2003 signees.....Miami v. GT

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law_bee

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Miami had 12 4* or better recruits. GT had 2.

We want the RIGHT 4* kid not ANY 4* kid.
 
Great point, law_bee. It seems that our new recruiting class has caused our fan-base to be obsessed with the star-rankings. I'm glad we're still recruiting people who will thrive at Tech.
 
Give me the hearts of #35 and #41 (both I believe 2 stars) any day. Heck, don't ask me...ask the opposing teams backs.
 
knoxjacket said:
Do you honestly believe we have better talent than Miami?
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We've won 2IAR with inferior coaching according to some GT fans. What else could it be other than better talent?
 
Yes, I believe that we have better starting football players than Miami.

'talent' is in the eye of the beholder. I doubt that the GT players would do better in the NFL combine test except on the Wonderlick (sp?) test. I cannot rank backups because I simply have no evidence.

Which of their starters would start for GT? The TE for sure and after that nobody is obvious to me. We have an obviously better WR.

Which team will place more on the all ACC teams? I know that doesn't incorporate overall talent, but it will be indicative. Right now are you convinced that Miami will place more?
 
Miami being a program in disarray with no discipline may have a tad bit to do with it.
 
I think our starting talent is about equal with Miami, and they have much better depth. I think our coaching is slightly superior, our discipline is greatly superior, and the ball has "bounced our way" the past two years.

Both of the last 2 GT/Miami games could have gone either way. We are very evenly matched.
 
I just want to compare players on the field. Wright was 5 star and Ball was 2. They look pretty even. Their O Line couldn't protect him and they were ranked 54443. They looked pretty average. James Johnson was a two star WR and he is as good as their 4 and 3 star guys.

We can go on and on. I can look at other teams in 'disarray' and see the individual talent. I look at Miami and I didn't see any players that stood out as being obvious pro players (other than possibly Olsen). I don't know who the guy was that JJ left in his wake on the TD pass, but if Miami's CBs are really four stars, two star WRs should not get that kind of separation.

Miami was not in disarray whan they lost to a young FSU team that is in last place for a reason. IMHO they lost because their players are overrated.
 
Which of their starters would start for GT?
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3/4 of their secondary. Maybe one linebacker. 2-3 Defensive Lineman. Their OL is garbage, so I'd be hesitant to say any of them, but probably at least one. The 2nd and 3rd recievers. Maybe tailback. Definitely quarterback.
 
I can look at other teams in 'disarray' and see the individual talent. I look at Miami and I didn't see any players that stood out as being obvious pro players (other than possibly Olsen).
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That frosh running back they've got will definitely start in the NFL.

3/4 of their secondary. Maybe one linebacker. 2-3 Defensive Lineman. Their OL is garbage, so I'd be hesitant to say any of them, but probably at least one. The 2nd and 3rd recievers. Maybe tailback. Definitely quarterback.
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Kenny Scott would start, the rest of their secondary are equal or better than our guys. They'd definitely have 1 LB starting for us, maybe 2. I don't know that they have any DLs who'd outplay ours. 2nd receiver maybe, 3rd definitely. I think Choice is a better tailback currently, but just due to age/experience. But as much as he drives us nuts, Reggie does bring a lot to the table. I'd have to stick with Reggie I think.
 
I disagree on a few assessments. I like Miami's secondary, but Kenny Scott would start for pretty much anybody. You think that Miami has two CB's better than Kenny? Ouch.

Still, you are saying between 5-8 on D so GT would have between 3-6 starting for Miami.

On Offense, you say 3-5 so GT would have 6-8.

These do seem reasonable. Both teams have good defenses. And GT isn't setting the world on Fire on O but UM is horrible despite a 4.0 average star ranking. James at tailback is OK but he isn't one of these freshmen too good to keep off the field. He is playing because their other backs aren't playing well at all.
 
Funny Beej, but when I was watching this year's game, I thought we were clearly the better team and that the ball kept bouncing away from us. We kept Miami in the game with stupid penalties, etc for the first three quarters. We finally put it together and blew them out rather quickly in the fourth.

Certainly Miami has quality athletes. They are hurting at the linebacker positions, but their DE's are better than ours. There were a ton of times that we had broken through the line only to be hauled down by a DE. Their safeties and CB's are probably better.
As well as QB (soph), WR (minus CJ), TE, and probably two linemen.

