Bill Shanks interviews PJ

PJ thinks the Foundation should give money to the AA. I don't like the hillnerds but thats just pretty dumb. I don't want money I give to the Foundation to go to the AA.
 
79tech said:
It was a very interesting interview.

1) Hated Bobinski
2) Longest tenure in ACC and only behind Saban in SEC before retiring
3) Continues his crusade about money issues at GT
4) Critical of Ga Tech foundation - and I agree that I would like to see the Foundation give the athletic program money - however many companies will match alumni giving but cannot or will not match gifts for athletics. Can the Foundation give the athletic program money and still abide by company matching restrictions? IDK
5) 6 to 7 Power5 offers while at Tech- would love to know from whom. Said some were bad fits and others were bad timing. Also said discussions about coaching changes happen way before people think they do - I bet UGA had been talking to Smart for years
6) Didn't hate recruiting
7) Talks to Harbaugh of Baltimore occasionally
8) Said he knew over the last 3 or 4 years that he was wearing out - it happens after 40 years


I loved CPJ - he and Spurrier were the only coaches in football that were brave enough to turn down the PR filter. They still filtered but the dial was way turned down. While it's somewhat irritating to here the lack of money discussion - it may help the athletic department by raising awareness. I, for one, did not realize that the Foundation has as much money as it does. I've known the athletic program was getting by on boot strings. The one thing I would like to hear CPJ say is that he needed better players and wasn't getting them. But he did a great job.
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I get it that some of you guys really loved CPJ and I appreciate 3 wins over UGAg. But he is in no way shape or form as good as a coach Spurrier was. Please do not discuss them together. They are not even in the same league. You're talking about "pretty good" (CPJ) and "one of the best eva" (CSS).
 
johncu said:
This is such a stupid argument. You were all about us getting "dominated" by VT until we started beating them, and now you've flipped to Duke.

Yes, Duke owned us the last few years. Cutcliffe outcoached CPJ, just like he outcoached CGC and co. this year. But we had beaten UVA 2 of the last 3 years and 5 of the last 7. We're 3-3 against Pitt since they joined the ACC.

I don't know what to say to you regarding the scheme not helping. We went from perennially being one of the top 3 offenses in the ACC running the 3O to one of the worst offenses in all of Power 5. The scheme is pretty much the ONLY reason we won as much as we did. We can go back and forth all day long about its effect on recruiting, with some legitimate arguments to be made for both sides. It's a pretty tired argument at this point, though.

The fact is, we didn't do öööö from an administrative level to support our recruiting efforts. It's pretty clear that MBob did not want CPJ as coach, and was not willing to shell out for upgraded facilities, better assistant coaches, or an expanded recruiting office. Duke did all of that for Cutcliffe, and their program went from bottom-dweller to mediocre, and even won a division title in the process. That's an embarrassment that Duke, with basically no history whatsoever, would support their program more than us.
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while not under MBob, PJ got a $9 million practice facility in 2011, this coming immediately after the dismal 2010 season. We sure as hell didn't short PJ - the guy got about $30 million from us for being slightly better than Chan Gailey.

I'm tired of the false history that spending more $$ would've somehow resulted in more success for the PJ Regime. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that more recruiters would've been able to sway top HS talent into playing on either side of the ball for PJ any more than they were already doing.

The PJ scheme won about as often as the previous scheme. No amount of money was going to change that. No amount of money was going to magically convince better OL and DL to play for him. It's revisionist history to suggest otherwise, as there's no evidence to indicate that more $$ would've changed anything. This MBob conspiracy crap is right up there with Roswell and 9/11. You're better than that.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
I don’t really understand the “lack of money” issue. The players aren’t supposed to be paid. Players win games, and they are not a line item on the balance sheet. Are you really telling me that having 10-12 extra random no-name coaches on your payroll really helps you recruit better players?
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yeah it does. it gives you more eyeballs to watch tape on kids. it gives you more hands to send out letters and send tweets and IG posts to prospects. it gives you more people to comb through transcripts and weed out those who aren't going to cut it academically.
Doesn't Georgia use a lot of its sports management majors to do this kind of stuff as interns? I thought I read somewhere they had two dozen people doing that kind of grunt work and putting together all kinds of graphics targeted at individual prospects.
 
