AJ Green apologists

TechPhi97 said:
You guys go through the AA budget, attribute everything to specific sports, then tell me how much of it should go to the players.
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I have no idea, but you're clearly way underselling the amount of revenue that football generates. TV is the goose that lays the golden egg and you didn't even consider it in your original estimation.
 
mm42 said:
So, you contend that the football program generates $15M in revenues out of the $47M AA total revenue? BS.
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The numbers are irrelevant people. It is principle.

AAs are non profit. Designed to break even. They have two main sources of revenue, football and basketball. Direct revenue and donations.

After that they are a charity, handing out scholarships. If they make a lot of money, they give out a lot of scholarships.

If you pay players, you take away from some girl playing field hockey or some dude who can swim fast. I got no problem with that. I'm heartless that way.

But if the issue is teams making millions off star players, does $80 bucks a week pocket money really have relevance? That seems preposterous to me.

College football as we know it can't exist if players are being compensated related to revenue.
 
GTCrew said:
The numbers are irrelevant people. It is principle.

AAs are non profit. Designed to break even. They have two main sources of revenue, football and basketball. Direct revenue and donations.

After that they are a charity, handing out scholarships. If they make a lot of money, they give out a lot of scholarships.

If you pay players, you take away from some girl playing field hockey or some dude who can swim fast. I got no problem with that. I'm heartless that way.

But if the issue is teams making millions off star players, does $80 bucks a week pocket money really have relevance? That seems preposterous to me.

College football as we know it can't exist if players are being compensated related to revenue.
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Nice sum-up post. These are pretty much my feelings as well.
 
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imo i dont think that 'they dont' get payed as others have mentioned...

they get a full ride...... books tuition
they get housing
they get food
they get personal trainers
they have free health care
they may have other insurance opportunities
they have tutors
they have the backing of the athletic department.
they are often preened an fawned over
they being jocks have a shot at some of the best babes on campus
they have name recognition after they graduate which could open doors not available to the regular student. etc etc etc

sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me.

that being said....

i think that a good bit of the profits goes into facilities, recruiting and coaching staff. i have not seen too many poor head coaches... have you?

it would be nice if they were all payed a stipend/spending money but where does it come from?

how about the nfl/nba/baseball/espn/cbs/nbc etc all contribute to a fund that is split up equally between the athletes. prorated by the amount of revenue they generate. of course their would have to be a minimum amount.

wrt greene .... why is he special? none of his 100 plus teammates had the option of having an extra 100,500,1000 to spend. why should he? i am for the average player who does things by the rules not the pampered super star.
 
gtpi said:
wrt.... why is he special? none of his 100 plus teammates didnt have the option of having an extra 100,500,1000 to spend why should he.
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Because people were willing to spend money on a jersey worn by him but not by random player xxx? Why should Terrell Owens have the option of selling his game worn jersey for $1k+ when I can't sell my flag football jersey for anything?

Although that's philosophically speaking. As has been said many times, he knew the rules when he accepted the scholarship so he deserved his punishment.
 
jkernea said:
The players are already getting paid....they're getting a full ride to these top-notch schools who otherwise wouldn't even look at their applications.
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Exactly.

95% of college players don't even make it to the NFL.

What makes it worse in AJ Green's situation is that he'll end up making MILLIONS. The NFL team who drafts him will surely have "character questions" about this star WR...and all because of $1,000 he accepted. That $1,000 could easily cost him upwards of $1million.

I could see a no-name player selling a jersey AFTER his college years are through. Because most ain't gonna make a dime in the NFL.
 
andrew... i guess we will see a huge drop in the attendance at uga games when greene doesnt play than. that is, if your right.

personally i go to watch gt the team play and win not just say nesbitt. if we had a crappy team but nesbitt was still the qb i seriously doubt that our attendance would continue to climb.

i think your argument is flawed imo.
 
gtpi said:
andrew... i guess we will see a huge drop in the attendance at uga games when greene doesnt play than. that is, if your right.

personally i go to watch gt the team play and win not just say nesbitt. if we had a crappy team but nesbitt was still the qb i seriously doubt that our attendance would continue to climb.

i think your argument is flawed imo.
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What? That's not my argument at all. You said why should get the opportunity to get that extra 50,100,1000 by selling his jersey when other players don't. I said because people are willing to pay that much for his jersey but not for that of player X. That's how the world works...if you sell something, you get what people are willing to pay for it.

What does that have to do with attendance dropping when he leaves?
 
gsu_paintballer said:
Simple:
Don't allow sales of jerseys with random numbers. Use a standard #1 or something.
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That way the players don't get money AND the fans don't get what they want. Everybody wins!

