ACC Says Bye Bye Gator Bowl

It's going to be the Independence Bowl in Shreveport versus a MWC team.
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Do you know which MWC team? If it's the second MWC team, I think the ACC will have trouble when we send our 7th team there.
 
The biggest issue to me is that we have lost a New Years Day bowl.

This is another argument for why bowls are stupid and we need a playoff. Bowls are not meant to crown a champion. What's the point of even playing hard in the regular season once you realize you won't make a BCS bowl? So that you can make money off some other bowl game that no one cares about. It would be much more interesting if you still had a shot at getting into a playoff.
 
There's two things that bowls want:
1. Highly ranked teams for TV ratings.
2. Traveling fanbase.
ACC has not been delivering on either, lately.
We need 2 teams in the top ten and 2-3 more in the second ten. That would go a long way to delivering both of the desirables. It would help to also have an effective negotiator in the administration.
 
I don't mind losing the Gator Bowl necessarily, but I do hate it that we refuse to tie in with bowls over decent matchups. Its like Swofford is scared ****less to play the Big Ten or even the Big 12. We always either have tie-ins with lower ranked SEC teams if we are lucky or crappy Big East and WAC teams. Swofford can't leave fast enough for me.
 
coldbeer said:
It's going to be the Independence Bowl in Shreveport versus a MWC team.

Here is the revised list of bowls, in rough order:
BCS Title or Orange Bowl (Miami)
Chick-Fil-A (Atlanta)
Champs (Orlando)
Tire (Charlotte)
Sun Bowl (El Paso, TX)
Music City (Nashville)
Congressional Bowl (Washington, D.C.)
Independence Bowl (Shreveport, LA)
GMAC Bowl (Mobile, AL)
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I repeat again: How many east-coast snobs from Virginia or Carolina will make a trip to northern LA in December? This is dumb, and will simply reinforce the impression that the ACC doesn't travel. Give us a NYD bowl in Tampa or Orlando and we'll be there in plenty of numbers - at least FSU, Miami, GT, VT, NCSU and Clemson will. The rest are too enraptured with the burgeoning basketball season to care.
 
This is thinking outside the box and will not happen. But, I always thought the three Florida bowls should have formed an Eastern, second tier type of BCS system. One school each from the ACC, SEC, Big 10, and Big East - their highest rated non-BCS team - plus two at large. Then let the Jacksonville, Orlando, and Tampa bowls draft from that pool. There would be some changes in the matchups - I get tired of South Carolina-Iowa and Georgia-Michigan and West Virginia-Clemson types of games every year. The Peach could have joined in and added two more at large to an eight team pool.

The West could do the same thing - San Diego, El Paso, San Antonio - and choose the winners of MWC and WAC, Highest ranked non-BCS from Pac 10 and Big 12, plus two at large. This would be fun.
 
77GTFan said:
This would be fun.
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for this reason, it likely wont happen
your idea makes entirely too much sense to attract regional teams to regional sites (like bowls pretty much used to be)
the one downside is that a team like Tech gets help in recruiting by playing in other areas of the country, but if its in Florida, i guess that helps us too
 
FYI, the highest TV rating bowl games after the BCS were Capital One and Champs. Champs gets the advantage of being the ONLY game on TV.
 
TeamBuzz said:
FYI, the highest TV rating bowl games after the BCS were Capital One and Champs. Champs gets the advantage of being the ONLY game on TV.
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Well that's a nice consolation prize for the 2nd place team in the coastal (considering they will more than likely be the 3rd place team .. right?). Great exposure.
 
I recall a Sun Bowl that pitted GT and Texas Tech against each other. I kind of like going to El Paso vs. Jacksonville. **** the Gator Bowl. What have they ever done for us? El Paso will be nice that time of year. I don't like that game in Charlotte either. And, please god, absolve us from any obligation to study possibly playing "a bowl game" in :puke: San Francisco, Fresno or Boise.

SWOFFORD MUST GO!
 
gnats67 said:
I recall a Sun Bowl that pitted GT and Texas Tech against each other. I kind of like going to El Paso vs. Jacksonville. **** the Gator Bowl. What have they ever done for us? El Paso will be nice that time of year. I don't like that game in Charlotte either. And, please god, absolve us from any obligation to study possibly playing "a bowl game" in :puke: San Francisco, Fresno or Boise.

