All Time Tech Starting Lineup

[BarrelORum]

I don't think anyone's debating this, really. Now if you put Billy Lothridge into the training regimen that Joe Hamilton was in, and in the same pass-happy offense, which do you think would fare better?

Let me mention that Joe Hamilton's 1999 season is the top offensive year in Tech's record books. Do you know which seasons are #2 and #3? Godsey's 2000 and 2001 seasons.

Both of Godsey's seasons are better than 3 of Hamilton's 4 seasons. In fact, only two of Hamilton's seasons are even in the top 10 (1999 and 1998), the others are Dewberry in 1984 (#4), Davis in 1993 (#5), Jones in 1990 (#6) and 1991 (#8), TAYLOR BENNETT in 2007 (#9), and AJ Suggs in 2002 (#10 - talk about the guy that got the shaft).

Billy Lothridge finished #2 in the Heisman voting to Roger Staubach in 1963. As much as we love Goose, he couldn't hold a candle to Lothridge. I think that Lothridge in today's training would have had a great shot at surpassing Hamilton for all-time total yardage. I'll go out on a limb and say the same thing about Kim King, too. And I'm not saying either is better, but they would put up very comparable numbers today.

Ironically, all 10 of Tech's top defensive seasons came under Dodd between 1948 and 1966. This is why, BOR, that Lothridge's teams don't have the stats that Hamilton's and Godsey's do. This was Dodd's style - conservative offense with lock-down D.

Hamilton was the all time ACC leader in career yardage not to mention the QB for the #1 offense in the COUNTRY for two years straight...

Oh yeah... anyone could do that especially someone who completed less than 50% of his passes against sub standard competition.

:banghead:

 

[BarrelORum]

I was in school during the Shawn Jones years and had just graduated before the Hamilton years. And between them, Joe was better.

 

[BarrelORum]

Let me clear this in my head before lunch.You were born in what 72 so you are basing your opinions on stats,you never saw Billy play yet you have the opinion that he couldnt play with Littel Joe,sorry that will not wash unless you are in La La Land.Had to see both to form a opinion.Just wanted to clear my mind. Now you are talking for Dodd,man you are on a roll.May need your insight when I play the lottery tonight.give me your cell so I can split the money with you with your vast knowledge of the future and the past.See you after dinner.

Not only stats I've based my opinion on the obvious progression of the game of football and that Hamilton put up better numbers against higher quality competition. Which you keep ignoring.

 

[GoldZ]

You have to draw a line somewhere in terms of comparing eras. After the black athlete was fully implemented, is a good place to draw said line. I mean just how far back do you wanna go for fair comparisons? Our '90 team of TWENTY+ YEARS ago would beat our upcoming team to a frigging pulp! Or, more dramatically, George Morris would injure most of our current starters on O before September! Ted Roof of almost 30 years ago would probably kill the only ones Morris missed.

The truly greats of yesterday are just that, truly great. Jack Johnson would make Tyson cry for his Mommy! Wilt Chamberlin would still score 100 points and screw 1000 women today.

And BOR, Lil Joe also had superior people on HIS side of the LOS than BL did. Miss dat?

 

[BarrelORum]

You forgot one very simple fact. The talent pool of highschool players back in the early 60's was infinitely smaller than it was in the late 90's and early 2000. The talent was relative to the people playing the game. Then, the talent pool was not nearly as strong as it was 35 years later. So the guys playing then were not only going against lesser competition, they on average were a lesser quality athlete. Not to mention they played prior to the emergence of the black athlete in college sports.

Lothridge may have been an exceptional athlete relative to the competition he played against and so was Joe Hamilton, and Joe Hamilton put up FAR SUPERIOR numbers against stiffer competition and a far superior athlete.

You guys have argued that Lothridge was bigger and more physical than Hamilton. Ok, I buy that. So if he was playing against lesser competition why were his numbers not nearly that great? And don't tell me **** was different then with offenses. Slinging Sammy Baugh had twice the stats that Lothridge had 30 years PRIOR in the same amounf of years.

Hamilton, an apparently lesser physical athlete, went up against better competition and more than quadrupled Lothridge's output.

