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clapper said:
He was responding to 'Tech man as a great coach', not just name some Tech guy who coached.
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Also, Marco Coleman was not just "some Tech guy," he's one of the best players that Tech ever put into the pros, and played an important role in our only modern championship
 
BuzzCzar said:
Also, Marco Coleman was not just "some Tech guy," he's one of the best players that Tech ever put into the pros, and played an important role in our only modern championship
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Still doesn't make him a great coach...yet. And your joke, if that is what it was meant to be, wasn't funny.
 
BuzzCzar said:
Also, Marco Coleman was not just "some Tech guy," he's one of the best players that Tech ever put into the pros, and played an important role in our only modern championship
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World-beater as a player. As a coach?

:shady:
 
ee8384 said:
Really need to start viewing these as rental property. NIL comes above all.
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Maybe players who are leaving for a better deal should cost the new team some residual to the original team for time and money invested in
developing the player. Not sure on the details but getting a player who has been developed by another team should cost something. Might
help keep marginally good players from bailing.
 
Kcs_Tech said:
Maybe players who are leaving for a better deal should cost the new team some residual to the original team for time and money invested in
developing the player. Not sure on the details but getting a player who has been developed by another team should cost something. Might
help keep marginally good players from bailing.
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A judge would end that immediately. The answer has to be in contract terms with the NIL deals with each school. Player can choose: more $$$ now or more freedom to relocate? Their own risk analysis.
 
Flywheel said:
A judge would end that immediately. The answer has to be in contract terms with the NIL deals with each school. Player can choose: more $$$ now or more freedom to relocate? Their own risk analysis.
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What I'm suggesting is not an NIL agreement but an agreement among the schools that they would pay the school losing the player compensation. It would be an agreement on transfers and would not directly effect a player's NIL.
The NFL has rules there has to be a way for college football to have better transfer rules than it presently has.
 
Kcs_Tech said:
What I'm suggesting is not an NIL agreement but an agreement among the schools that they would pay the school losing the player compensation. It would be an agreement on transfers and would not directly effect a player's NIL.
The NFL has rules there has to be a way for college football to have better transfer rules than it presently has.
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I'm not following. An example would help.
 
00Burdell said:
I'm not following. An example would help.
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Auburn has a player transfer to Tennessee and gets a nice NIL deal as a result. Tennessee according to the transfer rule agreed upon by the
schools whether through the NCAA or whatever replaces it cuts a check to Auburn for compensation. The player is not involved in what goes
on between the two schools.
 
Kcs_Tech said:
Auburn has a player transfer to Tennessee and gets a nice NIL deal as a result. Tennessee according to the transfer rule agreed upon by the
schools whether through the NCAA or whatever replaces it cuts a check to Auburn for compensation. The player is not involved in what goes
on between the two schools.
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I'm unclear on the obligation from Tenn to Auburn (why there is one).

So here is a scenario with my assumptions which may permit you to spot the misunderstanding of why I don't see UT owing Auburn anything. I'm fine with the concept of an "institutional agreement" b/w Auburn and Tenn to facilitate the smooth, economically neutral transfer of an athlete from/to either school to the other.

So GT signs George P. Burdell to an NIL deal the essence of which is GT pays George $10,000/yr to play for us. After one year at GT, George decides he'd rather play for The University of Bugtussle and transfers there. We paid him for his year of service and he left it all on the field during that year. I'm not following how GT has suffered an economic loss that U of B should acknowledge and address. Are NIL contracts not structured in the way I'm assuming they are?
 
00Burdell said:
I'm unclear on the obligation from Tenn to Auburn (why there is one).

So here is a scenario with my assumptions which may permit you to spot the misunderstanding of why I don't see UT owing Auburn anything. I'm fine with the concept of an "institutional agreement" b/w Auburn and Tenn to facilitate the smooth, economically neutral transfer of an athlete from/to either school to the other.

So GT signs George P. Burdell to an NIL deal the essence of which is GT pays George $10,000/yr to play for us. After one year at GT, George decides he'd rather play for The University of Bugtussle and transfers there. We paid him for his year of service and he left it all on the field during that year. I'm not following how GT has suffered an economic loss that U of B should acknowledge and address. Are NIL contracts not structured in the way I'm assuming they are?
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He's referring to something like soccer transfer fees where the fee is for developing the player to the point that he is a desirable option for the other team. It would be like Gibbs coming to GT and using their facilities and coaching to improve himself so that Alabama would want his services. There was a sunk cost for that, which would be paid by Alabama. Of course, that's a poor example since we all know that no player development occurred during that dark period of our school's football history.

Atlanta United paid a $15M fee to Barco's old team for that reason. They were the recipient of an even higher fee when Almiron went to the EPL.
 
clapper said:
He's referring to something like soccer transfer fees where the fee is for developing the player to the point that he is a desirable option for the other team. It would be like Gibbs coming to GT and using their facilities and coaching to improve himself so that Alabama would want his services. There was a sunk cost for that, which would be paid by Alabama. Of course, that's a poor example since we all know that no player development occurred during that dark period of our school's football history.

Atlanta United paid a $15M fee to Barco's old team for that reason. They were the recipient of an even higher fee when Almiron went to the EPL.
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Interesting example. Did Barco's old team have him "locked up" contractually such that they wouldn't release him until another team (Atl United) met their price for increasing his value? I have no idea how this works in soccer. Or is Barco free to play for whoever he wants and the teams work it out among themselves?

I'm trying to get to a point where I can actually figure out how this might work in college. For example, how much (hypothetically speaking) would GT owe TAMU for their investment in Haynes King?

If I have a star employee that I invested in making him/her more valuable, I can't stop him from resigning and working for the other guy but I can structure an employment contract that is backloaded to balance our respective economic interests over time to basically keep the economic score tied throughout the duration of their employment. I don't know how that is possible in college football.
 
00Burdell said:
I'm unclear on the obligation from Tenn to Auburn (why there is one).

So here is a scenario with my assumptions which may permit you to spot the misunderstanding of why I don't see UT owing Auburn anything. I'm fine with the concept of an "institutional agreement" b/w Auburn and Tenn to facilitate the smooth, economically neutral transfer of an athlete from/to either school to the other.

So GT signs George P. Burdell to an NIL deal the essence of which is GT pays George $10,000/yr to play for us. After one year at GT, George decides he'd rather play for The University of Bugtussle and transfers there. We paid him for his year of service and he left it all on the field during that year. I'm not following how GT has suffered an economic loss that U of B should acknowledge and address. Are NIL contracts not structured in the way I'm assuming they are?
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The reason for Tennessee having an obligation to Auburn is because of a rule change I am proposing for transfers. It does not directly effect
NIL agreements.
 
Kcs_Tech said:
The reason for Tennessee having an obligation to Auburn is because of a rule change I am proposing for transfers. It does not directly effect
NIL agreements.
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The Tennessees of the world will never agree to this, and if the smaller schools try to implement it via the NCAA, it will just end the NCAA faster.

The small schools need to put payback clauses in their NIL deals for players who leave early. Just like termination clauses in coaches' contracts - the new employer foots that bill of they think it a worthwhile cost.
 
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