense? Let's see what they can do to stop Tyrod and the gang. (And I really mean GANG.) I feel like we oughtta at least give the guy the rest of the season before we turn on him. He's going to get the rest of the season whether we like it or not anyway.
Changing my sig now.
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Oh, you wanted analysis Nuff Said? I thought you just wanted to post 10 paragraph lectures explaining how everyone was a shitty fan. Well let me break it down one post at a time. I'll start with this gem:
Derrick Morgan- Jr. (3)
Robert Hall- RS Jr. (4)
Logan Walls- RS So (3)
AT Barnes- RS Jr. (4)
Brad Jefferson- Jr.(3)
Sedric Griffin- SR (4)
Mario Butler- Jr (3)
Dominique Reese- RS Jr. (4)
Morgan Burnett- Jr (3)
This isn't a defense that screams young. That's 9 our of 11 starters. We had some guys banged up this week and had to start some younger guys, but our defense is not young. More to the point, it wasn't young last year either and it still gave up a ton of points in the 2nd half.
Ben Anderson- RS Jr. (4 years on team)THWG_Nuff Said said:
Derrick Morgan- Jr. (3)
Robert Hall- RS Jr. (4)
Logan Walls- RS So (3)
AT Barnes- RS Jr. (4)
Brad Jefferson- Jr.(3)
Sedric Griffin- SR (4)
Mario Butler- Jr (3)
Dominique Reese- RS Jr. (4)
Morgan Burnett- Jr (3)
This isn't a defense that screams young. That's 9 our of 11 starters. We had some guys banged up this week and had to start some younger guys, but our defense is not young. More to the point, it wasn't young last year either and it still gave up a ton of points in the 2nd half.
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You want to know why? Gosh, I guess this makes the 5th straight week where Paul Johnson will be asked some form of "what's wrong with our defense?", and his answer will undoubtedly be some form of "our guys were in the wrong position/our guys didn't have their eyes in the right spot."THWG_Nuff Said said:
It's f'n clockwork. Dave Wommack's ENTIRE JOB centers around putting our players in the right position. He has not succeeded.
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They are young considering I believe on 6 started last year....Reese I believe only started 1/4 of the season. and I may be wrong but I don't think that Griffin started the entire season.
To me....that DOES SCREAM young....or lets just call it a draw for ****s sake and say less experienced
Furthermore, where has this been all season. You traditionally piggyback someone else's and rarely supply this type of information on your post.
I for one don't think you know a whole helluva lot about the game. Afterall, you could copy and pasted this information from the media guide online which I'd probably venture to say that you did
Also, as far as goin on in paragraphs...I do that so that when I do comment, I can provide reason or information as to why my train of thought has gone that direction.
What else you got Senior ****Face
Ish
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We only gave up 9 points in the second half because:THWG Nuff Said said:
A) our offense had the ball for 22 minutes out of a possible 30.
B) FSU missed a field goal
C) FSU's WR Fortson dropped a huge first down pass
D) Ponder threw the ball to a wide-ass-open WR only to have another wide-ass-open WR interfere.
Make no mistake, FSU still moved the ball in the 2nd half.
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Hey dumb****...a lot of the reason the end up in the wrong position or eyes in the right spot is because they're having to bounce around to different spots trying to help out where needed because the QB has time drink a Cold Beer due to lack of DL pressure.
And a good HC isn't going to go on the record to the Media and call the DC incompetent you freakin' turd
Again, you're bringing absolutely nothing relevant to the table. the media is asking the same question a lot in part to the fact that they do the exact same thing that you do and read the stat column and go WTF?
THWG_Nuff Said
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I don't care if you do or don't take me seriously....and I'd hope that those intelligent folks on here would realize that this post was just bit of fun as well as call out to you 3 on what about my posts fail to make sense in regards to the game
I don't need to come back to it. At the end of the day I KNOW that I've got a tremendous amount of knowledge about the game of football and when I don't ... I enjoy learning something new.
