8" Tall Grass

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Weis loves to play games and try to get a psychological edge if he can (Chan you listening?). Anyway, I fully expect ND to have 8" tall grass when we play them.

This will keep those blitzing linebackers away from their young quarterback. I hope we are prepared for this reality. There were a couple of games in the past where we didn't do so well on a slow field.
 
lol. are you serious? USC fabricated the "tall grass" myth to make an excuse for why they almost lost. USC fans also said that the grass at UCLA was too long last year when they lost. can't believe everything you read.


news flash: both teams have to play in the tall grass... not just the opposing team.


funny that you actually believed this, though.
 
Stupid comment. Teams that are used to a quirky field, especially one that is markedly different from the norm have an advantage You know, fast track versus slow for example? It's why MLB teams all tailor their fields to their team.

That said, I don't have any idea what ND may do with their grass. But if in fact they do cut it much higher than what teams are used to, it will give them an advantage.
 
not a stupid comment at all.


the whole conspiracy theory behind the tall grass is that it slows everyone down, giving the team with the slower players a more even playing ground. but, the ignorance of the theory is that tall grass slows everyone down... not just the fast people. so, how exactly, does that benefit either team? Running on grass isn't rocket science... it doesn't take a genius to understand how to do it. you make it sound like practicing in rough grass makes you better in rough grass.... how so? regardless, it's a stupid excuse that originated from USC's coaches and players to explain why they almost lost to ND. back in 2005, USC also had a WR injured, and they blamed the injury on the tall grass as well, but if you watch the tape, the dude tripped over his own two feet... it had nothing to do with the grass. the media then takes these claims and plays them up to get better ratings (since we all know controversy brings in ratings). watch the game tape.... or just watch game highlights, then come back to tell me whether or not the grass looks suspicious in any way at all. i'm sure you can find some HD replays somewhere.

it's pretty lame when you attack ND by basically saying that Weis will "cheat" his way to advantages. have you EVER heard of another team that complained about the grass height at ND stadium? no. The only team to ever complain about it was USC... who also complained about UCLA's grass when they lost. go figure.
 
Tall grass favors power teams over speed teams, just like wet fields and snow do.

Tall grass definitely boned us vs Utah.

(that and sensimilla grass)
 
Tall grass favors power teams over speed teams, just like wet fields and snow do.

Tall grass definitely boned us vs Utah.

(that and sensimilla grass)

Guys, I grew up playing on taller grass, or bluegrass or a fescue grass like ND has. It is not a wirey grass like bermuda, it is very fine. Down here we play on bermuda, which is cut short b/c if its not, the runners the grass sends out will grab your spikes. Point is this, the tall grass that ND has DOES NOT slow you down. it is a bunch of junk. It is a very fine grass that is cut about 1.5" tall....thats it...as opposed to what we are used to down here .5-.75". Its a visual thing. But it doesn't do crap to slow anyone down. If they mowed that type of grass to .5", it would burn out and couldn't survive the winter; it isn't some conspiracy.

Bottom line, the type of grass used up there isn't so think and clumpy that its like running in sand. Its not...it is a thin bladed grass that as long as the field is not wet will play quick. Maybe not .5" bermuda quick, but quick enough to not be a huge player.

Secondly Weiss runs a passing attack WR offense. Short grass = better advantage for the offense and WR. Why would he want a slow track? It slows WR cuts down and enables the D to be in position easier. None of this makes sense.

Now if they soak the field the night before the game with water...I will buy it...but otherwise the only times a truly slow track effects you is when its wet or muddy....
 
