24 points

pocket_watch said:
Maybe I have made the point I have been trying to, but no one else feels the same.

That is, that this team needs to know what it feels like to put up a half dollar on somebody, anybody.
I didn't expect that we would find ourselves ranked by burning out the scoreboard against Samford.

I am not sure this team is mentally prepared to score in bunches, and that mindset will be important very soon.
Charlie Weiss may have thought the same thing about his club against PSU.
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Hard to believe these guys have been around this long, but most of this offense knows what it is like to score 50 as they beat Syracuse in the champs bowl 51-14. We had Ball, CJ, Grant, much of the OL, etc.
 
pocket_watch said:
Disturbing.

If Chan Gailey thought sitting on a big lead against a Division 9 team was the right thing to do, he does not understand what this team needs.

Putting up only 24 today is inexcusable. Samford got more out of this 32 point loss than we did.

I hope no one will say it would have been classless to "run up the score." What good was it for Bennet and Manley to get experience unless they were charged with getting their team in the end zone?

At last check, Charlie Weiss still had Quinn and the first string still playing and still scoring in the 4th quarter, leading 41-3.
'Ol Charlie doesn't seem to have a problem embarrassing older Joe Pa, does he? Or,...maybe he believes getting his team comfortable scoring points is more important.

After 5 years, someone still needs to get thru to Chan that this is not the NFL. A "win is a win", is certainly not the same thing in college.
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I understand your frustration but maybe it should be directed at the Gailey/Nix and the second teamers for putting up how many points??? against SAMFORD ??!!
 
pocket_watch said:
Disturbing.

If Chan Gailey thought sitting on a big lead against a Division 9 team was the right thing to do, he does not understand what this team needs.

Putting up only 24 today is inexcusable. Samford got more out of this 32 point loss than we did.

I hope no one will say it would have been classless to "run up the score." What good was it for Bennet and Manley to get experience unless they were charged with getting their team in the end zone?

At last check, Charlie Weiss still had Quinn and the first string still playing and still scoring in the 4th quarter, leading 41-3.
'Ol Charlie doesn't seem to have a problem embarrassing older Joe Pa, does he? Or,...maybe he believes getting his team comfortable scoring points is more important.

After 5 years, someone still needs to get thru to Chan that this is not the NFL. A "win is a win", is certainly not the same thing in college.
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Enough is enough! Some people will never be perfect enough for some fans....STOP the whinning or find another team to support.

As for Weiss, If Quinn had been seriously injured late in the game...How smart of a decision would it have been at that point? Lose a team leader in a game that was in hand....What ever he's just padding the stats....and trying to make argumet for Quinn's heisman race...but he could've made huge mistake/risk on injury & SCREW himself out of the season and last year w/ Quinn!
 
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I understand your frustration but maybe it should be directed at the Gailey/Nix and the second teamers for putting up how many points??? against SAMFORD ??!!
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Check the 2nd half stats. Outside of 2 drives with Bennett in the 3rd quarter (one in which we scored), we just started running the ball every down except the obvious passing downs. It should have been obvious to anyone watching we were fine running the ball, taking time off the clock, and not running up the score.

How about that 2nd team defense though! They shut out Samford. I guess they should be the real starters if we go by the stats!
 
BeerNutts said:
Check the 2nd half stats. Outside of 2 drives with Bennett in the 3rd quarter (one in which we scored), we just started running the ball every down except the obvious passing downs. It should have been obvious to anyone watching we were fine running the ball, taking time off the clock, and not running up the score.

How about that 2nd team defense though! They shut out Samford. I guess they should be the real starters if we go by the stats!
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And the second team didn't get into the end zone why?
 
Well I was certainly concerned with the offensive struggles that continued, but I was very pleased to see Bennett, Manley and Garner get in the game. IMHO Bennett throws a better ball than Reggie. Wish he had got another series or two. Would like to have seen Grant and Choice get a few more carries. The 2+ D looked good, playing arguable against tiring Samford players. This should tell you something. Its better to get fresh legs in the game instead staying on the same tired horses all game.