The argument is not who is the better athlete, it is WHO WAS THE ALLTIME greatest QB at GT. Hollings was the best athlete I've ever seen play Runningback fo sure

NOW YOU ARE USING YOUR EYES TO MAKE A CHOICE ON WHO WAS A GREAT RUNNING BACK.ITS ABOUT TIME.WE SAW LOTHRIDGE PLAY AGAINST SEC TEAMS THAT WERE STRONG NOT A BASKETBALL ACC LEAGUE WHICH IN THE SIXTIES IF YOU WON SIX AND LOST FOUR YOU WERE CHAMPS.ITS FUNNY NOW YOU HAVE MAGICAL EYES AND YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE BUT DUDE YOU WERE NOT EVEN BORN WHEN BILLY PLAYED TO EVEN MAKE A ACESSMENT.NOW YOU ARE GETTING HEAT FROM FOLKS TRYING TO LEAD YOU OUT OF THE FOREST BUT YOU PERSIST.WE KNOW WHO WAS THE ALL AROUND BETTER QB AND IT AINT LITTLE JOE.NOW YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT THE TALENT POOL IS ABOUT ALL YOU HAVE TO HANG YOUR HAT ON SO I GUESS ATHLETES IN THE SIXTIES WOULDNT HAVE DONE WELL ON OUR DECENT TEAMS.GET A LIFE !! BILLY RULES DUDE,ADMIT IT.EYE WITNESS TESTIMONY IS THE BEST KIND OF EVIDENCE IN COURT,GET ON BOARD.

Its official. You're a ****ing idiot. And my point went so far over your ****ing retared head, it ain't worth repeating anymore. Lets line up every GT fan on the planet and ask them their opinion and lets see what you get. Poll time settles it!

 

[flushed 01]

This is a accurate post and i have seen all of them play, todays athletes faster, stronger and bigger. Bill Curry is a good example, do you think he would be an NFL center today, hell there are backs bigger than him.[/QUOT
Dudes nobody has said that the athlete of today taken in totallity is not better when it comes to speed and strength and coaching.What is clear is that the guys in the fifties and sixties could play today since they were the cream of the crop in college football back then.Lets take Curry at about 250 as a center for packers.What did he play at tech,center and ...............linebacker.Do you not think at 250 he couldnt play another postion in the pros.If folks dont look at each era then the guy who starts a blog about who is the best must disavow the older guys cause in his opinion they were playing lesser talent.Dont go for that but like we have said each opinion is correct.Ijust like lothridge form what I saw for three years close up vs little joe.Last I heard I had that right to choose.

Curry played in NFL at 231 lbs, todays centers average 303. Back then was back then it was white players against white players. There is a reason we were so dominant during the 50s and 60s, we didnt play against the black athletes. Since about 1970 we have had very few teams even win 9 games and most of the teams have won less. SEC factories can recruit big uglies that are only interested in NFL not calculus. The only great ones we usually get are skilled positions. Most are coming from poor back grounds due to no fault of their own and all they see are NFL dollars.

 

[stinger78]

Hamilton was the all time ACC leader in career yardage not to mention the QB for the #1 offense in the COUNTRY for two years straight...

Oh yeah... anyone could do that especially someone who completed less than 50% of his passes against sub standard competition.

:banghead:

Well... um... George Godsey put up more yard TWICE than Hamilton did. TWICE!

Hamilton had two great years the #1 year, and the #9 year in our history books. You continue to denigrate another runner up in the Heisman,and one who played 8 years in the NFL - with one freaking kidney - as if he's chump change. He was as tough a competitor as Lil Joe was. Different type athlete, but just as tough just as good.

You sir, are the moonbat.

aj, what do you suppose that Curry would weight in at today if he were playing under today's training conditions. Also, given the change in offensive style and rules that precipitated the change in OL size. It is quite possible that Curry would be a DL or LB instead of OL, but with his athletic talent and desire, he would have been a top player.

I'll put it to you the opposite way...

Most of the big hogmollies who play OL today wouldn't last 10 minutes on the girdiron under the game conditions and rules of 1963. They wouldn't be able to crab block like we had to. They wouldn't be able to sprint up and down the field like we had to. They wouldn't have been able to pull and get out front of the toss like we had to. They'd either be dead, on the bench or have lost 50 lbs by season's end.

 

[GTTerrific]

I don't think anyone's debating this, really. Now if you put Billy Lothridge into the training regimen that Joe Hamilton was in, and in the same pass-happy offense, which do you think would fare better?

That's the point I'm bringing up. I'm guessing Lothridge in the same environment as Joe would have a great chance at being better.

 

[BarrelORum]

Well... um... George Godsey put up more yard TWICE than Hamilton did. TWICE!

Hamilton had two great years the #1 year, and the #9 year in our history books. You continue to denigrate another runner up in the Heisman,and one who played 8 years in the NFL - with one freaking kidney - as if he's chump change. He was as tough a competitor as Lil Joe was. Different type athlete, but just as tough just as good.

You sir, are the moonbat.

Where did I say that? Go read the thread. I give Lothridge plenty of due. But when people tell me he was better than Hamilton, sorry, I have to laugh. Hamilton was on a different planet. Guys like Hamilton come around once in a 100 years and its evident by the record books.

 

[GEETEELEE]

Guys like Hamilton come around once in a 100 years and its evident by the record books.

