2020 Recruiting

JoeCakeEater said:
I would probably go Gibbs or no one at RB. I just don’t see a need at the position that would predicate a reach. We redshirted two freshman RBs last year. We want Gibbs so badly because he’s a special talent...and you always find a spot for top talent.
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Seems to be what the staff feels as well. Don't have room for a reach at RB.
 
wesleyd21 said:
Kicker
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Two walk on kickers coming. This staff is def not offering a scholarship to a kicker this year.

OL Phillip Wilder is also OVing. Have a DE prospect also but not sure if he actually has an offer yet.
 
Architorture23 said:
Two walk on kickers coming. This staff is def not offering a scholarship to a kicker this year.

OL Phillip Wilder is also OVing. Have a DE prospect also but not sure if he actually has an offer yet.
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What about the grad transfer kicker from Duke? Are we going to pursue him?
 
BrentwoodJacket said:
What about the grad transfer kicker from Duke? Are we going to pursue him?
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We have 2 kickers on scholarship already. I would just about bet you anything that we will not extend another kicking scholly any time soon...especially since we have 2 PWO kickers coming in.
 
daBuzz said:
We have 2 kickers on scholarship already. I would just about bet you anything that we will not extend another kicking scholly any time soon...especially since we have 2 PWO kickers coming in.
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I thought we were back down to one scholarship kicker. On a related note if a scholarship player is red-shirted, is the school obligated to provide a scholarship for five years?
 
BrentwoodJacket said:
I thought we were back down to one scholarship kicker. On a related note if a scholarship player is red-shirted, is the school obligated to provide a scholarship for five years?
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Scholarships are for one year. Schools aren’t “obligated” to extend a scholarship past the first year. A player can always be encouraged to leave early, but I’ve never seen a player revert to a walk-on, non-scholarship.
 
Architorture23 said:
Two walk on kickers coming. This staff is def not offering a scholarship to a kicker this year.

OL Phillip Wilder is also OVing. Have a DE prospect also but not sure if he actually has an offer yet.
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I'm not a fan of giving kickers scholarships to begin with. There are plenty of people capable of kicking that would love to walk-on, then they can earn the scholarship. Too many kickers coming out of high school with limited fundamentals and ability to perfect their craft. There are exceptions to the rule of course, namely anyone coming out of the Feely School.
 
GTWannaBee said:
Scholarships are for one year. Schools aren’t “obligated” to extend a scholarship past the first year. A player can always be encouraged to leave early, but I’ve never seen a player revert to a walk-on, non-scholarship.
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I don't think that's true any more, but I may be wrong. I haven't reviewed the rules in a while.
 
JacketForLife said:
I don't think that's true any more, but I may be wrong. I haven't reviewed the rules in a while.
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Schools can give 1 year scholarships or multi-year scholarships. The last time I looked most were still giving out 1 year scholarships.
 
GTWannaBee said:
Scholarships are for one year. Schools aren’t “obligated” to extend a scholarship past the first year. A player can always be encouraged to leave early, but I’ve never seen a player revert to a walk-on, non-scholarship.
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gtphd said:
Schools can give 1 year scholarships or multi-year scholarships. The last time I looked most were still giving out 1 year scholarships.
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GTWannaBee said:
http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/future/scholarships
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According to this guy who seems to be pretty well-informed, the P5 schools have all agreed not to cancel scholarships for reasons of poor athletic performance.
 
BrentwoodJacket said:
Does this include a year five obligation for red-shirted players?
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Don't know, as all I know I gleaned from that web page which doesn't address redshirts. But my supposition is that the scholarship is guaranteed as long as you stay academically eligible and have playing eligibility left (so, yes, all five years if you redshirt).
 
18in32 said:
According to this guy who seems to be pretty well-informed, the P5 schools have all agreed not to cancel scholarships for reasons of poor athletic performance.
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Athletic scholarships can be guaranteed for four years, but it’s not the norm
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The NCAA has allowed colleges to provide multiyear scholarships since 2012. Additionally, in 2015, NCAA D1 colleges from the Power Five conferences (colleges in the Football Bowl Subdivision, plus Notre Dame) agreed to implement a rule that prevented multi-year D1 scholarships from being canceled or not renewed for any athletic reason.

So, yes, there are athletic scholarships out there that are guaranteed for four years, but they are not the norm outside of powerhouse football programs and some other situations. While the practice of extending multi-year athletic scholarships has been growing, it is largely dependent on whether specific programs and coaches are open to offering them.
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The pertinent point in your post is that the Div I schools agreed to not cancel multi-year scholarships [1]. Coaches can give 1 year scholarships if they're up-front about it, which is a good thing. Consider a coach with 84 scholarships in 2020, but who knows he'll need that 85th scholarship in 2021. If he had to honor it for the rest of a player's career, he might sit on that scholarship in 2020 or only give it to a senior instead of the most deserving walk-on.

[1] This also extends to 1 year contracts where the player is not explicitly told its only 1 year.
 
18in32 said:
Don't know, as all I know I gleaned from that web page which doesn't address redshirts. But my supposition is that the scholarship is guaranteed as long as you stay academically eligible and have playing eligibility left (so, yes, all five years if you redshirt).
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This is what I was under the impression of. Self regulation in order not to be litigated or regulated by Congress.
 
18in32 said:
According to this guy who seems to be pretty well-informed, the P5 schools have all agreed not to cancel scholarships for reasons of poor athletic performance.
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Only in football and maybe basketball. It literally happens every single year in baseball to quite a few players on each team. Of course, they only get 11.7 scholarships to split between 25 players anyway, so they're already working on partial schollies...but those do get adjusted up or down, based on play and performance.
 
gtphd said:
Coaches can give 1 year scholarships if they're up-front about it, which is a good thing. Consider a coach with 84 scholarships in 2020, but who knows he'll need that 85th scholarship in 2021. If he had to honor it for the rest of a player's career, he might sit on that scholarship in 2020 or only give it to a senior instead of the most deserving walk-on.
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You'd have to be a pretty marginal player to sign an NLI where only one year was guaranteed when all your teammates were getting four years guaranteed! As far as my limited research reveals, it is customary now in the P5 for players to get four years guaranteed. I suppose this is the best of outcomes... coaches have the freedom in unusual situations to only award a single year, but most everybody expects the four years and gets them.
 
18in32 said:
You'd have to be a pretty marginal player to sign an NLI where only one year was guaranteed when all your teammates were getting four years guaranteed! As far as my limited research reveals, it is customary now in the P5 for players to get four years guaranteed. I suppose this is the best of outcomes... coaches have the freedom in unusual situations to only award a single year, but most everybody expects the four years and gets them.
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What you say is true. It makes me wonder how a different scenario might work though.

Let's say that all schools can offer 1-year or 4-year scholarships to every player and the player has the option to choose either of those options. If the player signs a 4-year scholarship and wants to transfer to another D-1 school, they have to sit out one year, as it is right now. But if a school only offers a one-year scholarship or the player chooses to only sign a 1-year scholarship, they are free to transfer to another D-1 school and have immediate eligibility after each season ends. Maybe put a limit on it and only allow that one time before the one-year-sitting-out penalty kicks in.

It would at least eliminate some of the hypocrisy of leaving it up to the NCAA to adjudicate which kids they're going to approve and which kids they're going to deny.
 
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