Academic Limitations

Originally posted by yellowfalcon56:
At the risk of engaging a low blow...I went to school with a certain DE from Tech, and I know for certain that he would have an extremely difficult time getting into to a JUCO much less Tech.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Exactly, we've gotten marginal kids into school and kept them in school for years. Hell we admitted Stephan Marbury. That all appears to be changing now and that is the biggest long term problem INMO.
 
Originally posted by ahsoisee:
Anyone that believes we lost today because of talent level reminds me of the ostrich. We lost today strictly because their coach prepared them better than our coaches prepared our players. Pure and simple. We do not need to weaken our requirements, but need to strengthen our coaching staff.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">aho, I completely agree. Tech != football. Never has, never will. If anyone of you think we should add any majors just so that we can beat UGA in football, you should have your priorities checked.

We can't just add majors and we shouldn't. We are pretty good at the majors we have. Engineering, enough said. We are spending $300M in construction for the management department. I don't know enough about the LCC department to comment on them, but I believe they slant heavily on the Internet and latest technologies. Look, we are not going to add consumer science or education as a major, lets work within the framework we have. Ross, O'leary, Dodd, and few others did just fine.
 
Originally posted by goldmember:
Exactly, we've gotten marginal kids into school and kept them in school for years. Hell we admitted Stephan Marbury. That all appears to be changing now and that is the biggest long term problem INMO.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Cremins has a letter in the latest Tech Topics magazine (I think) where he says that we should give special help to SAs since they work so hard on the field. He also thinks he made some mistakes (probaby means Marbury) in some risks that he took.

We need to get people who have a reasonable shot at graduating. Marbury was never one of them.
 
Originally posted by jimbobGT:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Originally posted by goldmember:
Exactly, we've gotten marginal kids into school and kept them in school for years. Hell we admitted Stephan Marbury. That all appears to be changing now and that is the biggest long term problem INMO.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Cremins has a letter in the latest Tech Topics magazine (I think) where he says that we should give special help to SAs since they work so hard on the field. He also thinks he made some mistakes (probaby means Marbury) in some risks that he took.

We need to get people who have a reasonable shot at graduating. Marbury was never one of them.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">You aint gonna win unless you take some risk, especially at a place like GT. Unfortunately, you must pick your poison with this one. What does a 'reasonable shot at graduating' mean anyway? If a kid is 300 points below the student average in SAT scores then the do have a reasonable chance but it they are 400 points below the average, they don't?
 
What a bunch of crapola!

We didn't lose today by the highest point total ever scored by UGA in a 100 years because of the kids playing and our high academic standards.

We got beat on defense, offense, special teams. Passing, punting, rushing, returns, you name it.

When everything falls apart there is only one place to out the blame or more appropriately, look for the solution; the Head Coach.

If the game was lost by a couple of ill-timed interceptions or fumbles. Or one side of the ball, we could say Gailey needs to make a change.

But when everything goes bad, Braine need to make a Head Coach change.

No more benefit of the doubt, no more wait till next year. Make a change now.
 
I agree 71 because these players were recruited with pretty much the same academic restrictions that other schools have. We might be losing to most of the schools in the ACC and UGA in a few years because of academic restrictions though.
 
I have to agree with the topic starter. Being Tech is being engineering and we are the best of the best when usnews comes calling...

having started some doctoral work over here in Auburn, the CoE folk here hate the fact that the rest of the colleges pulls their reputation and selectivity down. Most ball players here usually go into the dumbass majors because they are readily available.

So its true that excellence in ENGINEERING and football is a double edged sword, expanding the curriculum will lead to a pool of applicants that can actually get into tech having higher verbal scores on the SAT.
But, can you achieve brilliance in Engineering and have an IVY league caliber business,sciences and arts curriculum? Dont think so.

BTW, a collegue down here told me that we've won 4 national championships in 4 different conferences? is that true?
 
To close this topic out correctly:

Enjoy the academic high horse on which most of you ride, prepare for the coming disaster because 3 and 8 is right around the corner. Tech will never be more than a .500 program over the long haul, most of you are missing the fact that since Dodd left (the almighty Bobby Dodd who if you recalled chose to PULL us out of the SEC) we are a 500 program
 
Well, if not for the ease of recruiting, a reason for opening up the curriculum might be to get more women on this campus (which, as a matter of fact, would also help recruiting. All UGAg has to tell a stud high school RB is that men outnumber women at Tech more than 2 to 1).

