12-School (5-7) Playoff / 1998-Present

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From: https://csnbbs.com/thread-984787.html
If the 5-7 model were utilized since the start of the BCS. For this, the final BCS/CFP polls were used. Conference championship ties broke for the higher ranked school. The semifinals/quarterfinal bowl locations follow the current pattern retroactively. Then-current conferences. Numbers are seedings. A total of 63 schools.

First, bids by school and future conference:

School
20 - Ohio St
17 - Oklahoma
15 - Alabama
13 - Georgia
12 - Florida
11 - LSU, Oregon
10 - Florida St, Penn St, USC
9 - Kansas St, Michigan, Notre Dame, Texas
8 - Clemson, Wisconsin
7 - Auburn, Virginia Tech
6 - Boise St, Miami (FL), Michigan St, Stanford, TCU, Washington
5 - Baylor, Tennessee, Utah
4 - Cincinnati, Iowa, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska
3 - Arkansas, Oklahoma St, South Carolina, Texas A&M
2 - Arizona, Central Florida, Colorado, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Washington St, West Virginia
1 - Arizona St, California, Coastal Carolina, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa St, Kansas, Marshall, Maryland, Miami (OH), Mississippi St, North Carolina, Northern Illinois, Oregon St, Pittsburgh, Texas Tech, Tulane, UCLA, Virginia

Future power schools with 0 appearances: Boston College, BYU, Duke, Houston, Kentucky, Minnesota, North Carolina St, Northwestern, Purdue, Rutgers, SMU, Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest

Future Conference
107 - SEC
92 - B1G
45 - ACC
44 - XII
7 - MWC
3 - Unknown
2 - MAC, SBC
1 - AAC
0 - CUSA

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2009

First Round:
A - #12 LSU @ #5 Florida
B - #11 Virginia Tech @ #6 Boise St
C - #10 Iowa @ #7 Oregon
D - #9 Georgia Tech @ #8 Ohio St

Quarterfinal:
Sugar Bowl - #1 Alabama vs Winner of D
Rose Bowl - #2 Texas vs Winner of C
Peach Bowl - #3 Cincinnati vs Winner of B
Fiesta Bowl - #4 TCU vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Cotton Bowl & Orange Bowl


2014

First Round:
A - #12 Georgia Tech @ #5 Baylor
B - #11 Kansas St @ #6 TCU
C - #10 Arizona @ #7 Mississippi St
D - #9 Mississippi @ #8 Michigan St

Quarterfinal:
Peach Bowl - #1 Alabama vs Winner of D
Fiesta Bowl - #2 Oregon vs Winner of C
Orange Bowl - #3 Florida St vs Winner of B
Cotton Bowl - #4 Ohio St vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Rose Bowl & Sugar Bowl
 
C'mon man, how did we get snubbed in 1998? We were ranked #12 going into the Gator Bowl. Should've been in the quarterfinals @ K-State.

How did UVA finish above us after losing head to head? Friggin thing has been rigged from the beginning.
 
GTFLETCH said:
From: https://csnbbs.com/thread-984787.html
If the 5-7 model were utilized since the start of the BCS. For this, the final BCS/CFP polls were used. Conference championship ties broke for the higher ranked school. The semifinals/quarterfinal bowl locations follow the current pattern retroactively. Then-current conferences. Numbers are seedings. A total of 63 schools.

First, bids by school and future conference:

School
20 - Ohio St
17 - Oklahoma
15 - Alabama
13 - Georgia
12 - Florida
11 - LSU, Oregon
10 - Florida St, Penn St, USC
9 - Kansas St, Michigan, Notre Dame, Texas
8 - Clemson, Wisconsin
7 - Auburn, Virginia Tech
6 - Boise St, Miami (FL), Michigan St, Stanford, TCU, Washington
5 - Baylor, Tennessee, Utah
4 - Cincinnati, Iowa, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska
3 - Arkansas, Oklahoma St, South Carolina, Texas A&M
2 - Arizona, Central Florida, Colorado, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Washington St, West Virginia
1 - Arizona St, California, Coastal Carolina, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa St, Kansas, Marshall, Maryland, Miami (OH), Mississippi St, North Carolina, Northern Illinois, Oregon St, Pittsburgh, Texas Tech, Tulane, UCLA, Virginia

Future power schools with 0 appearances: Boston College, BYU, Duke, Houston, Kentucky, Minnesota, North Carolina St, Northwestern, Purdue, Rutgers, SMU, Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest

Future Conference
107 - SEC
92 - B1G
45 - ACC
44 - XII
7 - MWC
3 - Unknown
2 - MAC, SBC
1 - AAC
0 - CUSA

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2009

First Round:
A - #12 LSU @ #5 Florida
B - #11 Virginia Tech @ #6 Boise St
C - #10 Iowa @ #7 Oregon
D - #9 Georgia Tech @ #8 Ohio St

