A Possible Plan To Consider

Nehru Jacket said:
This may be the most ridiculous post I’ve ever read on Stingtalk. Refuse to take the field for the second half? No wonder conspiracy theories abound now in America.
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I didn’t mean not play the 2nd half. But, we’ve already seen these kind of mini protests in sports and they always work. Clemson/VT delay returning to the field for 10-15 minutes. The network would be all over it and it would be a major FU to the ACC suits sitting in their luxury boxes. The point is if this conference becomes a hostage situation there are plenty of things the individual schools could do to force their hands. And like they did with NC State the ACC will fold like the cheap tent it is.
 
gtchief said:
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So, is the guy on the right Cabrera, and the other dude TSTAN?
 
I say we pull a little Cumberland/Heisman-UCF mashup. We just proclaim ourselves members of the SEC or Big 10, and send out a self-generated conference schedule. If the other schools don't show up for the games, that's a forfeit victory for Tech. You let us in your conference or we'll be sharing conference titles with your champs every year.

I'll delete this post in one hour.
 
Notre Dame has old-school beef with the Big Ten and will obviously never join the SEC. The only impact they would ever have on us is joining the ACC and turning it into a competitor with the Big Ten-SEC axis. We're not joining one of the big two on ND's coattails, and we have enough to offer the Big Ten without considering ND.
 
GTYJ said:
Biggest jerk on this forum.
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Says a guy who wants to BEG Notre Dame to please, please, PLEASE HELP UP FOR ALL THAT IS HOLY. PLEASE GOD AND TOUCHDOWN JESUS SAVE US.

Are you this big of a pussy in all areas of your life? Grow a ööööing set already and man TF up.
 
JJacket said:
Says a guy who wants to BEG Notre Dame to please, please, PLEASE HELP UP FOR ALL THAT IS HOLY. PLEASE GOD AND TOUCHDOWN JESUS SAVE US.

Are you this big of a pussy in all areas of your life? Grow a ööööing set already and man TF up.
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What do you envision as the future of Tech athletics? What is your plan to keep Tech athletics competitive at the highest level? Do you think the ACC is going to stay as it is by paying its members about one-third the money teams in the SEC and Big Ten receive? Do you think Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, UVA and others will stay in the ACC if they get invited to the Big Ten or the SEC? How much a year in TV money do you think the teams that are left in the ACC after the next round of expansion will get? How do you think the GTAA will stay in business getting one-half or one-third the money it gets now?
 
CiraldoForever said:
What do you envision as the future of Tech athletics? What is your plan to keep Tech athletics competitive at the highest level? Do you think the ACC is going to stay as it is by paying its members about one-third the money teams in the SEC and Big Ten receive? Do you think Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, UVA and others will stay in the ACC if they get invited to the Big Ten or the SEC? How much a year in TV money do you think the teams that are left in the ACC after the next round of expansion will get? How do you think the GTAA will stay in business getting one-half or one-third the money it gets now?
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I want to know why you think we don't belong in the group of ACC schools you named. What does Clemson do for the BIG10? What does FSU do? Neither school has near the endowment of of GT and that is important to the BIG10. FSU has an endowment of $900 million. Clemson is right at $1 billion - half of the endowment of the lowest endowment of a BIG10 member, Rutgers.

GT has a $2 billion+ endowment and the SECOND highest total enrollment in the ACC (all students). GT has won 4 Natty's. GT has a 120 year football tradition. The trophy given to the most outstanding player of the year is named after a GT coach. GT's campus is modernizing and growing at an incredible clip in the capital of the south, Atlanta, Ga. We are not podunk Clemson, SC nor are we ööööty Tallahassee, Fl. We've even won the SEC more than half the current SEC teams have.
 
I agree with everything you said about the positive attributes of Georgia Tech. I hope these things would be sufficient to get Tech invited to join the Big Ten or the SEC. But, from what I have read and heard from media and message boards, I do not feel very encouraged about Tech's prospects. The prevailing view seems to be that Tech would not add anything to the SEC because they feel like they already have dominance in the Atlanta TV market and the Atlanta recruiting territory. The SEC does not seem to value Tech's academics or sports history, plus a significant number of SEC schools may not want to invite Tech. There is more hope for Tech regarding the Big Ten, which seems to value Tech's academic excellence, TV market, and recruiting territory. Unfortunately, however, I see more mention of UNC, UVA, Miami, FSU and even Duke and others than of Tech with respect to the Big Ten. I think that Tech's athletic future is at risk. If we don't end up in the SEC or the Big Ten, I think we'll be done for in sports. I do not think the ACC will survive as a top tier conference. I don't think ND will ever join the ACC, and I think the major schools in the ACC will split between the SEC and the Big Ten. So, I think Tech should spare no effort in trying to get into the Big Ten or the SEC. Furthermore, I think there could be a chance for Tech to work with ND as I described above. I have not heard what, if anything, Tech's President or AD are doing to try to deal with this situation. I hope I am wrong and that the Big Ten or the SEC will consider Tech's attributes and invite Tech to join. However, I am very concerned.
 