Where we killed them was special teams but it's not because of personnel. Brooks had a tremendous day and our kicker kept it away just enough. Otherwise I think you would have noticed a big difference in the depth issue between the two teams.

We are still hurting for numbers at RB, S, CB, LB and TE and those are your ST players.
 
Funny Beej, but when I was watching this year's game, I thought we were clearly the better team and that the ball kept bouncing away from us.
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The refs calling their INT in the end zone out of bounds, in my opinion, counts very clearly as the "ball bouncing our way." The 65 yard punt out of the EZ too. Take those two things way and the game is reeeaaaal tight.

Kenny Scott would start for pretty much anybody.
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Kenny Scott might start for the Falcons.
 
I don't think Kenny Scott is even our best CB on the team. He won't be starting for anybody in the NFL. He may make a team somewhere, maybe. I'd say he is a 7th round draft choice.

Their interception was a dropped ball, not out of bounds. Look at the replay, he's juggling the ball and never brings it in.

I don't look at good athletic events as the ball bouncing our way. I look at how fumbled balls bounce right back into the Miami player's hands. I look at four or five, 3rd and longs and giving Miami a first down due to stupid penalties (see Kenny Scott) or totally missed tackles.

We did not play a particularly good game in the first three quarters. The only thing that kept us in the game was one good pass to CJ in the first half, that CJ took for a big gain and then the one big TD pass to JJ. Take those away and we were getting completely hammered.

But I still thought we were the better team, we just weren't getting it done. Good teams find a way however and in the end we had a very productive fourth quarter.
 
GTCrew said:
I disagree on a few assessments. I like Miami's secondary, but Kenny Scott would start for pretty much anybody. You think that Miami has two CB's better than Kenny? Ouch.

Still, you are saying between 5-8 on D so GT would have between 3-6 starting for Miami.

On Offense, you say 3-5 so GT would have 6-8.

These do seem reasonable. Both teams have good defenses. And GT isn't setting the world on Fire on O but UM is horrible despite a 4.0 average star ranking. James at tailback is OK but he isn't one of these freshmen too good to keep off the field. He is playing because their other backs aren't playing well at all.
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3/4 Secondary meant three-fourths, not three or four. Kenny Scott is a better corner than anyone they have.

I'd definitely take both 2nd and 3rd wideouts as well. Shields looks sick and he's only a Frosh.

Javarris James is a big time talent, too.

The fact that Kyle Wright still went 20-31, 246, and 1/1 despite being under tremendous pressure tells you about his ability.

IMO, we'd be a MNC contender with a QB like that.

Regardless, we have the better team because we are exponentially better disciplined and that is on the coaches.
 
That is an interesting take midatl. I have been overjoyed at all our CBs, and certainly not disappointed by Kenny. I thought Word-Daniels was covering like a champ but IIUC tackling got coach mad at him. If Avery was better than Kenny he would be playing instead of him. And Marius has potential but he isn't better today IMHO.

I'm not gauranteeing a pro career. But I'd be surprised if he didn't get drafted.
 
I hear you on the 3/4ths. Sorry to misread.

I'm just not as sold on James and I have him on my ACC fantasy team. I can't really tell if the line is really that awful or if the skill players are a little overrated. This team can move the ball but they really seem to struggle when the field gets short.

Wright is talented. The one stat not on his sheet is bad sacks taken. I know it isn't all his fault, but he seems to take BAD sacks like Reggie took 2-3 years ago. The kind where you were in field goal range and now you aren't. Or holding on to the ball too long on 2nd and one and losing 10+ yards. Mental errors.
 
I don't think Kenny Scott is even our best CB on the team.
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No offense, sir, but you're out of your goard. Kenny Scott suffers from the same problem that Marvius Hester did - we strand him on an island without safety help because he's that good. Opposing QBs throw the other way when Scott's on the field, because he's that good. Scott is the best CB we've had on the flats since at least 97, maybe longer.
 
Well, let me play. Wright is a better QB. Our OLine played better but theirs is bigger. They'll have more drafted than we will. KScott would start for them and he will get drafted. He has the physical tools to play in the NFL and that will get him drafted.

Their big DE (Campbell?) was a freak, he will play on Sunday for sure. I'd call the backers even. Receivers, CJ tops, theirs would be 2 and 3. I'd say TC had the better game at RB, but the Miami backs will likely be higher draft picks.
 
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