Quarterfinal:
Sugar Bowl - #1 Alabama vs Winner of D
Rose Bowl - #2 Texas vs Winner of C
Peach Bowl - #3 Cincinnati vs Winner of B
Fiesta Bowl - #4 TCU vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Cotton Bowl & Orange Bowl


2014

First Round:
A - #12 Georgia Tech @ #5 Baylor
B - #11 Kansas St @ #6 TCU
C - #10 Arizona @ #7 Mississippi St
D - #9 Mississippi @ #8 Michigan St

Quarterfinal:
Peach Bowl - #1 Alabama vs Winner of D
Fiesta Bowl - #2 Oregon vs Winner of C
Orange Bowl - #3 Florida St vs Winner of B
Cotton Bowl - #4 Ohio St vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Rose Bowl & Sugar Bowl
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2014 we would’ve been replaced by highest G5 school right? Or is the assumption that’s not a thing. I guess 5-7 means highest 5 conference champs then next 7.
 
This is all why continue to say that any fan of any mid level team, including GT, who is against playoff expansion is ignorant. Wouldn‘t it be nice knowing that once every 5 seasons we have a chance to dance. And with an expansion to 24 plus with the right head coach we could be dancing every 2 or 3 years. How often would we have been invited in a 24 teamed when Johnson was our coach? You guys who are brainwashed into believing that no team with 2 or more losses should have a shot at a Natty are just gullible victims of the corrupt bowl era spoon fed propaganda. The future will prove that the best team can have 2-3 losses just like in every other sport.
 
OptionJacket said:
This is all why continue to say that any fan of any mid level team, including GT, who is against playoff expansion is ignorant. Wouldn‘t it be nice knowing that once every 5 seasons we have a chance to dance. And with an expansion to 24 plus with the right head coach we could be dancing every 2 or 3 years. How often would we have been invited in a 24 teamed when Johnson was our coach? You guys who are brainwashed into believing that no team with 2 or more losses should have a shot at a Natty are just gullible victims of the corrupt bowl era spoon fed propaganda. The future will prove that the best team can have 2-3 losses just like in every other sport.
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Expansion is fine. Making it at large heavy is not.
 
GTCrew4b said:
Expansion is fine. Making it at large heavy is not.
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I agree. But making the field larger will make it much harder to put a 7-5 Miss St in over a 9-3 GT. Right now, the thieves have no problem putting in teams with losses over undefeated teams, whether P4 or not. In this 12 teamer they’ll come up with plausible explanations (like they just did with FSU) to leave out 11-1 GT’s to let in 10-2 Ole Miss types. Once we get to 24 plus the SEC and BIG will be happy getting 8 teams in a piece and then letting the 1 and 2 loss teams from the 2nd tier in. Right now, the only ACC or Big 12 teams that will get in are the champs. I’m telling you the day is coming where we will beat UGA and finish 9-3 or 10-2 and they’ll get an invite and we won’t (neither winning their conference). Folks on this board will go crazy but they just did it to FSU who beat 3 SEC teams AND won the conference and we had GT fans approve this. You gotta give Sankey credit. Dude is an incredible businessman. Meanwhile, the ACC commish has his picture on milk cartons.
 
JoltinJacket said:
C'mon man, how did we get snubbed in 1998? We were ranked #12 going into the Gator Bowl. Should've been in the quarterfinals @ K-State.

How did UVA finish above us after losing head to head? Friggin thing has been rigged from the beginning.
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Correct 1998 should be: (FWIW, the original poster has UVA, and I have asked why?)

1998

First Round:
A - #12 Georgia Tech @ #5 Kansas St
B - #11 Nebraska @ #6 Texas A&M
C - #10 Tulane @ #7 Arizona
D - #9 Wisconsin @ #8 Florida

Quarterfinal:
Sugar Bowl - #1 Tennessee vs Winner of D
Orange Bowl - #2 Florida St vs Winner of C
Rose Bowl - #3 Ohio St vs Winner of B
Cotton Bowl - #4 UCLA vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Fiesta Bowl & Peach Bowl
 
GTCrew4b said:
2014 we would’ve been replaced by highest G5 school right? Or is the assumption that’s not a thing. I guess 5-7 means highest 5 conference champs then next 7.
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A "5+7" format that employs "Power Four" conference champions 9BIG10/SEC/ACC/BIG12) and one Group of Five team, with the next seven schools in the rankings making it as at-larges.

