2nd series.....

refrigeratormover

refrigeratormover

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Tashard Choice not hitting holes quickly enought. You can't dance in the back field unless you're Barry Sanders, and he's not. Reggie not attacking LOS for option.

Lt side OL collapsed on 17 ydr to CJ

If your running back hits the hole fast verticle blocking is OK, it worked with us in Buffalo, Thurman Thomas wasn't half bad and we had 3 all pros on the OL

75 and 68 already been called for downfield blocking on a pass, NOT GOOD. know where the hell you are.

3rd series
Never call a play that develops that long on the GL, left side of the OL not looking that bad.

4th series
Nothing spectacular nothing bad. Saw some OL catching blocks instead of driving them. One thing I see so far is the hesitation of the running back hitting holes. I would give our OL a solid B+ right now. Virginia has no speed whatsoever and if they did we wouldn't be getting on the corner the couple of times we have.

5th series
Pass blocking good except TC missed block on the OLB, you gotta keep your head up. Also, the clipping call on 61. When you run reverses as an OL you tend to try and catch up therefore making bad decisions.

6th series

TD CJ OL Blocked well.

1st half OL B+
Run Game Running backs and Reggie C+

You have to hit the hole faster with this type of blocking scheme and are running backs aren't consistently doing that. The few times they have hit it quick they have gained 5+ yards and I will take that.
 
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BOR, I have watched until the 4 minute period of the 3rd quarter and I have not seen what you are describing in another post.

I thought the OL did a good job this game and I will say it again. THE RUNNING BACKS NEED TO HIT THE HOLE FASTER, THE HOLES WERE THERE BUT THEY WERE HESITANT ALL NIGHT.

Again, all of this is just one idiot's opinion.
 
Maybe I just dreamed it all up. I mean, one minute I'm seeing it with my own eyes. The next minute I actually predicted a holding penalty from watching the abuse take place. I'm discussing it with the fan next to me, who happens to agree. At halftime I was discussing it with 4 fans in the hall which all said they saw the same thing.

Unfortunately, I don;t have the luxury of Tivo and I'm not writing down the play by play.

What I don't get is in this game you say the backs aren't hitting the holes, and in past games you've been extremely critical of the OLine.

Maybe its one of those things where you review the game film and it wasn;t as bad as it seemed live. Maybe I'm just extremely confused and frustrated at a 4 year player, can commit so many penalties so I'm just piling it on. Who knows. But I do know our interior lineman are making stupid penalties and not getting a lot of forward push. If thats not true please correct me.
 
BOR, I am extremely hard on the lineman when they were blocking the other schemes, as I said it seems as if they have changed all that and now are trying to finesse (which means we aren't going to overpower anyone) By the way I don't like the kind of blocking where doing but as I said before Chan hasn't called to ask me what I thought.

I think you do bring up some valid points ( the penalties kill us very much and they are stupid ) If whoever you say has commited that many then I wouldn't be surprised that he loses playing time and we can get Dunmon and Voss in there.

It sucks that I have to take Clients to the game because I can't watch it like I normally would. That's why I havent commented on the two non televised games because I wasn't there.

BOTTOM LINE IS THE RUNNING BACKS HAVE TO COMMIT QUICKER AND THE OL HAS TO GIVE THAT 1 TO 2 EXTRA SECONDS. IT'S LIKE BLOCKING FOR A DRAW ON EVERY PLAY AND LET ME TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE THAT SUCKS AND IT'S TOO MUCH TOO ASK THE OL TO DO ON 90 % OF THE RUNNING PLAYS.
 
Maybe its one of those things where you review the game film and it wasn;t as bad as it seemed live.
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I discovered that the only time I majorly disected game film as a fan, which was O'Brian's first and only year as OC. Everyone complained about play calling, including me, so I decided to start charting plays. After spending a lot of time, I discovered that essentially everyone whining about the playcalling was full of shit, even me, if you actually take every play into account. Human brains work on cognitave biases like primacy and recency, which tend to obscure our memories of what actually happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias
 
What really has me concerned is our in-ability to convert on 3rd and short. It hurt us aganist ND and it will bite us again. Is it the play calling because theres no confidence in the OL....not sure, but I sure would love to be able to line up in a power I in 3rd and short situations and run right at somebody with confidence that we could pick up a couple of yards when we really need it. I thought our OL had gotten to that point this year. Maybe it will
 
It seems that we run the following run plays pretty regularly:

1. QB Choice - I think Reggie has given to the RB just about 100% of the time. I find it difficult to believe that he shouldn't be keeping more. The exchange between the QB and RB looks sloppy and the trajectory of the RB seems overly committed to the sideline (IMO).

2. Speed Option - Reggie never gets vertical for there to really be an option. The defense just flows to the sideline.

3. QB Draw - Works great. Why? When Reggie is the RB we effectively have an extra blocker.

4. Power I - We never, ever hand the ball off to FB. Cox has more pass attempts than rushing attempts over the past two seasons so who do think the D is going to key on. The D just lets Cox through to the 2nd level everytime. Can we let me take the ball with him maybe once or twice a game?

In addition, I find it hard to believe that we are consistently winning the physical battle when we are struggling in short yardage situations.
 
The short yardage is a huge concern for me as well. This is when we should bring in our goal line offense and do the power I or have 3 TE's and do quick hitters.

In order for the option to work RB has to stay close to the line and make the LB or DE commit to him and if not then turn it up and if they commit pitch it, but as it stands now RB is already 5 yards deep and the defense is just going to mirror RB and the DB is going to mirror the running back. Very bad play in that situation.
 
refrigeratormover said:
In order for the option to work RB has to stay close to the line and make the LB or DE commit to him and if not then turn it up and if they commit pitch it, but as it stands now RB is already 5 yards deep and the defense is just going to mirror RB and the DB is going to mirror the running back. Very bad play in that situation.
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JD,
This part of it is what scares the living madula out of me. When he does decide to pitch it..BEWARE !!! Who knows where it will go.

