A serious question for the FB experts...

How hard can it be to find a TE with decent hands? This is Div 1 football isn't it? A TE that is 0 threat at receiving is not a TE, more like an extra tackle. Taking away the TE from the offensive scheme takes away a lot of potential production, I don't get it.
If they were leaving the middle of the field open so much, why not run a tight end drag or something, surely our TE can catch a simple 7 yard pass over the middle and under the LB coverage??

Seems like the offense we ran in Highschool has more breadth to it than ours.
 
MaconGTfan said:
How hard can it be to find a TE with decent hands? This is Div 1 football isn't it? A TE that is 0 threat at receiving is not a TE, more like an extra tackle. Taking away the TE from the offensive scheme takes away a lot of potential production, I don't get it.
If they were leaving the middle of the field open so much, why not run a tight end drag or something, surely our TE can catch a simple 7 yard pass over the middle and under the LB coverage??

Seems like the offense we ran in Highschool has more breadth to it than ours.
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The future at TE has hands...Peek and Barrick
 
Macon, the NFL only has a handful of tight ends that have hands good enough to be considered a real consistent offensive option. Maybe that helps in your answer.
 
I don't think anybody is saying that the TE should be a primary focus, but it would be nice to see the TE get 1-3 catches a game just to show our opponents that they have to account for the TE.
 
JTS said:
I don't think anybody is saying that the TE should be a primary focus, but it would be nice to see the TE get 1-3 catches a game just to show our opponents that they have to account for the TE.
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I think we all agree with that...as does CG...regarding the TE position...and we have recruited that way beginning two years ago. Who would have guessed George Cooper would not have worked out in a big way...he was one of our top recruits.

I am sure he would have also liked to throw to Cox in a couple of instances last Saturday night...I expect that to change.
 
I can't buy one reason posted here on why the offense can't get it done. If Reggie can't do everything expected of a quarterback then you move him out and move someone else in. Period.

You know, I've never seen George Cooper drop a pass. I've seen him catch maybe 3, maybe 4 passes and the catches always spark a debate on why we don't throw to him.

As for one comment about the offense throwing wide to open up running in the middle? I have never heard this kind of reasoning at any level of football.

I have something to toss out here for the defenders of Reggie's play and the coaching of the Gailey/Nix offense........most if not all of you readily admit that Reggie has liabilities at quarterback. Most if not all of you readily admit the coaches are aware of the liabilities. Most of you believe that Reggie is not the guy who can place Tech's offense on his shoulders and lead the team to victory...........question for all of you......is this the guy who should be put in a position where he generates 75 percent of the teams offense? 190 of 250 yards or so offense against Notre Dame? And 250 yards a game won't get you to Jacksonville!

This is a guy whose job should be to get everyone involved in the offense.....he should know it and the coaches should know it too. Tech stops itself in virtually every game of the Gailey, Nix, Reggie era. Reggie's draws run right into what the opposition hopes to get from Tech......they will gladly give up a few yards in exchange for keeping C. Johnson, T. Choice and friends including one George Cooper from lighting up the scoreboard.

This offense is a total waste of all of our time discussing.....though we will anyway. Frankly, I think it is too late to believe that the trio of Gailey, Nix, and Reggie have what it takes to develop a successful offense.
 
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midatlantech said:
Macon, the NFL only has a handful of tight ends that have hands good enough to be considered a real consistent offensive option. Maybe that helps in your answer.
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huh?

Every team in the NFL has a TE capable of catching the ball as do just about every div 1a college.

The excuses we make keep getting crazier...
 
goldmember said:
huh?

Every team in the NFL has a TE capable of catching the ball as do just about every div 1a college.

The excuses we make keep getting crazier...
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That's correct GM, the excuses do keep getting crazier! But I guess with some any excuse is better than no excuse!
 
There's a difference in being able to catch the ball and being a difference maker (consistent offensive threat). If you don't think so, just look over a list of TEs in the pros. Most are extra tackles who can slip out for a catch periodically. That said, we should be able to do the same with the TEs we currently have. We're not asking someone to be a featured receiver. What we need is 2 catches a game just to loosen up the defense in the middle and take some pressure off the rest of the offense.
 
Thanks NC. Yes, most TE's get thrown the ball a time or two a game. It's only the top of the list that gets thrown to often (Heap, etc.). And quite frankly, we throw to our TE's occassionally too, we just didn't do it against ND.

By the way, is Will Heller still in the NFL? He wasn't exactly a pass catching phenom. I think only Matvay was thrown to regularly for Tech in the last ten years.
 
I can't buy one reason posted here on why the offense can't get it done. If Reggie can't do everything expected of a quarterback then you move him out and move someone else in. Period.
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Thankfully, graduation will help with that. Thankfully we have some good prospects who might be able to replace him.

You know, I've never seen George Cooper drop a pass.
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I have.

Frankly, I think it is too late to believe that the trio of Gailey, Nix, and Reggie have what it takes to develop a successful offense.
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I think that depends on your definition of successful. If it's "do enough to win games" then I think they can be successful. If it's 500 yards, then I agree. We have a lot of previous data indicating that Reggie+Nix+CCG= not a particularly stellar offense.


The problem is that college football is a very quarterback driven sport, and good quarterbacks don't grow on trees. Reggie was a 3 star recruit nobody wanted, and we haven't gotten much better than him since he came into the program. And the only reason he started was because of Sugg's pre-halftime pick in the Fresno game.

Lets hope that between Threet and Nesbitt we can get some production out of the QB spot next year. Lets also hope that Reggie plays as best as he can this year, which means 55% completions, 40 yards rushing, and few turnovers.
 