1998
First Round:
A - #12 Georgia Tech @ #5 Kansas St
B - #11 Nebraska @ #6 Texas A&M
C - #10 Tulane @ #7 Arizona
D - #9 Wisconsin @ #8 Florida

Quarterfinal:
Sugar Bowl - #1 Tennessee vs Winner of D
Orange Bowl - #2 Florida St vs Winner of C
Rose Bowl - #3 Ohio St vs Winner of B
Cotton Bowl - #4 UCLA vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Fiesta Bowl & Peach Bowl

1999
First Round:
A - #12 Marshall @ #5 Tennessee
B - #11 Penn St @ #6 Kansas St
C - #10 Florida @ #7 Wisconsin
D - #9 Michigan St @ #8 Michigan

Quarterfinal:
Orange Bowl - #1 Florida St vs Winner of D
Peach Bowl - #2 Virginia Tech vs Winner of C
Cotton Bowl - #3 Nebraska vs Winner of B
Fiesta Bowl - #4 Alabama vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Rose Bowl & Sugar Bowl

2000
First Round:
A - #12 Texas @ #5 Virginia Tech
B - #11 Notre Dame @ #6 Oregon St
C - #10 Oregon @ #7 Florida
D - #9 Kansas St @ #8 Nebraska

Quarterfinal:
Sugar Bowl - #1 Oklahoma vs Winner of D
Peach Bowl - #2 Florida St vs Winner of C
Fiesta Bowl - #3 Miami (FL) vs Winner of B
Rose Bowl - #4 Washington vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Cotton Bowl & Orange Bowl

2001
First Round:
A - #12 Washington St @ #5 Nebraska
B - #11 Oklahoma @ #6 Florida
C - #10 Maryland @ #7 Tennessee
D - #9 Stanford @ #8 Texas

Quarterfinal:
Orange Bowl - #1 Miami (FL) vs Winner of D
Cotton Bowl - #2 Colorado vs Winner of C
Rose Bowl - #3 Oregon vs Winner of B
Sugar Bowl - #4 Illinois vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Fiesta Bowl & Peach Bowl

2002
First Round:
A - #12 Penn St @ #5 Iowa
B - #11 Michigan @ #6 Washington St
C - #10 Texas @ #7 Oklahoma
D - #9 Notre Dame @ #8 Kansas St

Quarterfinal:
Orange Bowl - #1 Miami (FL) vs Winner of D
Cotton Bowl - #2 Ohio St vs Winner of C
Peach Bowl - #3 Georgia vs Winner of B
Fiesta Bowl - #4 USC vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Rose Bowl & Sugar Bowl

2003
First Round:
A - #12 Georgia @ #5 Oklahoma
B - #11 Miami (OH) @ #6 Ohio St
C - #10 Kansas St @ #7 Texas
D - #9 Miami (FL) @ #8 Tennessee

Quarterfinal:
Sugar Bowl - #1 LSU vs Winner of D
Rose Bowl - #2 USC vs Winner of C
Fiesta Bowl - #3 Michigan vs Winner of B
Peach Bowl - #4 Florida St vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Cotton Bowl & Orange Bowl

2004
First Round:
A - #12 Iowa @ #5 Texas
B - #11 LSU @ #6 California
C - #10 Louisville @ #7 Georgia
D - #9 Boise St @ #8 Virginia Tech

Quarterfinal:
Rose Bowl - #1 USC vs Winner of D
Cotton Bowl - #2 Oklahoma vs Winner of C
Sugar Bowl - #3 Auburn vs Winner of B
Orange Bowl - #4 Utah vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Fiesta Bowl & Peach Bowl

2005
First Round:
A - #12 LSU @ #5 Ohio St
B - #11 West Virginia @ #6 Oregon
C - #10 Virginia Tech @ #7 Notre Dame
D - #9 Auburn @ #8 Miami (FL)

Quarterfinal:
Fiesta Bowl - #1 USC vs Winner of D
Cotton Bowl - #2 Texas vs Winner of C
Orange Bowl - #3 Penn St vs Winner of B
Peach Bowl - #4 Georgia vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Rose Bowl & Sugar Bowl

2006
First Round:
A - #12 Arkansas @ #5 Michigan
B - #11 Notre Dame @ #6 LSU
C - #10 Oklahoma @ #7 Wisconsin
D - #9 Auburn @ #8 Boise St

Quarterfinal:
Rose Bowl - #1 Ohio St vs Winner of D
Peach Bowl - #2 Florida vs Winner of C
Fiesta Bowl - #3 USC vs Winner of B
Sugar Bowl - #4 Louisville vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Cotton Bowl & Orange Bowl

2007
First Round:
A - #12 Florida @ #5 Georgia
B - #11 Arizona St @ #6 Missouri
C - #10 Hawaii @ #7 USC
D - #9 West Virginia @ #8 Kansas

Quarterfinal:
Rose Bowl - #1 Ohio St vs Winner of D
Sugar Bowl - #2 LSU vs Winner of C
Orange Bowl - #3 Virginia Tech vs Winner of B
Cotton Bowl - #4 Oklahoma vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Fiesta Bowl & Peach Bowl

2008
First Round:
A - #12 Cincinnati @ #5 Texas
B - #11 TCU @ #6 Alabama
C - #10 Ohio St @ #7 Texas Tech
D - #9 Boise St @ #8 Penn St