I would have like to have seen Calvin get a couple of series with Bennett. Big C had 2 TD's but only 26 yards on 4 catches. Still not getting the man the ball enough, no matter what the score.

There were several passes to the tight ends today, but they were still out patterns. Poor old Coop got bricks for hands. Really would have like to seen a pass thrown to Riles. I know he has good hands. Took some pictures from the game, I'll try to post a few if I figure out how.

Kickoff teams need to get a freakin clue. Pitiful.
 
Non-G, I agree with what you are saying in your last remark about the pollsters and ND.

Hi-yevah, I was trying to say something different. If yesterday's game was played during Hamilton's or Godsey's time, I would agree with keeping the score down. Those teams knew how to score. Maybe this team does too, but I haven't seen it.
I can't say this any other way.
 
And the second team didn't get into the end zone why?
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Well on at least ONE series the coaches were wanting Bell to try a long field goal.

I sit in row 7 behind the bench and from the time the O crossed the 50 yard line, it was obvious they were prepping for the field goal.

But overall because the coaches really didn't try to score again.
 
Sorry pocket, I don't think scoring 100 points on Samford would make one bit of difference in how the kids feel about themselves or each other. I don't think it would make any difference in any game still on our schedule either. I think you're inventing scenarios here.

FWIW, Charlie Weis was an idiot keepig Quinn in as long as he did. That was a season wrecking injury waiting to happen. He got away with it, but all it would have taken was one PSU defensive player to lose it and ND would be out of the polls.

I do wish we had let the 2s and 3s run the full offensive package, just to see what they can do. And it's always fun to see a big score next to GT in the paper and on ESPN. But in the grand scheme it means nothing.
 
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I don't know what bothers me most

I don't know what bothers me most about this original post.

Is it the lack of class?
Is it the lack of understanding how to develop a winning football program?
Is it the lack of sensible expectations?

The Samford game was as close to a perfect game as we could have asked for. I would change two plays. Period. Our starters moved the ball. We contained their offense from start to finish. A number of backups showed great promise while some other backups showed why they were backups. We got film on almost 70 players which we can use in the film room to improve them. We got to reward some obscure players with PT. We got to try some offbeat plays and reward some lunch pail players with touches. We escaped essentially injury free.

Could we have made it into the Top25 if we had thrown away some of the very real benefits above in trying to run up the score? I doubt it. But even if we had, where's the benefit? This early in the season, the ranking is meaningless. If we win, we'll be highly ranked. If we don't win, we won't stay in the rankings. So what's the point?

We have great team chemistry right now. Why would anyone put it at risk trying to tack another meaningless TD on the scoreboard?

What kind of coach says, "Calvin, go out there and risk being hurt because Pocket demands another score. I'm sending you on a crossing pattern in the end zone over the middle, so you'll get hit by two or three players. Hey, football is your job. If you are afraid of getting hurt you have no business being out there."?

What kind of coach says, "Manley, Garner, don't bother getting dressed. Pocket wants us to go for all the scores we can. You're not going to be rewarded for all your hard work. And you other players, the teammates of yours that you love and who work hard won't be rewarded either. Basically on this team, you either are part of running up the score or you have no business being out there."?

What kind of coach says, "Tyler Evans, Matt Kamp, we don't reward walkons here. We just run up the score. I don't care if we ever get another preferred walk-on here on campus."?

Well, our coaches don't say any of that. I am extremely grateful.
 
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Techbert said:
I don't know what bothers me most about this original post.

Is it the lack of class?
Is it the lack of understanding how to develop a winning football program?
Is it the lack of sensible expectations?

The Samford game was as close to a perfect game as we could have asked for. I would change two plays. Period. Our starters moved the ball. We contained their offense from start to finish. A number of backups showed great promise while some other backups showed why they were backups. We got film on almost 70 players which we can use in the film room to improve them. We got to reward some obscure players with PT. We got to try some offbeat plays and reward some lunch pail players with touches. We escaped essentially injury free.

Could we have made it into the Top25 if we had thrown away some of the very real benefits above in trying to run up the score? I doubt it. But even if we had, where's the benefit? This early in the season, the ranking is meaningless. If we win, we'll be highly ranked. If we don't win, we won't stay in the rankings. So what's the point?