Well, first of all I specifically said I don't know anything about Notre Dame stadium or the grass or how high they normally cut it. But IF they cut the grass 8" high, then it will give them an advantage, at least at first, because who the hell runs in 8"high grass?
 
not a stupid comment at all.


the whole conspiracy theory behind the tall grass is that it slows everyone down, giving the team with the slower players a more even playing ground. but, the ignorance of the theory is that tall grass slows everyone down... not just the fast people. so, how exactly, does that benefit either team? Running on grass isn't rocket science... it doesn't take a genius to understand how to do it. you make it sound like practicing in rough grass makes you better in rough grass.... how so? regardless, it's a stupid excuse that originated from USC's coaches and players to explain why they almost lost to ND. back in 2005, USC also had a WR injured, and they blamed the injury on the tall grass as well, but if you watch the tape, the dude tripped over his own two feet... it had nothing to do with the grass. the media then takes these claims and plays them up to get better ratings (since we all know controversy brings in ratings). watch the game tape.... or just watch game highlights, then come back to tell me whether or not the grass looks suspicious in any way at all. i'm sure you can find some HD replays somewhere.

it's pretty lame when you attack ND by basically saying that Weis will "cheat" his way to advantages. have you EVER heard of another team that complained about the grass height at ND stadium? no. The only team to ever complain about it was USC... who also complained about UCLA's grass when they lost. go figure.

First off, this did not start with the USC coaches. That's just the only place you know of. This topic and theory has been going on for a long long time. Not just that USC/ND game.

I didn't take his comment as saying your coach will cheat to gain an advantage.

Since you know so much, why don't you go ask Coach Weise about this theory. He's the genius, right? Or, is that you?

Funny thing is your believe yourself. :laugher:
 
First off, this did not start with the USC coaches. That's just the only place you know of. This topic and theory has been going on for a long long time. Not just that USC/ND game.
then where did it start? enlighten me. and why wasn't it made public before 2005 if it was such a big deal? you apparently have the answers, and i would like to hear them.

I didn't take his comment as saying your coach will cheat to gain an advantage.
really? well, that's your take on it then. we disagree. this does not mean that you are either right or wrong. however, he was insinuating that he wouldn't be surprised if Weis took an unethical approach to gaining an edge.... what exactly would you call that accusation?

Since you know so much
you are saying that you obviously know more, which is why i am hanging in suspense to learn of your knowledge in this area.

why don't you go ask Coach Weise
Weis.

about this theory.
he already addressed the "high grass" fallacy... and he laughed about the whole ordeal. no need to ask a question that has already been answered. additionally, i thought 33jacket gave a great post with even more insight into the situation.


He's the genius, right? Or, is that you?
did i ever say i was a genius? i simply gave facts about the situation.

Funny thing is your believe yourself. :laugher:
funny thing is that you have to assert your superiority on the internet.
 
The grass is higher then most schools stadiums that is indeed a fact. The only advantage it gives is getting used to running in all that, you said the grass is thin but actually its thick when its all together like they usually have it. ND is always slow and it slows them down even more. Phil Wheeler doesnt care what kind of grass is out there, hes full speed all the time. The grass will have no effect on the game. I believe if you take a look at the corner practice field you might see a difference then what it normally is;)
 
Secondly Weiss runs a passing attack WR offense. Short grass = better advantage for the offense and WR. Why would he want a slow track? It slows WR cuts down and enables the D to be in position easier. None of this makes sense.

I think the opposite is true. The WR knows where he's going to go while the DB has to react. That at least appears to be what happened against Utah on a couple of their touchdowns.
 
While it is true that longer grass will slow down everybody, the differential is larger for faster teams than slower teams. It helps "even the field" for the slower team. Slow will still be slow but fast will be noticeably slower.

Example 1 - ND grew thier grass longer for the USC game 2 years ago. USC pulled that game out in the last minute with the Reggie Bush "push". The following year at USC on a proper cut field, USC beat ND easily.

Example 2 - E Cobb County, GA. Pope HS vs Marietta HS at Pope. Marietta had a killer ground game. The Pope janitor came to work on Friday AM and turned on the sprinkler on the football field. "Oh there's a game tonight?" and turned it off just before the Marietta busses showed up. Maietta only won by 3.