Quarterfinal:
Cotton Bowl - #1 Oklahoma vs Winner of D
Orange Bowl - #2 Florida vs Winner of C
Fiesta Bowl - #3 USC vs Winner of B
Peach Bowl - #4 Utah vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Rose Bowl & Sugar Bowl

2009
First Round:
A - #12 LSU @ #5 Florida
B - #11 Virginia Tech @ #6 Boise St
C - #10 Iowa @ #7 Oregon
D - #9 Georgia Tech @ #8 Ohio St

Quarterfinal:
Sugar Bowl - #1 Alabama vs Winner of D
Rose Bowl - #2 Texas vs Winner of C
Peach Bowl - #3 Cincinnati vs Winner of B
Fiesta Bowl - #4 TCU vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Cotton Bowl & Orange Bowl

2010
First Round:
A - #12 Missouri @ #5 Stanford
B - #11 LSU @ #6 Ohio St
C - #10 Boise St @ #7 Oklahoma
D - #9 Michigan St @ #8 Arkansas

Quarterfinal:
Sugar Bowl - #1 Auburn vs Winner of D
Rose Bowl - #2 Oregon vs Winner of C
Cotton Bowl - #3 TCU vs Winner of B
Orange Bowl - #4 Wisconsin vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Fiesta Bowl & Peach Bowl

2011
First Round:
A - #12 Marshall @ #5 Tennessee
B - #11 Penn St @ #6 Kansas St
C - #10 Florida @ #7 Wisconsin
D - #9 Michigan St @ #8 Michigan

Quarterfinal:
Cotton Bowl - #1 LSU vs Winner of D
Fiesta Bowl - #2 Oklahoma St vs Winner of C
Orange Bowl - #3 Oregon vs Winner of B
Peach Bowl - #4 Boise St vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Rose Bowl & Sugar Bowl

2012
First Round:
A - #12 Northern Illinois @ #5 Notre Dame
B - #11 South Carolina @ #6 Florida
C - #10 Texas A&M @ #7 Oregon
D - #9 LSU @ #8 Georgia

Quarterfinal:
Sugar Bowl - #1 Alabama vs Winner of D
Fiesta Bowl - #2 Kansas St vs Winner of C
Rose Bowl - #3 Stanford vs Winner of B
Peach Bowl - #4 Florida St vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Cotton Bowl & Orange Bowl

2013
First Round:
A - #12 Clemson @ #5 Alabama
B - #11 Oklahoma @ #6 Baylor
C - #10 Oregon @ #7 Ohio St
D - #9 South Carolina @ #8 Missouri

Quarterfinal:
Orange Bowl - #1 Florida St vs Winner of D
Sugar Bowl - #2 Auburn vs Winner of C
Rose Bowl - #3 Michigan St vs Winner of B
Cotton Bowl - #4 Stanford vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Fiesta Bowl & Peach Bowl

2014
First Round:
A - #12 Georgia Tech @ #5 Baylor
B - #11 Kansas St @ #6 TCU
C - #10 Arizona @ #7 Mississippi St
D - #9 Mississippi @ #8 Michigan St

Quarterfinal:
Peach Bowl - #1 Alabama vs Winner of D
Fiesta Bowl - #2 Oregon vs Winner of C
Orange Bowl - #3 Florida St vs Winner of B
Cotton Bowl - #4 Ohio St vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Rose Bowl & Sugar Bowl

2015
First Round:
A - #12 Mississippi @ #5 Iowa
B - #11 TCU @ #6 Stanford
C - #10 North Carolina @ #7 Ohio St
D - #9 Florida St @ #8 Notre Dame

Quarterfinal:
Peach Bowl - #1 Clemson vs Winner of D
Sugar Bowl - #2 Alabama vs Winner of C
Rose Bowl - #3 Michigan St vs Winner of B
Fiesta Bowl - #4 Oklahoma vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Cotton Bowl & Orange Bowl

2016
First Round:
A - #12 Oklahoma St @ #5 Ohio St
B - #11 Florida St @ #6 Michigan
C - #10 Colorado @ #7 Oklahoma
D - #9 USC @ #8 Wisconsin

Quarterfinal:
Sugar Bowl - #1 Alabama vs Winner of D
Orange Bowl - #2 Clemson vs Winner of C
Rose Bowl - #3 Washington vs Winner of B
Cotton Bowl - #4 Penn St vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Fiesta Bowl & Peach Bowl

2017
First Round:
A - #12 Central Florida @ #5 Alabama
B - #11 Washington @ #6 Wisconsin
C - #10 Miami (FL) @ #7 Auburn
D - #9 Penn St @ #8 USC

Quarterfinal:
Peach Bowl - #1 Clemson vs Winner of D
Cotton Bowl - #2 Oklahoma vs Winner of C
Orange Bowl - #3 Georgia vs Winner of B
Fiesta Bowl - #4 Ohio St vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Rose Bowl & Sugar Bowl

2018
First Round:
A - #12 Penn St @ #5 Notre Dame
B - #11 LSU @ #6 Georgia
C - #10 Florida @ #7 Michigan
D - #9 Washington @ #8 Central Florida