swampsting said:
yeah it does. it gives you more eyeballs to watch tape on kids. it gives you more hands to send out letters and send tweets and IG posts to prospects. it gives you more people to comb through transcripts and weed out those who aren't going to cut it academically.
Doesn't Georgia use a lot of its sports management majors to do this kind of stuff as interns? I thought I read somewhere they had two dozen people doing that kind of grunt work and putting together all kinds of graphics targeted at individual prospects.
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Doesn’t matter how big your marketing staff is if sales can’t close. Increasing recruiting staff for that crew would have been pissing money down the drain.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
while not under MBob, PJ got a $9 million practice facility in 2011, this coming immediately after the dismal 2010 season. We sure as hell didn't short PJ - the guy got about $30 million from us for being slightly better than Chan Gailey.
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Yes, we absolutely did short the program under CPJ.

Spending on Football Program in 2017:
  1. Florida State (No.2): $42.46 million
  2. Notre Dame* (No. 4): $38.97 million
  3. Clemson (No. 10): $34.67 million
  4. Virginia Tech (No. 16): $31.15 million
  5. Miami (No. 25): $28.47 million
  6. Duke (No. 36): $23.47 million
  7. North Carolina (No. 37): $23.46 million
  8. Louisville (No. 38): $23.43 million
  9. Syracuse (No. 39): $23.22 million
  10. Pittsburgh (No. 40): $23.13 million
  11. Boston College (No. 48): $21.35 million
  12. Virginia (No. 51): $20.33 million
  13. NC State (No. 54): $19.19 million
  14. Georgia Tech (No. 61): $17.38 million
  15. Wake Forest (No. 63): $16.61 million
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
while not under MBob, PJ got a $9 million practice facility in 2011, this coming immediately after the dismal 2010 season. We sure as hell didn't short PJ - the guy got about $30 million from us for being slightly better than Chan Gailey.

I'm tired of the false history that spending more $$ would've somehow resulted in more success for the PJ Regime. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that more recruiters would've been able to sway top HS talent into playing on either side of the ball for PJ any more than they were already doing.

The PJ scheme won about as often as the previous scheme. No amount of money was going to change that. No amount of money was going to magically convince better OL and DL to play for him. It's revisionist history to suggest otherwise, as there's no evidence to indicate that more $$ would've changed anything. This MBob conspiracy crap is right up there with Roswell and 9/11. You're better than that.
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Has anbody told CPJ how upset he makes you on a daily basis? The man has had your panties in a twist for over a decade, I bet he would get a chuckle out of that.


You really don't think having more money to pay for good coordinators and position coaches would have made a single bit of difference? To hire known coaching talent and recruiters instead of the D3 castoffs like Walkosky and Rychleski, among others? Because that's an incredibly dumb take if you do.
 
GTLiebs said:
So basically every argument against is irrelevant then if it doesn't involve a service academy?
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Comparing a large state-school factory running a non-TO offense to Georgia Tech, which is none of those, is a poor comparison, to put it politely.

Yes, if the service academies start magically pumping money into their football programs, it'd be a more apt comparison.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
Irrelevant. Clemson never ran the TO during that time period.
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I guess we should all email TStan and raise our displeasure at the millions we spent recently on new locker room, whatever that 2020 initiative will waste money on, and oh - I want my money back for those catapult systems CGC likes so much. All a waste since money doesn’t come into play in terms of team success.

Those catapault system things look like sports bras anyway. We should get our money back on that principle alone.


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You sound like a ööööing retard saying money doesn’t help a program.
 
OmnipoTech said:
Has anbody told CPJ how upset he makes you on a daily basis? The man has had your panties in a twist for over a decade, I bet he would get a chuckle out of that.


You really don't think having more money to pay for good coordinators and position coaches would have made a single bit of difference? To hire known coaching talent and recruiters instead of the D3 castoffs like Walkosky and Rychleski, among others? Because that's an incredibly dumb take if you do.
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Has anybody told PJ how erect his Johnsonian fan base still gets on a daily basis?

LOL - the guy had decent enough coordinators. He was just a lazy recruiter esp. on the D side, and both sides were hindered by the scheme. Time and again, quotes from former players back this up. All this excuse making for 11 years of dismal defense is hilarious. The belief that throwing more money at PJ's football program would've changed very much of anything is ludicrous and without any evidence.