CiraldoForever said:
I agree with everything you said about the positive attributes of Georgia Tech. I hope these things would be sufficient to get Tech invited to join the Big Ten or the SEC. But, from what I have read and heard from media and message boards, I do not feel very encouraged about Tech's prospects. The prevailing view seems to be that Tech would not add anything to the SEC because they feel like they already have dominance in the Atlanta TV market and the Atlanta recruiting territory. The SEC does not seem to value Tech's academics or sports history, plus a significant number of SEC schools may not want to invite Tech. There is more hope for Tech regarding the Big Ten, which seems to value Tech's academic excellence, TV market, and recruiting territory. Unfortunately, however, I see more mention of UNC, UVA, Miami, FSU and even Duke and others than of Tech with respect to the Big Ten. I think that Tech's athletic future is at risk. If we don't end up in the SEC or the Big Ten, I think we'll be done for in sports. I do not think the ACC will survive as a top tier conference. I don't think ND will ever join the ACC, and I think the major schools in the ACC will split between the SEC and the Big Ten. So, I think Tech should spare no effort in trying to get into the Big Ten or the SEC. Furthermore, I think there could be a chance for Tech to work with ND as I described above. I have not heard what, if anything, Tech's President or AD are doing to try to deal with this situation. I hope I am wrong and that the Big Ten or the SEC will consider Tech's attributes and invite Tech to join. However, I am very concerned.
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I doubt that TStan or Cabrera are doing a damn thing. They are totally worthless in my opinion.
 
I share CiraldoForever’s concern. I agree that we need to do all that can be done to be considered by either the Big 10 or SEC. If that proves disappointing we need to be rallying with other schools left out to strengthen our commitment to one another, market our product to maximize media revenue, and step up with our conference to compete for the public's Interest aganst the two super conferences.

That does not mean that five years from now we may indeed be competing in football with no pathway to winning the national title. We may simply be a second tier school. That does not mean the end of our football and sports program. It means we will be competing with other schools left out of the top tier. We will be competing for conference titles and for a championship not unlike how schools not at the top level do today. Revenue will be less, but expenses will be less bloated. Who knows, we may learn to compete with a more sustainable model.

The emerging super two conferences will not be without problems. They will still have great inequities - trying to pretend you are the true superpower conferences with teams like Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois, Missouri, Northwestern, Purdue, South Carolina, UCLA, Mississippi State, Kentucky, Minnesota and Vanderbilt. These 13 schools that are in no way great football programs make up 40.6% of the current rosters of the SEC and Big 10.

So, the bottom line is join them if you can, compete hard against them if you can’t. Try and make your brand of football fun for players, appealing to fans, and marketable to the media. Frankly, I would not play any of the teams in the super conferences - let them beat up on one another every game. Who knows who will have the last laugh ten or fifteen years from now? Becoming the Washington Generals for cash may not be the best thing for Georgia Tech in the long run.
 
77GTFan said:
I share CiraldoForever’s concern. I agree that we need to do all that can be done to be considered by either the Big 10 or SEC. If that proves disappointing we need to be rallying with other schools left out to strengthen our commitment to one another, market our product to maximize media revenue, and step up with our conference to compete for the public's Interest aganst the two super conferences.

That does not mean that five years from now we may indeed be competing in football with no pathway to winning the national title. We may simply be a second tier school. That does not mean the end of our football and sports program. It means we will be competing with other schools left out of the top tier. We will be competing for conference titles and for a championship not unlike how schools not at the top level do today. Revenue will be less, but expenses will be less bloated. Who knows, we may learn to compete with a more sustainable model.

The emerging super two conferences will not be without problems. They will still have great inequities - trying to pretend you are the true superpower conferences with teams like Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois, Missouri, Northwestern, Purdue, South Carolina, UCLA, Mississippi State, Kentucky, Minnesota and Vanderbilt. These 13 schools that are in no way great football programs make up 40.6% of the current rosters of the SEC and Big 10.

So, the bottom line is join them if you can, compete hard against them if you can’t. Try and make your brand of football fun for players, appealing to fans, and marketable to the media. Frankly, I would not play any of the teams in the super conferences - let them beat up on one another every game. Who knows who will have the last laugh ten or fifteen years from now? Becoming the Washington Generals for cash may not be the best thing for Georgia Tech in the long run.
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The difficult thing is predicting what will be out there after the Superconfetences have finished forming. So you kind of have to go for the money if you can get it.
 
midatlantech said:
The difficult thing is predicting what will be out there after the Superconfetences have finished forming. So you kind of have to go for the money if you can get it.
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Of course you do. But I don’t see them going past 24 apiece anytime soon. There just are not that many schools that play football well and make TV sense to advertisers . Oregon, FSU, Miami, Oklahoma State, Arizona, Arizona State, UNC, California, Stanford, Notre Dame, Clemson, West Virginia, Colorado, Baylor, Washington and Virginia are a possible sixteen that could expand the two conferences to 24 each and 48 total.

