Is the ACC a one trick pony?

Yukonwreck

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If Virginia Tech destroys us, what does it say for the conference? If we take them down will it be good of bad for the overall prestige of the ACC?
 
Yukonwreck said:
If Virginia Tech destroys us, what does it say for the conference? If we take them down will it be good of bad for the overall prestige of the ACC?
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Too early to tell. If we beat VPI and them, us and Miami go undefeated rest of the year then the conference will get some respect.

However if we beat VPI and then lose two more, then yea the ACC takes a hit.
 
It would be good to take them down. It shows that we're competitive. But if they end up getting the NC (unlikely) then I think it would be highly beneficial to the ACC. Maybe if Miami wins it all.... I just threw up a little in my mouth... I can't imagine what their fans would be like.
 
The ACC needs VT to win Saturday in the worst way. Against all odds, VT has become a national title contender again despite losing to Alabama to open the season. If they beat us Saturday night, given the rest of their schedule, they have a very real shot at playing for the national title, which would be a major coup for the ACC.
 
Yukonwreck said:
If Virginia Tech destroys us, what does it say for the conference? If we take them down will it be good of bad for the overall prestige of the ACC?
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Parity is good as long as it is a few elite teams at the top. See the Big 12 last year.

FSU took crap in the 90's for winning a weak conference to get to the NC game. Beating VT would be good for the conference.
 
MtownJacket said:
Parity is good as long as it is a few elite teams at the top. See the Big 12 last year.

FSU took crap in the 90's for winning a weak conference to get to the NC game. Beating VT would be good for the conference.
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I agree, but we don't have a few elite teams at the top, because our teams lose all their big out of conference games. Beating up on each other only works if you have a great conference image(see: SEC), and to get that you need to start winning OOC games and much more importantly national titles(see: SEC again.)

We're the last real chance for VT to lose, they're only 2 spots away from the title, and they definitely have the school name to get into the title game if two teams ahead of them lose. Swofford will be praying for VT.

That said, let's go out and kick them in the nuts.
 
It's all academic anyway. VT is losing this weekend. Miami is losing next week. And we're going to pound Wake in the ACCCG.
 
gth816f said:
The ACC needs VT to win Saturday in the worst way. Against all odds, VT has become a national title contender again despite losing to Alabama to open the season. If they beat us Saturday night, given the rest of their schedule, they have a very real shot at playing for the national title, which would be a major coup for the ACC.
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Regardless of who wins this game I am convinced that we will prove once and for all that Virginia Tech is far from being the #4 team in the nation. How that came about I will never know. Lost to Alabama, miracle to avoid a loss to Nebraska, and beat Miami in a downpour. They were shaky against Duke and ripped a depleted BC team. These guys are pretenders getting a lot of mileage out of their reputation. Of all the one-loss teams I'd put them in the bottom half--seriously.
 
gth816f said:
I agree, but we don't have a few elite teams at the top, because our teams lose all their big out of conference games. Beating up on each other only works if you have a great conference image(see: SEC), and to get that you need to start winning OOC games and much more importantly national titles(see: SEC again.)

We're the last real chance for VT to lose, they're only 2 spots away from the title, and they definitely have the school name to get into the title game if two teams ahead of them lose. Swofford will be praying for VT.

That said, let's go out and kick them in the nuts.
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But VT already failed out of conference. If GT and Miami win out then Miami has a quality win over Oklahoma and GT has a quality win over Geor... Miss... Vand... Jax St?

Anyways the point is why would you want a team that lost to the SEC out of conference to go undefeated in the ACC? It shows that the SEC is better than the ACC. However if GT gets one loss in conference while going 3-0 against the SEC then it makes the ACC look better than the SEC because it took the ACC parity to get a loss.

As far as the MNC goes I agree that VT has the only real shot at making it as long as Texas loses.

For Miami to get into the MNC: GT must beat VT, and Texas, USC, Ohio St, Cincinnati, and maybe even Boise St must lose.

If GT beats VpissU then we will get catapulted to about #10 in the BCS (we are doing better in the BCS than the AP) and be in a similar position as Miami.

But whatever.
 
M-Town and Yukon, I agree that VT has failed out of conference and probably isn't as good as their record indicates. The fact remains though that they are #4 in the nation and after us they have a very good shot of going undefeated the rest of the way. The ACC has absolutely been craving a national title contender, and they'll take one no matter how they get it.
 
Damn it! The ACC will still be a great conferance if we beat VT, and we finish in a three way tie with VT and UM. (win all OOC games too) Consider this, it will be three teams in the top 10. Yeah there wont be a MNC team, but at least one of us could get the at large bid. Two 11-1's and a 10-2 ain't that bad. I have to figure all of these losses would be to top 10 teams.
 
gth816f said:
We're the last real chance for VT to lose, they're only 2 spots away from the title, and they definitely have the school name to get into the title game if two teams ahead of them lose. Swofford will be praying for VT.
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This is what scares me. What are the odds that we get the Swofford-sanctioned officials we had for the UNC game?
 
the voters see that they gave Miami and Nebraska their only losses and only lost to undefeated Alabama. I get it. But it is highly possible that in a few more weeks we will understand that Miami and Nebraska might not belong in the top 13 either. The polls will be much more realistic after ten games are played. It is important for us to win this game, but I don't know that just winning this particular game somehow makes us a better team. I don't see this as a "program-defining" game. Next year it might be.
 
msm5 said:
I really don't want to jinx anything, but have we had any illegal chop block penalties this year?
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Significantly less. And I think that is due to CPJ's presentation about chop blocking in the off season.
 
cajunjacket said:
Significantly less. And I think that is due to CPJ's presentation about chop blocking in the off season.
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That and the fact that, once identifying the chop block penalty as something that was impeding our success, CPJ and staff went to work teaching the correct/legal cut blocking technique. I'm telling you, when this coaching staff focuses on an issue, they stay on it until it is fixed. Can't beat Georgia? Fix it. Josh can't pass? Fix it. Can't block up front? Fix it. One by one our flaws will be addressed. Not made perfect (until we recruit more players) but made better. We will have one hell of a November.
 
I agree, except how could VT be in the Top Ten with two losses? We all know the ACC is tougher than it is perceived---but the perception is still reality for the rest of the football world. I can acknowledge that Miami is one of the better teams in the country right now, but if they don't take Duke, or Wake, or Clempsen seriously they'll get beat. Same for us.
 
gth816f said:
M-Town and Yukon, I agree that VT has failed out of conference and probably isn't as good as their record indicates. The fact remains though that they are #4 in the nation and after us they have a very good shot of going undefeated the rest of the way. The ACC has absolutely been craving a national title contender, and they'll take one no matter how they get it.
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Eh, I'm not sold. How is it good for the ACC if VT goes to the national championship game and gets waxed? At this point, would you honestly believe that they would beat Texas, UF, Alabama, SC, or Ohio State? I'm not willing to predict that sort of stratospheric success for the cHokies. I guess we'll find out a lot about them this Saturday.
 
VT won't go to the NC game unless if there are no 1 loss SEC teams. This has been talked about in a recent article by Ms. Dinich.
 
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