Quarterfinal:
Sugar Bowl - #1 Alabama vs Winner of D
Peach Bowl - #2 Clemson vs Winner of C
Fiesta Bowl - #3 Oklahoma vs Winner of B
Rose Bowl - #4 Ohio St vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Cotton Bowl & Orange Bowl

2019
First Round:
A - #12 Auburn @ #5 Georgia
B - #11 Utah @ #6 Oregon
C - #10 Penn St @ #7 Baylor
D - #9 Florida @ #8 Wisconsin

Quarterfinal:
Sugar Bowl - #1 LSU vs Winner of D
Rose Bowl - #2 Ohio St vs Winner of C
Orange Bowl - #3 Clemson vs Winner of B
Cotton Bowl - #4 Oklahoma vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Fiesta Bowl & Peach Bowl

2020
First Round:
A - #12 Coastal Carolina @ #5 Notre Dame
B - #11 Indiana @ #6 Texas A&M
C - #10 Iowa St @ #7 Florida
D - #9 Georgia @ #8 Cincinnati

Quarterfinal:
Peach Bowl - #1 Alabama vs Winner of D
Orange Bowl - #2 Clemson vs Winner of C
Cotton Bowl - #3 Ohio St vs Winner of B
Fiesta Bowl - #4 Oklahoma vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Rose Bowl & Sugar Bowl

2021
First Round:
A - #12 Pittsburgh @ #5 Georgia
B - #11 Utah @ #6 Notre Dame
C - #10 Michigan St @ #7 Ohio St
D - #9 Oklahoma St @ #8 Mississippi

Quarterfinal:
Sugar Bowl - #1 Alabama vs Winner of D
Rose Bowl - #2 Michigan vs Winner of C
Peach Bowl - #3 Cincinnati vs Winner of B
Fiesta Bowl - #4 Baylor vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Cotton Bowl & Orange Bowl

2022
First Round:
A - #12 Washington @ #5 TCU
B - #11 Penn St @ #6 Ohio St
C - #10 USC @ #7 Alabama
D - #9 Kansas St @ #8 Tennessee

Quarterfinal:
Orange Bowl - #1 Georgia vs Winner of D
Rose Bowl - #2 Michigan vs Winner of C
Sugar Bowl - #3 Clemson vs Winner of B
Cotton Bowl - #4 Utah vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Fiesta Bowl & Peach Bowl

2023
First Round:
A - #12 Oklahoma @ #5 Florida St
B - #11 Mississippi @ #6 Georgia
C - #10 Penn St @ #7 Ohio St
D - #9 Missouri @ #8 Oregon

Quarterfinal:
Orange Bowl - #1 Michigan vs Winner of D
Fiesta Bowl - #2 Washington vs Winner of C
Cotton Bowl - #3 Texas vs Winner of B
Peach Bowl - #4 Alabama vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Rose Bowl & Sugar Bowl

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OptionJacket said:
This is all why continue to say that any fan of any mid level team, including GT, who is against playoff expansion is ignorant. Wouldn‘t it be nice knowing that once every 5 seasons we have a chance to dance. And with an expansion to 24 plus with the right head coach we could be dancing every 2 or 3 years. How often would we have been invited in a 24 teamed when Johnson was our coach? You guys who are brainwashed into believing that no team with 2 or more losses should have a shot at a Natty are just gullible victims of the corrupt bowl era spoon fed propaganda. The future will prove that the best team can have 2-3 losses just like in every other sport.
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The problem is the motivation behind it is money, not logic. So it creates the illusion that it’s good for the little guy while inevitably helping the big guys more. 10-2 GT is probably gonna get left out for 8-4 LSU. Which seems unfathomable, but so did an undefeated P5 getting left out of a four team playoff - another expansion that was motivated by money under the guise of fairness.

I just don’t understand how putting a 3/4 loss team (the SEC will for sure be getting a 4 loss team into a 12 team playoff at some point) makes any sense. We just played a full conference season to figure out this hypothetical LSU team wasn’t as good as four other SEC teams. Why do we need to play more games to give them a chance? What was the point of the regular season games? They were essentially meaningless at that point. Why did we even watch them?

A playoff should consist of conference champs only. Settled on the field. Without formulas or eye tests.
 
gtrower said:
The problem is the motivation behind it is money, not logic. So it creates the illusion that it’s good for the little guy while inevitably helping the big guys more. 10-2 GT is probably gonna get left out for 8-4 LSU. Which seems unfathomable, but so did an undefeated P5 getting left out of a four team playoff - another expansion that was motivated by money under the guise of fairness.

I just don’t understand how putting a 3/4 loss team (the SEC will for sure be getting a 4 loss team into a 12 team playoff at some point) makes any sense. We just played a full conference season to figure out this hypothetical LSU team wasn’t as good as four other SEC teams. Why do we need to play more games to give them a chance? What was the point of the regular season games? They were essentially meaningless at that point. Why did we even watch them?