Long grass and other tricks can really "even" the field for slower teams playing faster teams. Faster teams usually still win but the margin is greatly reduced.
 
yooper, the grass had nothing to do with the 2005 USC/ND game.

why was it close in 2005 and a blowout in 2006? 3rd down conversions. ND couldn't convert 3rd downs in 2006... it had nothing to do with the grass. ND played incredible in 2005 but they were sloppy and error-prone in 2006 (not to mention the regression of OL play in the 2006 USC game).


you assume that USC blew ND out in 2006 and played even in 2005 b/c of only one variable: grass height. that's a causal fallacy. if you watch the 2005 game, it had little to do with speed. i dont think reggie bush noticed too much of a difference in 2005 when he ran 15 times for 160 yards.
 
why was it close in 2005 and a blowout in 2006? 3rd down conversions. ND couldn't convert 3rd downs in 2006... it had nothing to do with the grass.
Maybe the faster track helped the USC D get to the QB or ball carrier faster...limiting NDs 3rd down conversions.
 
Oatmeal, I've been watching college football on tv and in person since the 60's. The ND grass was the highest grass I have ever seen anywhere for that 2005 game. It was totally covering the players shoes and by my guess was probably 4" tall or more.

My guess is that normal football fields are cut to about 1.5" heights, maybe 2" in tougher weather situations. The post above about .5" to .75" is just not true. .5" is a fairway in golf.

The fact that Weis ignored the question doesn't mean it wasn't really there. Go running in 2" of snow and you'll find yourself naturally picking your feet up more and running slower. Longer grass, likewise, does in fact affect how you run and/or how you perceive yourself running.

All I mentioned here was that we should be prepared for it. We were completely not prepared in high wet grass out in San Francisco and totally got our butts handed to us. If I was in Weis' situation, I'd grow it 12" long if I could get away with it.
 
I think the opposite is true. The WR knows where he's going to go while the DB has to react. That at least appears to be what happened against Utah on a couple of their touchdowns.

Big difference between slipping due to wetness and a slow field. I am strictly talking about a slow field where you have traction. You are referring to slipping.
 
Oatmeal, I've been watching college football on tv and in person since the 60's. The ND grass was the highest grass I have ever seen anywhere for that 2005 game. It was totally covering the players shoes and by my guess was probably 4" tall or more.

My guess is that normal football fields are cut to about 1.5" heights, maybe 2" in tougher weather situations. The post above about .5" to .75" is just not true. .5" is a fairway in golf.

The fact that Weis ignored the question doesn't mean it wasn't really there. Go running in 2" of snow and you'll find yourself naturally picking your feet up more and running slower. Longer grass, likewise, does in fact affect how you run and/or how you perceive yourself running.

All I mentioned here was that we should be prepared for it. We were completely not prepared in high wet grass out in San Francisco and totally got our butts handed to us. If I was in Weis' situation, I'd grow it 12" long if I could get away with it.

I have been on our practice and stadium fields and they are both .5 - .75". A tadd taller than a fairway. Today's standard fairways are 3/8" FYI.

BDS is cut routinely at .75" -1" none of our facilities for football is the grass over 1".

I am trying to find an article on our stadium grass. Here is Arizonas, similar grass (bermuda in a very sunny tough environment), they cut their stadium to 5/8"
http://wc.arizona.edu/~wildcat/papers/90/33/01_3_m.html

we are very similar. I think your perception is off...bermuda grass stadiums are all under 1". It has to be...due to how bermuda grows.
 
I have been on our practice and stadium fields and they are both .5 - .75". A tadd taller than a fairway. Today's standard fairways are 3/8" FYI.

BDS is cut routinely at .75" -1" none of our facilities for football is the grass over 1".

I am trying to find an article on our stadium grass. Here is Arizonas, similar grass (bermuda in a very sunny tough environment), they cut their stadium to 5/8"
http://wc.arizona.edu/~wildcat/papers/90/33/01_3_m.html

we are very similar. I think your perception is off...bermuda grass stadiums are all under 1". It has to be...due to how bermuda grows.
Sounds like somebody knows there grass!:laugher:
 
4.4s become 4.6s in tall grass. 300lbs is still 300lbs though.

You just hit the nail square on the head. Coaches have done this for years to even the playing field to the home team's advantage.

I like your reply since it tells it as it is. :biggthumpup:
 
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