Bill Shanks interviews PJ

18in32 said:
I don't agree with this sentiment. I absolutely believe GT can finish in the Top 10 for 5 straight years.

But the real reason for my response is to point out that while O'Leary did finish in the Top 25 for 5 straight years (with finishes of 25, 9, 20, 17, 24), what's more amazing is that his is the longest streak for final AP finishes in GT history. We finished ranked 10 of the 15 years from 1942 to 1956. Because of those 5 years of not being ranked ('45, '48-'50, and '54), we never had a ranked streak of more than 3 years until GOL came along. When you think about how many games we won in the 40's and 50's, that's kind of amazing.
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GOL also had flunkgate which was embarrassing and that should never happen again. I hope CGC brings the highs we had under CPJ without the low points.
 
veerbone said:
Look guys. I'm an outsider. I came in with Paul Johnson, and I checked out with Paul Johnson. Georgia Tech is a top tier athletic institution with a reputation that reaches around the globe.

Meanwhile, Alabama is known around the world (sports world I guess) as the equivalent in football.

If Alabama tried to compete with Georgia Tech in academics, you guys would all die laughing.

I think a lot of you don't realize what the typical 5 star kid is like. And I don't mean 5 star quarterbacks, I mean 5 star athletes. They barely qualify, get drool on their ACT, and have to have their high school coaches stay on their butts just to keep them eligible for HIGH SCHOOL.

Saban creates an entire staff who's job is to baby these guys until they're mature enough to go to class on their own and get their degree is general studies or recreational management. Those guys wouldn't stand a dog's chance of staying eligible at GT.

The key to winning is to do it different or do it better. I give GT all the credit in the world for doing it different with Johnson, and it paid off. But as I've said many times, you're never going to beat Georgia at their own game. You have to beat them the GT way, by being smarter. And like him or not, Johnson was smarter (talk to his peers in the coaching community if you disagree).

Collins is a great recruited and has been a successful defensive coordinator, but what worked at Temple won't work at Tech. He needs to hire an OC who thinks differently and isn't cookie cutter. Doesn't matter if it's run or pass, it can't be the same thing everyone else does.

GT will always be competitive because it attracts kids of the highest character, and those kinds of kids are hard to beat.
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I’m ecstatic that you were a CPJ fan and not a GT and don’t have continue to peddle this nonsense to other true fans. It’s so many flaws in this drivel that i don’t know where to start, but i guess I’ll start with the biggest one.

Sports are so specialized now that these athletes are now being trained on and off the field at an early age. These guys are 4*/ 5* and getting 1100-1200 SATs.

Also, I’m so sick of the “You are not going to out Uga, UGA”. I’m tired of this mediocre mindset. We don’t need to out UGA them. We need beat out the 15 other teams in the top 25 and become the dominant team in the Coastal which will put us a step closer to NY6 bowls and a CFP berth. I’m sick everyone wanting to settle for less. If the option was the magic answer 85% of P5 would be running.


So thank you for your time but we are good now
 
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GT65_UGA89 said:
The vacant club seats are frustrating. I was prepared to move from lower-upper east to club, but I was put on a waiting list and told that, while I qualify points wise to purchase club seats on even years, I don’t have enough points to purchases club seats on odd (UGA) years, unless I donate at a certain level -more than I’d care to donate at this time. I like my current seats, had them for years, aisle seating, so I don’t care to move elsewhere unless it’s club. And even then, from a sight line perspective, I still like where I’m at, but would move.
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Honestly, this doesn't make sense. There shouldn't be reserved seats for odd years; if you don't renew then your seats are not available. I am shocked that we would allow anyone to reserve alternate year seats.
 
veerbone said:
Look guys. I'm an outsider. I came in with Paul Johnson, and I checked out with Paul Johnson. Georgia Tech is a top tier athletic institution with a reputation that reaches around the globe.

Meanwhile, Alabama is known around the world (sports world I guess) as the equivalent in football.

If Alabama tried to compete with Georgia Tech in academics, you guys would all die laughing.

I think a lot of you don't realize what the typical 5 star kid is like. And I don't mean 5 star quarterbacks, I mean 5 star athletes. They barely qualify, get drool on their ACT, and have to have their high school coaches stay on their butts just to keep them eligible for HIGH SCHOOL.

Saban creates an entire staff who's job is to baby these guys until they're mature enough to go to class on their own and get their degree is general studies or recreational management. Those guys wouldn't stand a dog's chance of staying eligible at GT.

The key to winning is to do it different or do it better. I give GT all the credit in the world for doing it different with Johnson, and it paid off. But as I've said many times, you're never going to beat Georgia at their own game. You have to beat them the GT way, by being smarter. And like him or not, Johnson was smarter (talk to his peers in the coaching community if you disagree).