A playoff should consist of conference champs only. Settled on the field. Without formulas or eye tests.
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I hear you and absolutely see your logic. I just see it differently. While I understand your logic, I think it comes from a place of brainwashing (not literally of course). This sport of D1 football has been so corrupt and dysfunctional for 100 years that viewpoints and logic have been purposefully and intentionally manipulated by the power brokers. The power brokers use to be media who voted for their regional teams to win Natties along with the the bowl executives who manipulated bowl match ups. Now the power brokers are the media, TV execs, and committee members who are still manipulating viewpoints thru the media they run. And 90% of the fans have no clue because they don’t really care like we do. They’ll just get pissed and act like the world is ending when their team gets “FSU’d”. And it’s going to happen to every school not in the SEC or BIG at some point over the life of the current 12 team contract.

You ask, why do we have to play more games and what was the point of the regular season? To that I say, why should the regular season be the sole decider? In what other sport does one loss in a regular season cancel out 12 months of preparation? You’ve been manipulated since birth by the media and bowls to believe that D1 football is somehow that one sport where a loss in game 1 in August removes all your hope. I am very happy that the regular season will be diminished in D1 college football because the regular season should build toward something special in a post season and allow teams to bond and get better without being thrown on the scrap heap after 1 or 2 losses. And regular season conference champs are easily manipulated because of unbalanced schedules. How many years did GT miss out on ACCCG opportunity because we played a cross over game of Clemson while VT played BC? And if you look at it objectively, the regular season for D1 football basically sucks because teams have learned to manipulate it. We have all seen UGA play 3 game regular seasons and schedule byes or cupcakes before every big game. For every 1 Bama-LSU type regular season game you have 10 craptastic Bama-UT Chattanooga type games.

Why do the Masters play 4 rounds instead of just 1? Why don’t the NFL, NBA, MLB, NASCAR, D2, and every other sport just play a regular and then name a champ? Sure, they can make more money in a playoff, but it’s also because athletes understand that a regular season is a time to get better and build towards the big prize. 5 year old T-ball players know that the playoffs are what matter, not the regular season.

I do agree with you that teams not in the SEC or BIG will get passed over in whatever form of playoff you have. That‘s been happening for decades already so that’s not new and has no bearing on having a playoff or not (remember in1990 when an undefeated GT was passed over for ND in the Orange Bowl). What it means is that GT needs to get into the group that doesn’t get passed over and get out of this worthless version of a conference the ACC has become. I was born in College Park, MD as my dad was a student at Maryland. I lived and breathed ACC sports as a kid (Lefty and Bobby Ross at Maryland were icons in my eyes let alone when I was a GT student and would give Ross high fives as he jogged by my fraternity every morning). I freaking love the old ACC. I did not change. The leadership changed and failed miserably. They took a great product and created total dysfunction by their poor choices and now it’s going to fall apart. It’s a shame. But at least with the next playoff iteration looming in another 6-8 years, fanbases won’t have their hopes dashed after going undefeated or having 1 loss.
 
The way that 2014 team was playing at the end they had a real shot to make the champ game….

2 cpj teams. Lol. But he was so bad sigh.:crazy::crazy:
 
OptionJacket said:
I hear you and absolutely see your logic. I just see it differently. While I understand your logic, I think it comes from a place of brainwashing (not literally of course). This sport of D1 football has been so corrupt and dysfunctional for 100 years that viewpoints and logic have been purposefully and intentionally manipulated by the power brokers. The power brokers use to be media who voted for their regional teams to win Natties along with the the bowl executives who manipulated bowl match ups. Now the power brokers are the media, TV execs, and committee members who are still manipulating viewpoints thru the media they run. And 90% of the fans have no clue because they don’t really care like we do. They’ll just get pissed and act like the world is ending when their team gets “FSU’d”. And it’s going to happen to every school not in the SEC or BIG at some point over the life of the current 12 team contract.

You ask, why do we have to play more games and what was the point of the regular season? To that I say, why should the regular season be the sole decider? In what other sport does one loss in a regular season cancel out 12 months of preparation? You’ve been manipulated since birth by the media and bowls to believe that D1 football is somehow that one sport where a loss in game 1 in August removes all your hope. I am very happy that the regular season will be diminished in D1 college football because the regular season should build toward something special in a post season and allow teams to bond and get better without being thrown on the scrap heap after 1 or 2 losses. And regular season conference champs are easily manipulated because of unbalanced schedules. How many years did GT miss out on ACCCG opportunity because we played a cross over game of Clemson while VT played BC? And if you look at it objectively, the regular season for D1 football basically sucks because teams have learned to manipulate it. We have all seen UGA play 3 game regular seasons and schedule byes or cupcakes before every big game. For every 1 Bama-LSU type regular season game you have 10 craptastic Bama-UT Chattanooga type games.