We do know that PJ asked for, and received, a brand-new state-of-the-art practice facility in 2011 and we do know that recruiting didn't noticeably improve. We know that 4 DCs stunk up the joint.
 
swampsting said:
yeah it does. it gives you more eyeballs to watch tape on kids. it gives you more hands to send out letters and send tweets and IG posts to prospects. it gives you more people to comb through transcripts and weed out those who aren't going to cut it academically.
Doesn't Georgia use a lot of its sports management majors to do this kind of stuff as interns? I thought I read somewhere they had two dozen people doing that kind of grunt work and putting together all kinds of graphics targeted at individual prospects.
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But it does nothing to change the perception and desire of playing in that scheme, something you guys continually ignore.
 
johncu said:
Yes, we absolutely did short the program under CPJ.

Spending on Football Program in 2017:
  1. Florida State (No.2): $42.46 million
  2. Notre Dame* (No. 4): $38.97 million
  3. Clemson (No. 10): $34.67 million
  4. Virginia Tech (No. 16): $31.15 million
  5. Miami (No. 25): $28.47 million
  6. Duke (No. 36): $23.47 million
  7. North Carolina (No. 37): $23.46 million
  8. Louisville (No. 38): $23.43 million
  9. Syracuse (No. 39): $23.22 million
  10. Pittsburgh (No. 40): $23.13 million
  11. Boston College (No. 48): $21.35 million
  12. Virginia (No. 51): $20.33 million
  13. NC State (No. 54): $19.19 million
  14. Georgia Tech (No. 61): $17.38 million
  15. Wake Forest (No. 63): $16.61 million
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Moving the goal posts. I clearly said "Short PJ", who made out like a bandit for a barely-above-0.500 career here. $30,000,000+ ain't chump change.
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
I guess we should all email TStan and raise our displeasure at the millions we spent recently on new locker room, whatever that 2020 initiative will waste money on, and oh - I want my money back for those catapult systems CGC likes so much. All a waste since money doesn’t come into play in terms of team success.

Those catapault system things look like sports bras anyway. We should get our money back on that principle alone.


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You sound like a ööööing retard saying money doesn’t help a program.
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Never said that. I said that money would not have helped the PJ program because the TO hindered it from doing much more than it did.

Try to keep up. You Johnsonians sound like ööööing retards when it comes to reading comprehension sometimes.
 
ramblinwise1 said:
PJ thinks the Foundation should give money to the AA. I don't like the hillnerds but thats just pretty dumb. I don't want money I give to the Foundation to go to the AA.
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That’s not what he said. He said that donors likely do not know that money donated to the foundation does not go towards athletics. Now, that seems like an easy thing to explain, but there’s a difference.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
Never said that. I said that money would not have helped the PJ program because the TO hindered it from doing much more than it did.

Try to keep up. You Johnsonians sound like ööööing retards when it comes to reading comprehension sometimes.
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You again just said money wouldn’t help.

That’s dumb.

I can pull up quotes from Marco Coleman and Nate Burton when they were hired about how nice the new locker room is. They have perspective of old vs new Tech.

You actually think potential recruits didn’t share the same feeling thereby helping CPJ and staff close? That’s dumb but have fun with your PJ Derangement Syndrome.
 
johncu said:
Yes, we absolutely did short the program under CPJ.

Spending on Football Program in 2017:
  1. Florida State (No.2): $42.46 million
  2. Notre Dame* (No. 4): $38.97 million
  3. Clemson (No. 10): $34.67 million
  4. Virginia Tech (No. 16): $31.15 million
  5. Miami (No. 25): $28.47 million
  6. Duke (No. 36): $23.47 million
  7. North Carolina (No. 37): $23.46 million
  8. Louisville (No. 38): $23.43 million
  9. Syracuse (No. 39): $23.22 million
  10. Pittsburgh (No. 40): $23.13 million
  11. Boston College (No. 48): $21.35 million
  12. Virginia (No. 51): $20.33 million
  13. NC State (No. 54): $19.19 million
  14. Georgia Tech (No. 61): $17.38 million
  15. Wake Forest (No. 63): $16.61 million
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Frankly, from that list UNC and NC State have the most explaining to do. Given the sizes of their fan bases, getting outspent by Duke is pathetic.
 
knoxjacket said:
Doesn’t matter how big your marketing staff is if sales can’t close. Increasing recruiting staff for that crew would have been pissing money down the drain.
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PJs interview was interesting. I don’t disagree with anything he said. But he never acknowledged the obvious truth. And that was his triple-option system was as big as a handicap to his ability to recruit good players as the lack of money, alumni support or the size of our stadium.
 
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