We have great team chemistry right now. Why would anyone put it at risk trying to tack another meaningless TD on the scoreboard?

What kind of coach says, "Calvin, go out there and risk being hurt because Pocket demands another score. I'm sending you on a crossing pattern in the end zone over the middle, so you'll get hit by two or three players. Hey, football is your job. If you are afraid of getting hurt you have no business being out there."?

What kind of coach says, "Manley, Garner, don't bother getting dressed. Pocket wants us to go for all the scores we can. You're not going to be rewarded for all your hard work. And you other players, the teammates of yours that you love and who work hard won't be rewarded either. Basically on this team, you either are part of running up the score or you have no business being out there."?

What kind of coach says, "Tyler Evans, Matt Kamp, we don't reward walkons here. We just run up the score. I don't care if we ever get another preferred walk-on here on campus."?

Well, our coaches don't say any of that. I am extremely grateful.
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AMEN!! Damn good post Techbert!!:greenclap: :greenclap: Absolutely no logic in putting a 70 spot on the board, it proves nothing.
 
I knew this dumbass thread would get started by someone.


We could have scored 100 with our starters in. Why on earth would we risk an injury to Calvin Johnson by leaving him in the whole game? Scoring 100 on Samford is really, really, really dumb.

Anyone who complains about the Samford game is looking at the wrong stats. There's one number that matters: 64. The number of players that played.
 
Techbert, do you realize that if we were in a face to face conversation this spinning of what I said would not happen.

One more time. I did not want Calvin Johnson or any other starter playing after our defense put the game out of reach.
What I did want was an attempt to develop offensive depth. That, imo does not happen when they are charged with running out the clock. This opinion has nothing to do with blowing up Samford.

Maybe the second unit will get some quality minutes this year, but I don't know when. Based on FSU - Troy, it may not happen this week, and after that I will be surprised to see it at all unless it's on the wrong side of a lopsided score. I don't expect to see that either.
 
What I did want was an attempt to develop offensive depth. That, imo does not happen when they are charged with running out the clock.
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Did you even stay for the second half? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Bennett ran the same offense Reggie did. Nobody dumbed the playcalling down until Garner (4th string) was in, midway through the fourth quarter, and even he was still throwing the ball one in three plays.
 
If We Were Face To Face

If we were just speaking face to face in a private setting, I would have tuned you out after your first sentence and moved on. There would be no point in having a conversation with you, as our perceptions of reality have totally different bases.

If you stood on a soapbox in a public setting spewing that nonsense, I would stand up for the good name of our program and our coaches. That is what I did in this setting. Our coaches are very smart, and the team is a very good team.

Once we gained control of the scoreboard, actual additional scores became irrelevant. We got the film on our backups. They got a taste. Our lunch bucket types got rewards.

We got what we needed from the game. Anyone that thinks differently was either not paying attention or living in a realistic world.
 
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Techbert said:
If we were just speaking face to face in a private setting, I would have tuned you out after your first sentence and moved on. There would be no point in having a conversation with you, as our perceptions of reality have totally different bases.
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I appreciate your answer and will agree with you.
 
pocket_watch said:
We need to know how to score points offensively, and that did not happen today, considering the opponent.
I am happy that the second team OL got to play, but wanted to see them in more than mop up duty.

I am happy with the win, but had hoped that we would attack our scoring issue fo 60 minutes.
Samford scheduled us to get a check, and they got it. We needed more out of today's game offensively.

FWIW, our D continues to be magnificent.
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We need 6 quarters so that we can accomplish all that you want. Why dont we just stay on the field,play pitch and catch and score an extra 3o points.ND and the other factories are all for running up the score for the pollsters[that would vote them high regardless]
 
wilmoo said:
We need 6 quarters so that we can accomplish all that you want. Why dont we just stay on the field,play pitch and catch and score an extra 3o points.ND and the other factories are all for running up the score for the pollsters[that would vote them high regardless]
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"What we've got here is a failure to communicate" Strother Martin (1967, "Cool Hand Luke")
 
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