SLJ, if you've never seen Cooper drop a pass, you hav't seen him play much. I personally have seen him drop plenty.
 
Leatherjacket said:
SLJ, if you've never seen Cooper drop a pass, you hav't seen him play much. I personally have seen him drop plenty.
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I seriously doubt you have seen him drop passes in games. Throwing to the tightend is a monumental occasion since the Chan Gailey era came to Tech. Dropping one would be a reason for the pro-Gailey crowd to utter "I told you thats why we don't throw to the tightend!" in chorus. I doubt I would forget that happening.
 
On TEs, our TEs do not drop the ball anymore than our non-CJ WRs. Should we stop throwing to them too?

On Reggie, every year the other QBs on our squad have had plenty of opportunities to beat Reggie and they haven't. Reggie is clearly our most accurate passer, best deciscion maker, and on top of that is a running threat unlike our other QBs. I know this because I have watched them practice with my own two eyes. If you want to complain about QB recruiting, QB coaching, or our offensive scheme, go ahead, but Reggie is clearly the best QB on our team.
 
JTS said:
On TEs, our TEs do not drop the ball anymore than our non-CJ WRs. Should we stop throwing to them too?

On Reggie, every year the other QBs on our squad have had plenty of opportunities to beat Reggie and they haven't. Reggie is clearly our most accurate passer, best deciscion maker, and on top of that is a running threat unlike our other QBs. If you want to complain about QB recruiting, QB coaching, or our offensive scheme, go ahead, but Reggie is clearly the best QB on our team.
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I agree that with you that he must appear to be the best during practices. But,if you are the coach, do you put someone else under center during game conditions to see what they can do (particularly given the output of our O over the last 3-4 years). Remember, based on practice and scrimmages, PJ Daniels was 6th team,IIRC. In his case it took injuries for him to ever see the field but I am of the opinion that some players shine in practice moreso than under the lights, while others do better under game conditions. Not saying bench RB, but occasionally bring in a changeup in an attempt to spark was has been a very non-productive O. For that matter, play the entire second string more. It helps morale, keeps players fresh, and allows coaches to find the diamonds in the rough so to speak.
 
JTS said:
On TEs, our TEs do not drop the ball anymore than our non-CJ WRs. Should we stop throwing to them too?

On Reggie, every year the other QBs on our squad have had plenty of opportunities to beat Reggie and they haven't. Reggie is clearly our most accurate passer, best deciscion maker, and on top of that is a running threat unlike our other QBs. I know this because I have watched them practice with my own two eyes. If you want to complain about QB recruiting, QB coaching, or our offensive scheme, go ahead, but Reggie is clearly the best QB on our team.
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JTS: Reggie Ball is better than Taylor Bennett. But that is no surprise. Bennett had very few Div 1 offers.....I believe Boise State was his only other offer. But better than Suggs or Bilbo in past seasons? No. Jonathan Garner has the tools but not the opportunity. Plus the offense as designed for Reggie makes no use of the skill players around him or the use of the middle of the field with the intermediate passing game......both are Garner's strengths. The intermediate passing game for Reggie Ball is a draw play:laugher:, a screen pass, or a toss to Calvin Johnson on the sideline and just beyond the line of scrimmage. I doubt Jonathan Garner, Matthew Stafford, Jonathan Cox, Chris Leak, or Matt Leinart could be successful in the latest version of the Gailey-Nix offense.
 
statelinejacket said:
Jonathan Garner has the tools but not the opportunity. Plus the offense as designed for Reggie makes no use of the skill players around him or the use of the middle of the field with the intermediate passing game......both are Garner's strengths.
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If Garner was better than Bennett, he would be the backup this year. I think that Bennett and Garner are pretty close with a slight edge to Bennett. I am hoping that the starter next year will come from Ingram, Threet, or Nesbitt because Bennett has not really progressed from last year. Garner looked to have improved somewhat, but not enough to get real excited about.
 
ncjacket said:
What we need is 2 catches a game just to loosen up the defense in the middle and take some pressure off the rest of the offense.
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Well of course that's all anyone wants. I don't think anyone believes that we have a Todd Heap on our roster or really need to. What we are searching for is some way to attack the middle of the field (left open by the CJ double teams) with a somewhat inacurate passer and the TE is a logical choice.

This is a typical internet argument, it's was the same with recruiting prior to this year.

Argument - we need to do better in recruiting than 50th and 11th in the ACC.
Response - we will never be a consistant top 10 recruiting class like Texas if you thing we will your just fooling yourself.

Well there is a lot of room for improvement in between just like our TE's. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.
 
But better than Suggs or Bilbo in past seasons? No.
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You're out of your mind.

I was at a practice with JTS above, back when O'Brian was the OC, and pushing for Bilbo to start. We were running two minute drills, and Bilbo kept unconciously transposing the numbers in the play calls. Yeah, you don't want that in a QB.

Oh, and here's how the first half ended against Fresno State:

(timeout)
CCG: Listen, AJ, the half is almost over and we want to take a shot but don't do anything dumb. Take the snap, drop back 3 steps, and look at the safeties. If they're in Cover 2 throw the ball away, otherwise throw it to (some receiver - I think it was Glover).
Suggs: OK Coach

Suggs takes the field, takes the snap, Fresno drops back in base Cover 2, and Suggs throws the ball right to the safety, to be returned for a Fresno TD to end the half.

The decision to start Reggie (or *anyone* else) was made right then.
 
beejr67: Thats right, throw other quarterbacks away for their mental mistake(s) after less than 1 season in his time as coach but commit to one for 4 years whose game is so over simplfied that other skill players and areas of the field are completely removed from the schemes and gameplans.
 
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