Collins is a great recruited and has been a successful defensive coordinator, but what worked at Temple won't work at Tech. He needs to hire an OC who thinks differently and isn't cookie cutter. Doesn't matter if it's run or pass, it can't be the same thing everyone else does.

GT will always be competitive because it attracts kids of the highest character, and those kinds of kids are hard to beat.
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ibeeballin said:
I’m ecstatic that you were a CPJ fan and not a GT and don’t have continue to peddle this nonsense to other true fans. It’s so many flaws in this drivel that i don’t know where to start, but i guess I’ll start with the biggest one.

Sports are so specialized that now that these athletes are now being trained on and off the field at an early age. These guys are 4*/ 5* and getting 1100-1200 SATs.

Also, I’m so sick of the “You are not going to out Uga, UGA”. I’m tired of this mediocre mindset. We don’t need to out UGA them. We need beat out the 15 other teams in the top 25 and become the dominant team in the Coastal which will put us a step closer to NY6 bowls and a CFP berth. I’m sick everyone wanting to settle for less. If the option was the magic answer 85% of P5 would be running.


So thank you for your time but we are good now
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ibeeballin said:
I’m ecstatic that you were a CPJ fan and not a GT and don’t have continue to peddle this nonsense to other true fans. It’s so many flaws in this drivel that i don’t know where to start, but i guess I’ll start with the biggest one.

Sports are so specialized that now that these athletes are now being trained on and off the field at an early age. These guys are 4*/ 5* and getting 1100-1200 SATs.

Also, I’m so sick of the “You are not going to out Uga, UGA”. I’m tired of this mediocre mindset. We don’t need to out UGA them. We need beat out the 15 other teams in the top 25 and become the dominant team in the Coastal which will put us a step closer to NY6 bowls and a CFP berth. I’m sick everyone wanting to settle for less. If the option was the magic answer 85% of P5 would be running.


So thank you for your time but we are good now
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It was a very interesting interview.

1) Hated Bobinski
2) Longest tenure in ACC and only behind Saban in SEC before retiring
3) Continues his crusade about money issues at GT
4) Critical of Ga Tech foundation - and I agree that I would like to see the Foundation give the athletic program money - however many companies will match alumni giving but cannot or will not match gifts for athletics. Can the Foundation give the athletic program money and still abide by company matching restrictions? IDK
5) 6 to 7 Power5 offers while at Tech- would love to know from whom. Said some were bad fits and others were bad timing. Also said discussions about coaching changes happen way before people think they do - I bet UGA had been talking to Smart for years
6) Didn't hate recruiting
7) Talks to Harbaugh of Baltimore occasionally
8) Said he knew over the last 3 or 4 years that he was wearing out - it happens after 40 years


I loved CPJ - he and Spurrier were the only coaches in football that were brave enough to turn down the PR filter. They still filtered but the dial was way turned down. While it's somewhat irritating to here the lack of money discussion - it may help the athletic department by raising awareness. I, for one, did not realize that the Foundation has as much money as it does. I've known the athletic program was getting by on boot strings. The one thing I would like to hear CPJ say is that he needed better players and wasn't getting them. But he did a great job.
 
CiraldoForever said:
Now that I know how he feels, I'm glad he's gone. I'd rather have a coach who wins two games but believes he can win the national championship at Tech one day, than a coach who wins seven games, but believes he can never win a national championship at Tech.

I always liked him, but he sounds more like a Paul Johnson man than a Tech man. All he did was talk about Tech's disadvantages, not a word about what makes Tech great. Maybe that's why he didn't recruit better.

He says the alums don't know the Foundation doesn't help athletics. Seems to me that it was part of his job to tell people about stuff like that. Says he was hired to win games, not put people in the NFL. Seems like a big time college coach can't do one without doing the other.

Love to know who all the Power Five schools seriously talking with him about jobs are. Six or eight while he was at Tech and two since he retired? Why didn't he take one of those offers and get away from Mission:Impossible and get that 80,000 seat stadium he wanted?
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I like CPJ but don’t buy that two Power 5 schools have contacted him since he retired.
 
79tech said:
It was a very interesting interview.