Why do the Masters play 4 rounds instead of just 1? Why don’t the NFL, NBA, MLB, NASCAR, D2, and every other sport just play a regular and then name a champ? Sure, they can make more money in a playoff, but it’s also because athletes understand that a regular season is a time to get better and build towards the big prize. 5 year old T-ball players know that the playoffs are what matter, not the regular season.

I do agree with you that teams not in the SEC or BIG will get passed over in whatever form of playoff you have. That‘s been happening for decades already so that’s not new and has no bearing on having a playoff or not (remember in1990 when an undefeated GT was passed over for ND in the Orange Bowl). What it means is that GT needs to get into the group that doesn’t get passed over and get out of this worthless version of a conference the ACC has become. I was born in College Park, MD as my dad was a student at Maryland. I lived and breathed ACC sports as a kid (Lefty and Bobby Ross at Maryland were icons in my eyes let alone when I was a GT student and would give Ross high fives as he jogged by my fraternity every morning). I freaking love the old ACC. I did not change. The leadership changed and failed miserably. They took a great product and created total dysfunction by their poor choices and now it’s going to fall apart. It’s a shame. But at least with the next playoff iteration looming in another 6-8 years, fanbases won’t have their hopes dashed after going undefeated or having 1 loss.
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I haven’t been manipulated into thinking a 1 loss removes hope. There’s 130+ teams and 12 weeks. It’s math not brainwashing.

The problem with thinking a 2/3 loss team should still have a shot is that they’re gonna be taking the spot of a 0/1/2 loss team that has a better case for having a chance.

This year we absolutely knew Bama wasn’t the best team in the playoff let alone the country. But we decided they deserved a chance over an undefeated team b/c of eye test. As long as we’re thinking about other sports try to throw that into context in the NFL.

“KC yeah well we see you won the division, but it was a pretty weak division and you haven’t looked great. Also Kelce has been banged up and you haven’t looked great without him. Sorry, no playoffs.”
 
GTFLETCH said:
From: https://csnbbs.com/thread-984787.html
If the 5-7 model were utilized since the start of the BCS. For this, the final BCS/CFP polls were used. Conference championship ties broke for the higher ranked school. The semifinals/quarterfinal bowl locations follow the current pattern retroactively. Then-current conferences. Numbers are seedings. A total of 63 schools.

First, bids by school and future conference:

School
20 - Ohio St
17 - Oklahoma
15 - Alabama
13 - Georgia
12 - Florida
11 - LSU, Oregon
10 - Florida St, Penn St, USC
9 - Kansas St, Michigan, Notre Dame, Texas
8 - Clemson, Wisconsin
7 - Auburn, Virginia Tech
6 - Boise St, Miami (FL), Michigan St, Stanford, TCU, Washington
5 - Baylor, Tennessee, Utah
4 - Cincinnati, Iowa, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska
3 - Arkansas, Oklahoma St, South Carolina, Texas A&M
2 - Arizona, Central Florida, Colorado, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Washington St, West Virginia
1 - Arizona St, California, Coastal Carolina, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa St, Kansas, Marshall, Maryland, Miami (OH), Mississippi St, North Carolina, Northern Illinois, Oregon St, Pittsburgh, Texas Tech, Tulane, UCLA, Virginia

Future power schools with 0 appearances: Boston College, BYU, Duke, Houston, Kentucky, Minnesota, North Carolina St, Northwestern, Purdue, Rutgers, SMU, Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest

Future Conference
107 - SEC
92 - B1G
45 - ACC
44 - XII
7 - MWC
3 - Unknown
2 - MAC, SBC
1 - AAC
0 - CUSA

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2009

First Round:
A - #12 LSU @ #5 Florida
B - #11 Virginia Tech @ #6 Boise St
C - #10 Iowa @ #7 Oregon
D - #9 Georgia Tech @ #8 Ohio St

Quarterfinal:
Sugar Bowl - #1 Alabama vs Winner of D
Rose Bowl - #2 Texas vs Winner of C
Peach Bowl - #3 Cincinnati vs Winner of B
Fiesta Bowl - #4 TCU vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Cotton Bowl & Orange Bowl


2014

First Round:
A - #12 Georgia Tech @ #5 Baylor
B - #11 Kansas St @ #6 TCU
C - #10 Arizona @ #7 Mississippi St
D - #9 Mississippi @ #8 Michigan St

Quarterfinal:
Peach Bowl - #1 Alabama vs Winner of D
Fiesta Bowl - #2 Oregon vs Winner of C
Orange Bowl - #3 Florida St vs Winner of B
Cotton Bowl - #4 Ohio St vs Winner of A

Semifinal:
Rose Bowl & Sugar Bowl
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Guys the real questions from the new system are:

what does this do to the regular season sked? Obviously it de-emphasizes the regular season, but do the powers quit scheduling each other out of conference, avoiding an L.

does it de-emphasize enough to quickly get rid of conf championship games, avoiding another L for powers? Makes no sense to keep playing meaningless games. Alabama and Ugag, ohio state-Mich were meaningless games, if played next year. Crazy!

