Aaron Taylor’s Take

Schools with exceedingly rich, exceedingly popular, or exceedingly large alumni bases can compete. Others cannot. We are mired somewhere in between.
It’s not schools. It rich people who care about the school. That’s all it takes. GT could have kept Gibbs if they were paying to pay his price. We could have gotten Addison and QB’s if we were willing to pay the price. It’s an open market place now which is WAY better than the old system of everyone pretending players weren’t bought and then on signing day we see the same teams who bought the players ranked 1-10. Just wait until Oprah buys Deion all the stud players at Jax State. Watch Saban, Kirby, and Dabo whine and run to ESPN screaming, but, but, they can’t do that!!
 
I tell all my Ugag buddies that dont like the NFL, Havent you realized that your essentially watching the same thing in the SEC. They get paid the most out of all the College conferences and are playing to go to the NFL. So what's the difference

Liking college football for a not-so-insignificant portion of college football fans has very little to do with actual football. That should be obvious.
 
GT could have kept Gibbs if they were paying to pay his price. We could have gotten Addison and QB’s if we were willing to pay the price.
We could have...but our coaching situation is similar to the salary cap hell the Falcons are digging out of. They bit the bullet and finally moved on from Julio and Matt, but they can't realize that benefit until next year. We can't start asking alumni to pay players until we finally get all of the coaching payment hits behind us and a solid staff in place. Besides, why would an alum pay a player to go this this coach at this time? That's a waste of money until the staff gets its öööö together. If they turn it around this year and Long/Weinke (not Collins) come to the alumni next year and say they need THIS GUY, I think there will be more people willing to listen and help.

I also think there will be a recalibration of NIL in the next few years (not a change to how it works). People at other schools aren't paying these players to make the team a little better. They want championships (conference and national) and that is a very limited number of successful teams every year. How willing are people going to be to keep throwing money at their non-performing teams, even if they are improved? Players are going to find their options reduced as those people back off.
 
Why do the rich alumni at other schools care about sports and our rich alumni have no interest?
This is the sum of why we can't have nice things in the AA or win consistently. In the end, most of our alumni, including rich alumni, just don't care about athletics at all. As I have mentioned before, this is a direct result of attempting to maximize incoming student test scores, etc. There are costs to that approach and we're paying them.
 
prepare for the FBS to split into 2 different divisions.
If you thought it is impossible to recruit in the current FBS environment, try recruiting if youre in the lower FBS division. Bad idea. College football has always been the haves vs have nots. At least this line was imaginary and arbitrary rather than clearly defined with a lower FBS division.
 
Why do the rich alumni at other schools care about sports and our rich alumni have no interest?
For the same reason that most of our alumni were studying in the library on Saturday mornings and afternoons instead of tailgating and going to the home GT football game.
 
For the same reason that most of our alumni were studying in the library on Saturday mornings and afternoons instead of tailgating and going to the home GT football game.
This brings up an interesting question. Do smart people not like athletics, in particular football. I don’t find them mutually exclusive. That may be because I like football and pride won’t allow me to be put in the category that I may belong.
 
This monster was created by people like you and me. It's not possible to financially support a school while not financially supporting the NCAA, either directly or indirectly. Money speaks volumes. As long as fans spend money on tickets, team swag, etc the NCAA will continue to do what they do. We can complain all we want, but the amount of money they make during football season will drown what are essentially the crybabies in the ears of the NCAA. If everyone of us quit spending money on NCAA sports, they will listen in a heartbeat. However, football fans are so rabid that this will never happen. Not only will it never happen, they'll chastise anyone that doesn't financially support it. You can't have both. Actually you can - just attend the games and write your dear john letters on on the forums.
 
This brings up an interesting question. Do smart people not like athletics, in particular football. I don’t find them mutually exclusive. That may be because I like football and pride won’t allow me to be put in the category that I may belong.

I think this is the point where the real answer is demographics, not test scores. College football is a white male thing, at the end of the day. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but the Indian and Asian guys might find CFB to be an amusing novelty while they're in school and the odd exception to the rule might be an active fan after graduation, but it's incredibly uncommon. Just look in the stands in BDS/McCamish/Russ Chandler. They're 50% of the younger alumni base and 1% of the people in the stands. When you take an already small-ish undergrad population (GT is what, ~15,000?) but <50% of the population is white, you're left graduating somewhere around 4,000 white men per year (oh, and a decent chunk of THOSE are going to be either complete nerds, out-of-state, or both). Given that we attract zero sidewalk fans and a large chunk of grads move away from the south after graduation...