What would be left to then create a “next 48”? From the ACC you would have GT, Louisville, N C State, Wake, Duke, Pitt, Syracuse, Virginia Tech and BC. From the Big 12 Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, BYU, Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Iowa State and TCU. From the PAC 12 you would have Utah, Washington State and Oregon State. That’s 21 of 48 coming from the Power 5. You pick the next best 27 from the AAC, Sun Belt, CUSA, and Mountain West.

What you don’t take from those conferences and the MAC combine with the best from the Football Championship Division for the third 48. Each should play only in their group of 48 and stage their own championships.

This model could work. And, if you really wanted to make college football exciting with this system, relegate and promote about six or eight teams every four years.
 
77GTFan said:
I share CiraldoForever’s concern. I agree that we need to do all that can be done to be considered by either the Big 10 or SEC. If that proves disappointing we need to be rallying with other schools left out to strengthen our commitment to one another, market our product to maximize media revenue, and step up with our conference to compete for the public's Interest aganst the two super conferences.

That does not mean that five years from now we may indeed be competing in football with no pathway to winning the national title. We may simply be a second tier school. That does not mean the end of our football and sports program. It means we will be competing with other schools left out of the top tier. We will be competing for conference titles and for a championship not unlike how schools not at the top level do today. Revenue will be less, but expenses will be less bloated. Who knows, we may learn to compete with a more sustainable model.

The emerging super two conferences will not be without problems. They will still have great inequities - trying to pretend you are the true superpower conferences with teams like Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois, Missouri, Northwestern, Purdue, South Carolina, UCLA, Mississippi State, Kentucky, Minnesota and Vanderbilt. These 13 schools that are in no way great football programs make up 40.6% of the current rosters of the SEC and Big 10.

So, the bottom line is join them if you can, compete hard against them if you can’t. Try and make your brand of football fun for players, appealing to fans, and marketable to the media. Frankly, I would not play any of the teams in the super conferences - let them beat up on one another every game. Who knows who will have the last laugh ten or fifteen years from now? Becoming the Washington Generals for cash may not be the best thing for Georgia Tech in the long run.
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I admire your positive attitude towards even what, to me, would be a worst case scenario. I guess, if I were young, I might agree. But, I have been going to Tech games since the late 1950s. It would just be sad to me to see Tech not in position to compete against big teams for major bowls and the possibility of a national championship. The down sized Tech football program would just be too sad to watch to me. I understand that is not a very loyal attitude, and I feel bad about that. But, I think if our President and AD don't find a way to keep Tech in top tier football, they will have failed and Tech should just drop sports. I hate to say this and dread to hear what people say about my attitude, but that's how I feel. That's why I'd be willing to see Tech take less than a full share to get into the Big Ten or the SEC.
 
Interesting idea but if I'm ND, who may be the only team with leverage in this new world order, if presented with such a deal, I would shop around and likely find someone even more desperate who would offer even more of a percentage. There would be a bidding war. Even if you negotiate a team payout less than you currently receive from the ACC, the overall increase in value of the athletic program may still make it a net positive valuation play.
 
CiraldoForever said:
I agree with everything you said about the positive attributes of Georgia Tech. I hope these things would be sufficient to get Tech invited to join the Big Ten or the SEC. But, from what I have read and heard from media and message boards, I do not feel very encouraged about Tech's prospects. The prevailing view seems to be that Tech would not add anything to the SEC because they feel like they already have dominance in the Atlanta TV market and the Atlanta recruiting territory. The SEC does not seem to value Tech's academics or sports history, plus a significant number of SEC schools may not want to invite Tech. There is more hope for Tech regarding the Big Ten, which seems to value Tech's academic excellence, TV market, and recruiting territory. Unfortunately, however, I see more mention of UNC, UVA, Miami, FSU and even Duke and others than of Tech with respect to the Big Ten. I think that Tech's athletic future is at risk. If we don't end up in the SEC or the Big Ten, I think we'll be done for in sports. I do not think the ACC will survive as a top tier conference. I don't think ND will ever join the ACC, and I think the major schools in the ACC will split between the SEC and the Big Ten. So, I think Tech should spare no effort in trying to get into the Big Ten or the SEC. Furthermore, I think there could be a chance for Tech to work with ND as I described above. I have not heard what, if anything, Tech's President or AD are doing to try to deal with this situation. I hope I am wrong and that the Big Ten or the SEC will consider Tech's attributes and invite Tech to join. However, I am very concerned.
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cc: President Cabrera
 
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