One of top 11 teams last four full year in final rankings had 4 losses. So they’ll be three or four 3-loss teams in 12 team playoffs, every year.

to the above, the debate will come down to which three loss team(s) should be in. Personally, I don’t care. Lose three, do I care if you’re left out? So that may be an improvement to current playoff.

Me, still think the right number is 8, meaning it comes down to splitting 2 loss teams to find top 8. Conf champs plus 4. Keeps regular season schedule important. Quarters in new years bowls, two more weeks of semis and finals. But once at 12, will be hard to go back.

Lastly, you won’t see teams go to the wall in regular season any more. You’ll see guys rested in conf finals, or last game rivalry games, to be healthy for playoffs. No way a bowers and others come back to play in a sec championship to risk injury for playoffs. The world has changed.
 
moochie said:
Guys the real questions from the new system are:

what does this do to the regular season sked? Obviously it de-emphasizes the regular season, but do the powers quit scheduling each other out of conference, avoiding an L.

does it de-emphasize enough to quickly get rid of conf championship games, avoiding another L for powers? Makes no sense to keep playing meaningless games. Alabama and Ugag, ohio state-Mich were meaningless games, if played next year. Crazy!

One of top 11 teams last four full year in final rankings had 4 losses. So they’ll be three or four 3-loss teams in 12 team playoffs, every year.

to the above, the debate will come down to which three loss team(s) should be in. Personally, I don’t care. Lose three, do I care if you’re left out? So that may be an improvement to current playoff.

Me, still think the right number is 8, meaning it comes down to splitting 2 loss teams to find top 8. Conf champs plus 4. Keeps regular season schedule important. Quarters in new years bowls, two more weeks of semis and finals. But once at 12, will be hard to go back.

Lastly, you won’t see teams go to the wall in regular season any more. You’ll see guys rested in conf finals, or last game rivalry games, to be healthy for playoffs. No way a bowers and others come back to play in a sec championship to risk injury for playoffs. The world has changed.
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And we're being fed a load of crap gaslighting us to tell us how much better it is.
 
moochie said:
Guys the real questions from the new system are:

what does this do to the regular season sked? Obviously it de-emphasizes the regular season, but do the powers quit scheduling each other out of conference, avoiding an L.

does it de-emphasize enough to quickly get rid of conf championship games, avoiding another L for powers? Makes no sense to keep playing meaningless games. Alabama and Ugag, ohio state-Mich were meaningless games, if played next year. Crazy!

One of top 11 teams last four full year in final rankings had 4 losses. So they’ll be three or four 3-loss teams in 12 team playoffs, every year.

to the above, the debate will come down to which three loss team(s) should be in. Personally, I don’t care. Lose three, do I care if you’re left out? So that may be an improvement to current playoff.

Me, still think the right number is 8, meaning it comes down to splitting 2 loss teams to find top 8. Conf champs plus 4. Keeps regular season schedule important. Quarters in new years bowls, two more weeks of semis and finals. But once at 12, will be hard to go back.

Lastly, you won’t see teams go to the wall in regular season any more. You’ll see guys rested in conf finals, or last game rivalry games, to be healthy for playoffs. No way a bowers and others come back to play in a sec championship to risk injury for playoffs. The world has changed.
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in a 5+7 12 team playoff Georgia Tech would have been in the tourney three times.(1998, 2009, 2014) in a 8 team playoff Georgia Tech would have never made it. If we want a chance at a Natty going forward a 5+7 allows that, while a 8 team playoff does not.
 
The regular season SHOULD be diminished because it’s not balanced in any way so teams can manipulate their wins/losses which is what we’ve been watching for 80 years. The regular season in D1 college football is pure garbage and then the garbage gets rewarded with big bowls and now playoff invites. All of you have been mentally manipulated into believing a 11-1 UGA/Bama/Ohio St type teams who played 2 real games is better than an 9-3 team who didn’t play UT-Martin and have bye weeks conveniently placed by their conference for them. It’s all been a sham which is why the SEC fought for decades against a playoff and to keep the status quo. Now, that a playoff was forced on them by TV execs they set about to partner with the TV execs and manipulate the committee which has worked from day 1.

With unbalanced schedules the only math and fair way is to let everyone in and use the regular season for 1 thing - seeding. Then play 2 months of 1 and done and see who is standing. That’s what every other sport in the world does except the mafia run D1 football and yet many of you side with them. Sure, let’s do an 8 team playoff where they exclude everyone except SEC/BIG teams. That will be fun and fair. The good news is that they can’t stop the money train which is expansion. The 12 team will prove highly successful as the sheep eat it up. Then it will grow to 24 to get more of the sheep’s money. Then it will grow again. That is inevitable unless the SEC/BIG simply break away and then we get 2 playoff systems - which I’d be fine with at this point.
 
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