I don't think that would solve this issue though, since he sold a game worn jersey. Can't print those with just #1 on them.
 
andrew said:
Extreme BS. Pretty sure the only BCS school in the nation whose basketball revenue exceeds football is Duke.
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Kansas is screaming into the lead, apparently. Lol.



Also, GTCrew nails this thread. College football as we know it dies a firey death if players are compensated relative to revenue, because of the revenue gap. The moment UGA is allowed to legally leverage their top 5 AA earnings into player salary, GT never wins a game against them again. Period. Might as well cancel the series.
 
we are arguing apples n oranges...

your whole premise is based on the amount of money he is payed for the jersey. that is not the issue at all or the rule.

the whole issue is...

that no player can profit from selling his jersey regardless if he gets 5 or 1000 for it.

so tell me why greene can sell his jersey and their left guard cant?
 
gtpi said:
we are arguing apples n oranges...

your whole premise is based on the amount of money he is payed for the jersey. that is not the issue at all or the rule.

the whole issue is...

that no player can profit from selling his jersey regardless if he gets 5 or 1000 for it.

so tell me why greene can sell his jersey and their left guard cant?
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Well I already said right in my post that it's against the rules and he deserves his punishment.

But if they were allowed to sell jerseys he'd still make a lot of money and the left guard would make next to nothing, because people are willing to pay for Greene but not for Player X.
 
andrew said:
Extreme BS. Pretty sure the only BCS school in the nation whose basketball revenue exceeds football is Duke.
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Kansas is screaming into the lead, apparently. Lol.

gsu_paintballer said:
Simple:
Don't allow sales of jerseys with random numbers. Use a standard #1 or something.
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You missed it.

This wasn't some jackoff buying a jersey because of what number was on it. It was an agent buying a jersey explicitly to funnel money to AJ Green. Should AJ be allowed to sell a dirty sock to a booster for a hundred grand?

Regarding salaries for football players:

GTCrew nails this thread. College football as we know it dies a firey death if players are compensated relative to revenue, because of the revenue gap. The moment UGA is allowed to legally leverage their top 5 AA earnings into player salary, GT never wins a game against them again. Period. Might as well cancel the series.

If all players were given a capped, equal stipend, that did not vary across any university, then it would only hurt the programs that are struggling to break even in terms of AA revenue. That wouldn't hurt GT football, but would screw GT swimming, because we'd have to can scholarships to afford the football salaries.
 
TechSBP said:
Claiming that the scholarship is their payment, as others have done, is about like saying you'd be happy if you showed up to work and they paid you in coconuts.
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In college? You think your analogy illustrates your point in the absurdity of not paying someone who is making money for you, but you have actually made the opposite point.

It is quite common to have unpaid internships in several fields. The students do it because they get "paid" in experience that they can parlay into future jobs.

Coconuts is extreme, but I had several friends who worked internships for nothing but flight vouchers. And a significant number of us took free internships in our field rather than taking paid jobs that were unrelated to our chosen career.

There is a simple way for college athletes to change the system. Stop playing unless you get paid. The reason that won't happen is there is always someone waiting to take your place for free. And the school won't make any less money with that replacement than they would have with you.

They play because it is worth it to them. Some play for the simple experience, knowing they will never play professionally. Others play because they want the experience and coaching to prepare them to go to the next level. Other play for the free publicity and marketing they get to show their talents. And finally actually do play because it is the only way they have to pay for school.

But they all play because it benefits them in some way. And they all make the personal decision whether it is worth it or not.
 
andrew said:
That way the players don't get money AND the fans don't get what they want. Everybody wins!

I don't think that would solve this issue though, since he sold a game worn jersey. Can't print those with just #1 on them.
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You're right, but it would make this issue much more clear cut (if we're ignoring the agent thing)

beej67 said:
Kansas is screaming into the lead, apparently. Lol.



You missed it.

This wasn't some jackoff buying a jersey because of what number was on it. It was an agent buying a jersey explicitly to funnel money to AJ Green. Should AJ be allowed to sell a dirty sock to a booster for a hundred grand?

Regarding salaries for football players:

GTCrew nails this thread. College football as we know it dies a firey death if players are compensated relative to revenue, because of the revenue gap. The moment UGA is allowed to legally leverage their top 5 AA earnings into player salary, GT never wins a game against them again. Period. Might as well cancel the series.

If all players were given a capped, equal stipend, that did not vary across any university, then it would only hurt the programs that are struggling to break even in terms of AA revenue. That wouldn't hurt GT football, but would screw GT swimming, because we'd have to can scholarships to afford the football salaries.
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I didn't miss anything. I'm stating a way to shut up the whiners that say jersey sales exploit the athletes.
 
I stopped being a booster last year. I can now give stuff to players. I have a shock collar I'm trying to get rid of.
 
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