Selective schools with large proportions of international/Asian/Indian/out-of-state students like Michigan or Texas can get away with it by having massive student populations that still let them graduate the kind of people who value CFB and by having enormous amounts of unaffiliated fans, but we are permanently stuck with a tiny fanbase a la Vandy, Duke, Stanford, Boston College, etc.

I'd even argue it's more about total student population than selectiveness; it's just a confounding factor that selective schools tend to be smaller. There really isn't ever going to be a non-selective school with 10-15k undergrads in a P5 conference. You just have to compare our demographics that I listed above to somewhere like Alabama, which has 38,000 undergrad students, 84% of whom are white. I don't think that, on a pound-for-pound basis, GT white men are THAT much less likely to remain active GT fans after graduation than Alabama white men. It's just a numbers game, and that's before you even get into the sidewalk fan issue.
 
This brings up an interesting question. Do smart people not like athletics, in particular football. I don’t find them mutually exclusive. That may be because I like football and pride won’t allow me to be put in the category that I may belong.

There is a weird sort of “you can only be one thing” mentality that leads to a lot of nerdy people I hear on podcasts and stuff talking about “sportsball” and such. I’m a nerd that likes comics and video games, and also outdoors stuff and music and watching sports and playing sports. It’s ok to be into more than one thing.

JRjr
 
This brings up an interesting question. Do smart people not like athletics, in particular football. I don’t find them mutually exclusive. That may be because I like football and pride won’t allow me to be put in the category that I may belong.
A lot of the people I knew at Georgia Tech in the early 90’s were probably envied by jocks, considered “nerds” in high school, and got picked on by athletes. There is also the regional issue. A lot of the student body at Georgia Tech is not from the Southeast, which values football. Georgia Tech is just not a recipe for success in football. Neither is Stanford, Notre Dame or any elite academic school in the CFB landscape for the past quarter century.
 
The average student (smart people) absolutely do not like athletics or the athletes. Why? Because of what us alum saw in our time at GT. It’s all the special privileges they get that normal students don’t. Best dorms, best food, best facilities, tutors, the best word, let alone non-competitive admission, and then they get mad if we don’t go to their games like we saw from several players this year. I remember being in management classes that I didn’t know football and hoops players were in until test day. I still remember a stud WR from the 1990 team sitting next to me for a test when he had never been to the class until that point. I looked around and half the team was in there.

And it still comes back to GT becoming a non- Georgia school. When you admit folks with no ties to the culture of the area and end generational family ties to GT thru admissions this is what you get. It will be way worse in 30 years when the 80’s, 90’s, and 00’s alums get old (if we still field a team then). My son lives in a dorm across from the stadium and he was shocked this past fall when half the dorm could have cared less GT had a game that day. And the open TV’s all had soccer games playing on fall Saturdays. That use to be a code red violation. If he would have walked in and changed the channel to UVA/UNC he would have gotten a code red.
 
The average student (smart people) absolutely do not like athletics or the athletes. Why? Because of what us alum saw in our time at GT. It’s all the special privileges they get that normal students don’t. Best dorms, best food, best facilities, tutors, the best word, let alone non-competitive admission, and then they get mad if we don’t go to their games like we saw from several players this year. I remember being in management classes that I didn’t know football and hoops players were in until test day. I still remember a stud WR from the 1990 team sitting next to me for a test when he had never been to the class until that point. I looked around and half the team was in there.

And it still comes back to GT becoming a non- Georgia school. When you admit folks with no ties to the culture of the area and end generational family ties to GT thru admissions this is what you get. It will be way worse in 30 years when the 80’s, 90’s, and 00’s alums get old (if we still field a team then). My son lives in a dorm across from the stadium and he was shocked this past fall when half the dorm could have cared less GT had a game that day. And the open TV’s all had soccer games playing on fall Saturdays. That use to be a code red violation. If he would have walked in and changed the channel to UVA/UNC he would have gotten a code red.
I can now see the advantage of the UNC requirement for a percentage of in state acceptances. There should also be a required percentage for US citizens.
 
After Green Bay got this Aaron Taylor guard I wanted them to get the other one 3 years later just to have 2 guards named Aaron Taylor, but the other didn't make a squad past the practice squad for anybody anyway.
 
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