You however have yet to show anything of the sort and instead just bring out the ol "you don't know anything" and attempt to leave it like that
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Thank you sir. I agree. It's been a rough go thus far, but we've played 4 games thus far and beaten 2 arch rivals in the conference which is a huge plus
I apologize to you if I've irritated you in my rants at those other 3 idiots, but I just don't understand why they are on here to discuss but have yet to discuss something relevang.
You however seem to know a fair amount information in regards to the game......they on the other hand dont
The retard comment really pissed me off though....name calling is one thing but that's just immature and assinine but I guess you've gotta consider the source.
Oh well...I'm not trying to win a popularity contest on here, but I do like conversing with people who actually understand what's what as you in fact obviously do
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Man, you are lost...just like our players. Let me see if I can make it more clear: THEY AREN'T LINING UP RIGHT. THEY AREN'T TAKING CARE OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES. THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON OUT THERE. THIS IS COACHING. WHAT THE HELL ELSE IS THERE TO SAY.
I don't even know what point you're making here. You're right, he won't call him out in public. That's why he's saying coach-speak like "our guys aren't in the right place."
You're right. I didn't even watch the game. Just sat at home with the tv off, and when the game was over I pulled up the old interwebs and found our stats online. And I looked at them for hours and hours. And I determined that our DC was a genius who knows exactly what the hell he is doing.
Sound idiotic? Thought so, but that's exactly what you sound like right now. How in the hell can you watch that performance and not even question Wommack, like, at all?
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make no mistake.....this isn't something that I'm not aware of. We've been doing things similiar to this all year. Who the f cares
We WON THE GAME, and that's the bottom line.
We played a good offensive team, regardless of their "stats" you're able to provide. They've got talent/athleti**** and speed by the ****load
Again, most of our defensive struggles were due to a FANTASTICALLY schemed game by FSU"s CIW and OC.....you however have seemed to continue to disregard this very relevant fact
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Actually, it's extremely evident that you aren't aware of it. Otherwise you wouldn't have proclaimed that our defense shut them down in the 2nd half.
Well I care because, like, I really like georgia tech and stuff. And like, it's going to suck when we lose because our offense has an off night and our defense plays dreadfully, and stuff.
I'm ecstatic that we won the game. Thrilled! Seriously, I couldn't be more pumped for this saturday's game against VT with the ACC Championship implications. But, also, I'm not an idiot who can't see that we have serious problems on defense.
I like how you put stats in quotations, like they aren't real. Denial is the first step.
FSU's scheme was fantastic, I agree. How Jimbo Fisher implemented the "throw-it-to-a-completely-wide-open-player" offense in just one week, I'll never know.
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GiveEmHellJackets
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Ha ha. You're makin enemies without even realizing it. You're a machine! I bet you lasted about eight seconds on the Hive! When's your next poster-v-poster settle-the-score brawl at the Varsity? Sweep the leg! :D
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Dude, for the love of God why isn't this getting thru your freakin' head.
There players get wide open when we fail to get pressure on the QB.....it's simple
Thus, its very easy to say our defense to give up yards and look "awful" as you put it.
Therefore due to this, it's not necessarily the DC's fault. After all he's already trying to correct the situation by blitzing safeties and LB's when possible due to the lack of pressure our DL is getting on the QB
Soooo....when you take into account that our DL isn't good and can't get pressure, then it leaves our secondary,etc on an island. Thus, you can't say our DC sucks. Instead you have to chalk it up to a lack of prescence of our DL and pray that we just keep playing good offense.
We are creating turnovers which is bailing us out when our DL underperforms...or scratch that, does all it can but doesn't get a push.
It's easy to say that our D sucks when you look at PPG and YDs....and I understand that.
But, I also understand that this perception isn't due to the incompetence of a DC but instead is directly related to DL play. Do you not think that he'd change our DL if he could? He's got the best players on the field that we have and this much I'm fairly confident of.
I don't understand how you can't grasp this, it's like teaching a SilverBack Gorilla how to speak english for God's sake
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ..... tell me where I'm wrong with what I've said instead of just attempting to insult me.
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If anybody mentoned this, I skimmed over it, but bottom line:
That is a team that scored 34 against Miami and 54 against BYU. So we held them exactly to their two-game average of those games. They are a prety good team, and somehow I think they'll at least find a way to get to 6-6 and get to the Emerald Bowl or one of those lesser bowls.