As for the high-horse engineering snobs, your current brethren are not exactly enjoying themselves here at GT. Witness this hugely popular site:

GT Sux
 
Well I lost my original ID but it looks like, in hindsight, that some of you are coming around to the thoughts of the MacDaddy. Its ok, there is plenty of room on the Bandwagon
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Ga Tech is more than a football program. It is a beacon of academic excellence in the dismal darkness of the South
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Do I recall a lot of students getting caught cheating?? As I recall no one got expelled (maybe one) like happens at Virginia. Some beacon.
 
Well, well SouthGa showed his head earlier and now hear comes McDaddy out of hiding. I had just bragged about SouthGa and McDaddy without calling your names.

I had stated you had earned my respect by not bashing Gailey and giving him this season to correct things. I see I was wrong. GTFan, turn BeeWare lose and let him on here too. It is not fair to let all of the rats out of the hole except one.

Well lets see now, we have a round-up going here. Let me place a few more in the Mac lovers/ bash O'Leary group. We can add them to the list as they come on line.

At present, we have BeeWare (absent), Boddy Dodds Ghost, Father Wasp, MsTechAnalysis, SouthGa, McDaddy, and BeeBad. Wow, what a noble group of Tech supporters. Isn't it great to see such a loyal group of supporters at Tech to stand behind the program in tough times.

My heroes. Well anyone else want to join the list? That makes seven that wants to bring back O'leary or Mac. I know there are others out there wanting to run Gailey off and get these two back.

Come on folks join the club. I know we can at least double the club by the end of the week.

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Originally posted by DaveTech:
Do I recall a lot of students getting caught cheating?? As I recall no one got expelled (maybe one) like happens at Virginia. Some beacon.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">I think these situations are different. The football players are getting an education for free. I have nothing to support it, but I bet A LOT of parents were pissed when this cheating scandal broke out. They were the ones who made sure their kids wouldn't get thrown out and made this a big public issue.

BTW, if your grades drop below a 2.0 for more than 2 semesters, you get thrown out no matter what. Its school policy. If you cheat in a class, you are sent to the dean. School policy. Whether right or wrong, they followed the laid out procedures.

As for our classes being too hard for athletes, big friggin' BS. Athletes graduated under O'leary and Ross. We are always going to have a high drop out rate among athletes. Obviously, this is too high, but I would worry if the graduation rate of SAs was that close to regular students. The SAs need a lot of pushing to study. Its understandable, they have SAT score that are a few hundred points lower than the average student. I can be considered a FOC, but this is insane. Chan should have and still has to light a fire under the butts of these players and he needs to do it now!

We do NOT need to change our academics for 80 athletes. Chan needs to make sure kids go to class and do their work. Thats it.
 
Originally posted by Beezoner:
As for the high-horse engineering snobs, your current brethren are not exactly enjoying themselves here at GT. Witness this hugely popular site:

GT Sux
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">I know this is old, but I'm going to respond to it either way. This guy must have had his head in the clouds when he decided to come to Tech.

He complains about the homework problems that were assigned from a textbook! How is the Tech at fault for that? Maybe they could have picked a textbook that had more nicely worded problems, but I'm sure he would have problems with any text. And complains that the only way to get a good grade in physics if you spend 7 years "memorizing" all the info. If anyone tries to memorize physics, they are going to fail. If a student doesn't understand the material, you are going to fail. You cannot memorize how to do physics. Unfortunately, this is a big problem with incoming students. Just because they memorized their way through high school, it doesn't mean they can memorize through college.

Apparently Rowner is a crappy chem prof who showed up late to class. Wow, the horrors. It is unfortunate that the final was 70% of his grade, but he thinks he could pass the last 2 weeks without coming the previous 10? Right genius...

I agree about housing, it is a shaft.

The FASET scam...for some reason, he must have closed his eyes when walking around campus, not noticing the ratio of males to females. As for the dorms, he could have simply asked the housing department which buildings were designated for freshman, they would have told him. Guess he was too busy looking down some FASET co-eds blouse.

As I read the GT Sux webpage, I realize that Tech is actually too easy, idiots like him should not be allowed in.

Ok, I'm done ranting.
 
Nick, excellent point re: academics and Chan's job of getting them to go to class. Just because coaches all across the country understand that they need to stay on their SA's butts about going to class, why should Chan. He might be the laziest, burned out HC in the biz.

The longer he stays, the worse we will get.
 
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