O'Leary said "You won't see another one like him in 20 years".

Just had to interject....

 

[stinger78]

Where did I say that? Go read the thread. I give Lothridge plenty of due. But when people tell me he was better than Hamilton, sorry, I have to laugh. Hamilton was on a different planet. Guys like Hamilton come around once in a 100 years and its evident by the record books.

Dude!

Joe Hamilton was an awesome athlete and great QB.

But George Freaking Godsey beat his numbers 3 of Little Joe's 4 years.

Lothridge and King would have thrived in Fridge's offense.

 

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[BarrelORum]

Dude!

Joe Hamilton was an awesome athlete and great QB.

But George Freaking Godsey beat his numbers 3 of Little Joe's 4 years.

Lothridge and King would have thrived in Fridge's offense.

Only reason was because Godsey couldn't run the ****ing ball dummy. Fridge only used his spread passing offense with George because if he instituted the same systems he used for Lil Joe, Godsey would have been crushed and his passing stats would be down about 40%. Be quiet already. You got a say, go vote on it in the poll.

 

[stinger78]

Only reason was because Godsey couldn't run the ****ing ball dummy. Fridge only used his spread passing offense with George because if he instituted the same systems he used for Lil Joe, Godsey would have been crushed and his passing stats would be down about 40%. Be quiet already. You got a say, go vote on it in the poll.

Wait...

...

You're saying that the only reason that Godsey beat Joe's Total Offense numbers from 1996-1998 was because he COULDN'T run?



OK.

 

[flushed 01]

Only reason was because Godsey couldn't run the ****ing ball dummy. Fridge only used his spread passing offense with George because if he instituted the same systems he used for Lil Joe, Godsey would have been crushed and his passing stats would be down about 40%. Be quiet already. You got a say, go vote on it in the poll.

Godsey probably had Lothridge speed, there is film from that era.

 

[oldfoggy]

You said Hamilton didn't run the triple option, I just assumed you meant our triple option offensive formation. In reality, he did run a triple option you just didn't know it.

Hate to say this but show me where I said ANYTHING about the FORMATIONS. I didn't, so to make yourself feel good you have not only prevaricated a little but a LOT! Now if you think I'm wrong then show me where and I'll apologize. Besides Dodd used the Belly Series and variations of that formation. I've forgotten more about the great American game than most people ever knew.

 

[stinger78]

Godsey probably had Lothridge speed, there is film from that era.

Are you serious?

Lothridge was a backup DB and P in the NFL. He had 3 INT's in 1968 and returned one 44 yards. He couldn't play DB fulltime because he only had one kidney.

The guy was first in the NFL in punting yards in 1967 and 1968, and first in punting average in 1968.

He had to hang 'em up early because of his health issues.

The guy was a QB, K and P in college, and a P and DB in the NFL. He was quite the athlete.

Seriously, guys....

 

[mack]

Only reason was because Godsey couldn't run the ****ing ball dummy. Fridge only used his spread passing offense with George because if he instituted the same systems he used for Lil Joe, Godsey would have been crushed and his passing stats would be down about 40%. Be quiet already. You got a say, go vote on it in the poll.

AGAIN DUDE YOU MUST NOT HAVE MY MAGICAL EYES,REASON HE COULD NOT RUN MORE WAS HE WAS SO DAMN SLOW.HE EVEN ADMITTED IT HIMSELF.hEY WHY YOU ARE HOOKED ON A POLL TO GET THE OLD FARTS OFF YOUR ASS,HOW ABOUT RUNNING A POLL AND LETTING FOLKS SEE THE AGES OF THE VOTERS.wonder IF THAT WOULD NOT SCREW THINGS UP ABOUT WHO WAS AS GOOD AS bILLY.

 

[mack]

i was in school during the shawn jones years and had just graduated before the hamilton years. And between them, joe was better.

please add in your humble opinion.it makes you look more proper............

 

[mack]

Are you serious?

Lothridge was a backup DB and P in the NFL. He had 3 INT's in 1968 and returned one 44 yards. He couldn't play DB fulltime because he only had one kidney.

The guy was first in the NFL in punting yards in 1967 and 1968, and first in punting average in 1968.

He had to hang 'em up early because of his health issues.

The guy was a QB, K and P in college, and a P and DB in the NFL. He was quite the athlete.

Seriously, guys....

Oh yes but according to BOR he couldnt hack it and played against sub par players.Lets see Bama had a Leroy Jordan,maybe he was subpar,Ga has the Pete Cases,Mississippie had several horses yet BOR says the whole SEC in the sixties was subpar.wouldnt want to tell ole Leroy he couldnt hack it in the nineties.Would like to have several subpars named Leroy Jordan next year at Grant Field.