But with UF looming at the end, that means 4-1 the rest of their ACC schedule. Can they do it? I think so.
That is a team that scored 34 against Miami and 54 against BYU. So we held them exactly to their two-game average of those games. They are a prety good team, and somehow I think they'll at least find a way to get to 6-6 and get to the Emerald Bowl or one of those lesser bowls.
But with UF looming at the end, that means 4-1 the rest of their ACC schedule. Can they do it? I think so.
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Ah, so I guess FSU is just the latest juggernaut offense that is going to buzzsaw through every other defense they face. Just like Miami, just like MSU, just like Clemson(remember when people declared they'd win the Atlantic after embarrassing our D?). USF and Jax St. both held FSU under 20 points, but I'm sure they're far more talented on D than Tech is.
The bottom line is you can't win a championship playing defense the way Tech does. I guarantee you they will lose at least one out of Wake, Duke, and UVA(All of whom scored 40+ against BCS opponents Saturday). This is quite possibly the worst defense Tech has ever had, and no amount of excuses can exonerate Wommack for that. 7 quarters without forcing a punt is outrageous.
There will be a day when the offense isn't hitting on all cylinders and can't quite do enough. This is something that Tech fans who lived through the Hamilton years know well.
It could have been the Clemson game, but they got some fluky scores on special teams to bail them out. MSU would have been a loss if not for 5 turnovers. If FSU's WRs don't run into each other, they go up two scores in the 3rd, and it's a whole different game. When you have a team that lives on this kind of luck, it eventually turns around and bites you. Just ask uga after their shaky 3-1 start.
Yes we don't field optimal talent out there, but we do start a couple of all-americans. How many teams can say that? Offensive coordinators are clearly one step ahead of Wommack, as they always seem to have their protection set up to handle exactly what we bring.
There's plenty to be concerned about with this team, and it's not hard to see a disaster on the horizon if the defense doesn't start playing better. The way things are looking, Vandy might be the only team left on the schedule that they'll hold under 30 points.
The bottom line is you can't win a championship playing defense the way Tech does. I guarantee you they will lose at least one out of Wake, Duke, and UVA(All of whom scored 40+ against BCS opponents Saturday). This is quite possibly the worst defense Tech has ever had, and no amount of excuses can exonerate Wommack for that. 7 quarters without forcing a punt is outrageous.
There will be a day when the offense isn't hitting on all cylinders and can't quite do enough. This is something that Tech fans who lived through the Hamilton years know well.
It could have been the Clemson game, but they got some fluky scores on special teams to bail them out. MSU would have been a loss if not for 5 turnovers. If FSU's WRs don't run into each other, they go up two scores in the 3rd, and it's a whole different game. When you have a team that lives on this kind of luck, it eventually turns around and bites you. Just ask uga after their shaky 3-1 start.
Yes we don't field optimal talent out there, but we do start a couple of all-americans. How many teams can say that? Offensive coordinators are clearly one step ahead of Wommack, as they always seem to have their protection set up to handle exactly what we bring.
There's plenty to be concerned about with this team, and it's not hard to see a disaster on the horizon if the defense doesn't start playing better. The way things are looking, Vandy might be the only team left on the schedule that they'll hold under 30 points.
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To come out and flat out say that "our defense sucks" is very broad and IMO inaccurate statement
Granted: We need a TON of work and improvement and need it constantly and quickly and I agree with everyone in that regard
However, people like I've name earlier who think " I know nothing and am retarded" are only looking at this as either A: an overall picture or B: just blaming it on Wommack
I'd lay $$$ no one on here (especially Ish, gth and that other turd GSU) would walk up to a player or Wommack and say that. If so, 2 things would happen... A: you'd get your asses kicked and B: Wommack would ask your opinion as to why you think so and you all would stutter on your words and probably soil yourself (my guess it would be of the pissing out your ass sorts)
Here's my take.