Wonder if they spend much time at practice on the Option?
 
It seems that we run the following run plays pretty regularly:
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I think this is some of cognitive biases JT.

1. QB Choice - I think Reggie has given to the RB just about 100% of the time. I find it difficult to believe that he shouldn't be keeping more. The exchange between the QB and RB looks sloppy and the trajectory of the RB seems overly committed to the sideline (IMO).
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I disagree 100%. Reggie is keeping over 1/3 of the time, and you're mentally registering Ball's keeps as "QB Draws." Choice is headed towards the sideline because that's the read. We're running it out of a loaded formation to one side. If the defense overloads towards where all our WRs are, Reggie keeps. If they cover evenly, Reggie hands off, and Choice goes where we have the numbers advantage. I think this is one of our stronger plays, because its option, but it's preread option so its easier for Reggie to run.

2. Speed Option - Reggie never gets vertical for there to really be an option. The defense just flows to the sideline.
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I've been critical of our speed option too. It's a good play in theory, but we're not running it properly. The same guy chasing Reggie makes the tackle on the RB. Maybe if we lined up the RB in more of a setback slot position and got to the pitch quicker it'd work.

3. QB Draw - Works great. Why? When Reggie is the RB we effectively have an extra blocker.
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There's another reason it works great - defenses aren't respecting our ability to throw over the middle, so there's nobody there in zone to catch him when he runs.

4. Power I - We never, ever hand the ball off to FB. Cox has more pass attempts than rushing attempts over the past two seasons so who do think the D is going to key on. The D just lets Cox through to the 2nd level everytime. Can we let me take the ball with him maybe once or twice a game?
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Well if he's getting to the secondary, he's not doing his job. He's supposed to seal block. I agree we should hand the ball off more to the FB, but for different reasons. I don't think we have any prayer of recruiting a good FB if we don't use the FB position. :)

In addition, I find it hard to believe that we are consistently winning the physical battle when we are struggling in short yardage situations.
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They're overloading the box, because they've tracked our short yardage tendencies. Play action passing to the FB or TE has worked very well in short yardage situations for the past two games.

Again, just one idiot's opinion.
 
I have thought our pass blocking has been good all year. It was, in the UVA game, until we were up 24 -0 and they got two sacks in one series.

The run blocking seems to me to be weak but maybe it is TC not hitting the holes fast enough or the finesse style of blocking that is handcuffing the OLmen.

At times the run blocking has looked good (first half of the ND game) and we are leading the ACC in rushing I think...
 
We miss PJ Daniels. He hit the hole fast, and when there was no hole, he hit the defender hard and could push for a yard or two. Choice likes to pick his hole and the other two backs lack the size and strength Daniels had.

It's funny how the line always looked better when PJ was healthy.
 
beej67 said:
I disagree 100%. Reggie is keeping over 1/3 of the time, and you're mentally registering Ball's keeps as "QB Draws." Choice is headed towards the sideline because that's the read.
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Gotta take exception beej, the RB runs to the sideline to draw the defender outside to allow Reggie the open field on the draw. The majority of our options we have pitched the ball. Fact is on the draw the QB doesn't commit to one side or the other, on the option he does. Anytime Reggie commits to one side of the ball from the get go we know its an option when the RB is in suit, and typically he pitches it close to 100% of the time.
 
Gotta take exception beej, the RB runs to the sideline to draw the defender outside to allow Reggie the open field on the draw. The majority of our options we have pitched the ball. Fact is on the draw the QB doesn't commit to one side or the other, on the option he does. Anytime Reggie commits to one side of the ball from the get go we know its an option when the RB is in suit, and typically he pitches it close to 100% of the time.
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JT and I were talking about the QB Choice, and I believe you're talking abotu the Speed Option. There is no "pitch" on the QB Choice. It's a handoff that either the RB or QB gets, and then they both run different directions. It's the play Northwestern won the Big 10 on several years ago, the one Texas ran about 10 times in the NC game, and the one the Falcons ate Tampa up on last week.
 
Terminology is getting a little difficult on here. We have a running back named choice, and a play called the QB choice. We also refer to Choice as our running back or RB, yet these are also the initials of the quarterback who runs a play called Choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
And that is why it would be so much simpler if Cox would lead Ball into the hole. Of course there could be Choice on the proper hole. The defense typically mandates what we will be able to do.

These have been the fundamentals of this game forever. Why try to reinvent the wheel? :eek5:
 
gtfan1147 said:
Terminology is getting a little difficult on here. We have a running back named choice, and a play called the QB choice. We also refer to Choice as our running back or RB, yet these are also the initials of the quarterback who runs a play called Choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No wonder Reggie is confused!! When Nix calls QB Choice he things he is supposed to give it to Choice:laugher:

Is the read really done before the play based on the defense formation? Is that generally true for this play in this offense or does Beej have inside knowledge?
 
pocket_watch said:
And that is why it would be so much simpler if Cox would lead Ball into the hole.
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During my perusal of the UVa game, I noted 3 QB draws of that nature in the first half (there may have been a couple more, but I didn't take particular note of them for whatever reason.) On all 3 of these, the play was clearly designed for Ball to follow Cox. On 2 out of 3, Ball decided to do some other thing for whatever reason, resulting in no gain and 3-4 yard loss. The one where he followed Cox went for 11-12 yards. I think the one for no gain was our first play from scrimmage.
 
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