1) Hated Bobinski
2) Longest tenure in ACC and only behind Saban in SEC before retiring
3) Continues his crusade about money issues at GT
4) Critical of Ga Tech foundation - and I agree that I would like to see the Foundation give the athletic program money - however many companies will match alumni giving but cannot or will not match gifts for athletics. Can the Foundation give the athletic program money and still abide by company matching restrictions? IDK
5) 6 to 7 Power5 offers while at Tech- would love to know from whom. Said some were bad fits and others were bad timing. Also said discussions about coaching changes happen way before people think they do - I bet UGA had been talking to Smart for years
6) Didn't hate recruiting
7) Talks to Harbaugh of Baltimore occasionally
8) Said he knew over the last 3 or 4 years that he was wearing out - it happens after 40 years


I loved CPJ - he and Spurrier were the only coaches in football that were brave enough to turn down the PR filter. They still filtered but the dial was way turned down. While it's somewhat irritating to here the lack of money discussion - it may help the athletic department by raising awareness. I, for one, did not realize that the Foundation has as much money as it does. I've known the athletic program was getting by on boot strings. The one thing I would like to hear CPJ say is that he needed better players and wasn't getting them. But he did a great job.
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I don’t really understand the “lack of money” issue. The players aren’t supposed to be paid. Players win games, and they are not a line item on the balance sheet. Are you really telling me that having 10-12 extra random no-name coaches on your payroll really helps you recruit better players?
 
Tampa Jacket said:
I don’t really understand the “lack of money” issue. The players aren’t supposed to be paid. Players win games, and they are not a line item on the balance sheet. Are you really telling me that having 10-12 extra random no-name coaches on your payroll really helps you recruit better players?
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The lack of money is just another excuse. The guy refused to get in his SUV and recruit metro ATL effectively. He was more interested in Xs and Os than what it took to run a top-notch P5 program. We aren't Navy and we sure as öööö ain't Southern.
For all the $$ Duke is spending, they're recruiting at a very similar level to us, yet dominated PJ's last half of his time here.
No amount of $$ was going to get a 2008-type class to commit to playing in PJ's scheme nor on any of his defenses. We were going to be a QB Keeper offense with small OL guys diving at ankles, ignored WRs, shitty PKs, dismal defense, ignored ST, and people complaining about Sewak for as long as PJ was here, I don't give a crap if we gave him a billion $$$.
The excuse making got old - glad it's over and we have a guy in there now who at least talks positively rather than the negative BS all the time.
 
Attractiveness of scheme matters. Marketing, branding and energy can transcend money...but money usually matters.

For ST experts...are there any examples of programs spending at the current GT level but achieving excellent (albeit not top factory) results, in terms of recruiting, rankings, winning records?

If not, what does the gap look like? Any comparables come to mind, schools vaguely like GT, doing well, spending some realistic additional money? What do they spend it on vs us? Is Clemson a realistic prototype?

I like to support AA but have given a lot more to engineering school and they spent that money very responsibly. Have to admit things like paying multiple HC buyouts is discouraging, like pissing away money, deals I would never do in my business life. Maybe that’s just how it is.
 
veerbone said:
OK, O Leary had success, but it was a down period for college football as a whole, and no one outside of Atlanta doesn't consider Colorado the 1990 national Champs.
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Oh look. Further confirmation that the Johnson first butt-buddies were ööööing worthless fans and didn’t give two shits about Georgia Tech.

Don’t forget to kill yourself.
 
Diseqc said:
Oh look. Further confirmation that the Johnson first butt-buddies were ööööing worthless fans and didn’t give two öööös about Georgia Tech.

Don’t forget to kill yourself.
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I salute those who became Tech fans with Johnson and stayed.

But this group of option enthusiasts who arrived with Johnson and have more or less departed with Johnson (save staying around to crap on Tech) can get bent. That group of “fans” is like locusts.
 
I've said for years there were "Scheme First, School Second fans" who worshiped the coach rather than the team.
Sux to be right all the time.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
The lack of money is just another excuse. The guy refused to get in his SUV and recruit metro ATL effectively. He was more interested in Xs and Os than what it took to run a top-notch P5 program. We aren't Navy and we sure as öööö ain't Southern.
For all the $$ Duke is spending, they're recruiting at a very similar level to us, yet dominated PJ's last half of his time here.
No amount of $$ was going to get a 2008-type class to commit to playing in PJ's scheme nor on any of his defenses. We were going to be a QB Keeper offense with small OL guys diving at ankles, ignored WRs, ööööty PKs, dismal defense, ignored ST, and people complaining about Sewak for as long as PJ was here, I don't give a crap if we gave him a billion $$$.
The excuse making got old - glad it's over and we have a guy in there now who at least talks positively rather than the negative BS all the time.
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The more money and staff you have to focus on scouting and recruiting, the more your coaches can focus on coaching and just serve as closers when it comes to recruiting. Obviously money wouldn't solve all our problems, but it would absolutely make a difference.

You love to harp on the fact that Duke caught up to us in football, but are completely ignoring the fact that they are outspending us by a wide margin and have been for years. Are you really that ignorant, or are you being willfully blind? Dabo's a great guy, but don't you think all that money pouring into IPTAY has a pretty big effect on their recruiting?

The rest of your post is so pathetic it's not even worth a response. Your little rants like this are every bit as bad as the GT fans celebrating our losses because they're butthurt about CPJ leaving.
 
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