1. We are fairly young with very little experience for the most part in a starting role
2. A Defenses key core unit is and starts with the DL. Ours with the exception of the double teamed Morgan is new to the unit. Thus very inexperienced and starting us off on the wrong foot
3. Our Secondary is feeling the heat and lookin like **** due in part to the play and inexperience of #2. Simply put; no DL push or penetration on or at the LOS leaves them on an island and open for a VERY BAD OUTCOME
4: Wommack is constantly, IMO, trying to find a way to help or fix the problem in #2. With that, one of the ways is moving to a 4-3 and blitzing the LB's which unless they get to the QB continues to lead to piles of yds and pts to be had
5. Our Red Zone D isn't or hasn't been that bad so far. And most people who are defensive minded and have a fair amount of knowledge of the game will tell you that THIS AREA is where you can really find a lot about the toughness and Heart of the D Unit as a whole. Big Plays are what have hurt us not RedZone Offenses
6. I think that Wommack is doing the absolute best with what he has to put on the field and THAT is where I think a lot of those on here aren't seeming to grasp. Put it this way, if this wasn't the case PJ would be all up his ass and putting the weight of the world on Wommacks shoulders and I've yet to see or hear of that taking place
And finish with this;
SOMETIMES YOUR BEST DEFENSE IS A GOOD OFFENSE! And right now we can't argue this or we'd really be up the creek
Now, (ISH, gth, GSU and whoever the hell else) has a problem or a different take on the situation PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE share it as I'd love to read it. Don't just run off at the mouth (which apparently is all you can do) and throw childish insults like "I'm an idiot, or a retard or only post with emotion and 0 fact)... Instead bring some other fact based thoughts to the table and have one of those "conversations" that gth816 is so keen on having
How was that "GiveEmHell"???
Granted: We need a TON of work and improvement and need it constantly and quickly and I agree with everyone in that regard
However, people like I've name earlier who think " I know nothing and am retarded" are only looking at this as either A: an overall picture or B: just blaming it on Wommack
I'd lay $$$ no one on here (especially Ish, gth and that other turd GSU) would walk up to a player or Wommack and say that. If so, 2 things would happen... A: you'd get your asses kicked and B: Wommack would ask your opinion as to why you think so and you all would stutter on your words and probably soil yourself (my guess it would be of the pissing out your ass sorts)
Here's my take.
1. We are fairly young with very little experience for the most part in a starting role
2. A Defenses key core unit is and starts with the DL. Ours with the exception of the double teamed Morgan is new to the unit. Thus very inexperienced and starting us off on the wrong foot
3. Our Secondary is feeling the heat and lookin like **** due in part to the play and inexperience of #2. Simply put; no DL push or penetration on or at the LOS leaves them on an island and open for a VERY BAD OUTCOME
4: Wommack is constantly, IMO, trying to find a way to help or fix the problem in #2. With that, one of the ways is moving to a 4-3 and blitzing the LB's which unless they get to the QB continues to lead to piles of yds and pts to be had
5. Our Red Zone D isn't or hasn't been that bad so far. And most people who are defensive minded and have a fair amount of knowledge of the game will tell you that THIS AREA is where you can really find a lot about the toughness and Heart of the D Unit as a whole. Big Plays are what have hurt us not RedZone Offenses
6. I think that Wommack is doing the absolute best with what he has to put on the field and THAT is where I think a lot of those on here aren't seeming to grasp. Put it this way, if this wasn't the case PJ would be all up his ass and putting the weight of the world on Wommacks shoulders and I've yet to see or hear of that taking place
And finish with this;
SOMETIMES YOUR BEST DEFENSE IS A GOOD OFFENSE! And right now we can't argue this or we'd really be up the creek
Now, (ISH, gth, GSU and whoever the hell else) has a problem or a different take on the situation PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE share it as I'd love to read it. Don't just run off at the mouth (which apparently is all you can do) and throw childish insults like "I'm an idiot, or a retard or only post with emotion and 0 fact)... Instead bring some other fact based thoughts to the table and have one of those "conversations" that gth816 is so keen on having
How was that "GiveEmHell"???
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GAH!!! I KNOW! I freaked when I saw 8 or 9 players unable to get past 5 linemen.