SWOFFORD MUST GO!
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Part of the reason I like the ACC tie-in with the Sun Bowl is knowing that we've been there before. That's one of the things I learned about in the Georgia Tech vault book. And by the way if you haven't bought one of those, you're doing yourself a disservice.
 
gnats67 said:
I recall a Sun Bowl that pitted GT and Texas Tech against each other. I kind of like going to El Paso vs. Jacksonville. **** the Gator Bowl. What have they ever done for us? El Paso will be nice that time of year. I don't like that game in Charlotte either. And, please god, absolve us from any obligation to study possibly playing "a bowl game" in :puke: San Francisco, Fresno or Boise.

SWOFFORD MUST GO!
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1)There's a game in Fresno?

2) We dropped the smurf turf bowl (thank god)

3) Only one left to take the axe to is the Nut bowl.
 
Let's be honest. The SEC has a built in advantage over every other conference for bowl games and BCS playoff games. They and their fan base are just next door. They are always going to be in a spot to negotiate as far west as Texas and down to Miami in the east.

The ACC has less than half as many teams as close. Interestingly, those "half" all tend to travel fairly well also, except for Miami (who's already in the nice winter climate).

Likewise the Big 12 is in a good spot to travel to bowls from Alabama to California. They don't travel well to Orlando either.

The Big 10 has 10 mega schools but realistically only four big boys. But each of those schools are bigger than the two biggest ACC schools added together. Another area the ACC is just not strong.

Ok, let's think for a moment. How can we do a better job of competing? We can't become a megaschool conference overnight. We can't relocate next to Florida.

Hmmm. I've got it. Start creating, helping and otherwise planning to embrace and grow bowl games next to our teams. Geez. Our schools have been sending 30,000 fans to the Tire bowl. Hmmm.

Instead, what does tinker bell do? He ties us up to smaller bowls FARTHER AWAY.

We should be doing everything we can to improve the DC Bowl and Charlotte Bowl (both bowls will do well with Big East school also, as well as lower ranked Big 10 teams) AND we should have done everything we could to help the Gator Bowl and Peach Bowl. I also think the Nashville Bowl is a good idea for us.

I just think Swoffy misses the boat and has blown it again.
 
The real solution for the non-BCS bowls is what ArmyJacket proposed many years ago. Have 8 - 12 bowls band together, standardize their bowl payouts and throw out all exsiting bowl tie-ins.

Outback (Tampa), Gator (Jax), Capitol One (Orlando), Chicken (Atlanta), Music City (Nashville), Tire (Charlotte), Cotton (Dallas), Texas (Houston) Sun (El Paso), Alamo (San Antonio), Holiday (San Diego), etc.

Rotate on an annual basis which bowls get the first pick. The bowls would get to "draft" eligible teams. Conference runner-ups and conference third place teams would be eligible, depending on the number of bowls involved.

(The other remaining minor bowls (Champs, Independence, Las Vegas, Nut Bowl, Blue Turf Bowl, etc. can do what that continue to do....)

This would reduce fan fatigue for going to the same games in the same cities and play the same conferences. How much fun would it be for the ACC team to go to Texas to play a Big 12 or Big 10 team?

Have a bowl selection show on ESPN the Sunday after the regular season ends to annouce the bowls. It would rival the NCAA basketball field annoucement. Make the bowl committees draft their teams live like the NFL draft for even more excitement.
 
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coldbeer said:
The real solution for the non-BCS bowls is what ArmyJacket proposed many years ago. Have 8 - 12 bowls band together, standardize their bowl payouts and throw out all exsiting bowl tie-ins.

Outback (Tampa), Gator (Jax), Capitol One (Orlando), Chicken (Atlanta), Music City (Nashville), Tire (Charlotte), Cotton (Dallas), Texas (Houston) Sun (El Paso), Alamo (San Antonio), Holiday (San Diego), etc.

Rotate on an annual basis which bowls get the first pick. The bowls would get to "draft" eligible teams. Conference runner-ups and conference third place teams would be eligible, depending on the number of bowls involved.

(The other remaining minor bowls (Champs, Independence, Las Vegas, Nut Bowl, Blue Turf Bowl, etc. can do what that continue to do....)

This would reduce fan fatigue for going to the same games in the same cities and play the same conferences. How much fun would it be for the ACC team to go to Texas to play a Big 12 or Big 10 team?

Have a bowl selection show on ESPN the Sunday after the regular season ends to annouce the bowls. It would rival the NCAA basketball field annoucement. Make the bowl committees draft their teams live like the NFL draft for even more excitement.
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This is not the real solution but the exact same solution as today. The biggest schools will always be taken over smaller schools. Tech and half the ACC would never be taken. At least today, we have a chance because of our ACC tie in.
 
midatlantech said:
Let's be honest. The SEC has a built in advantage over every other conference for bowl games and BCS playoff games. They and their fan base are just next door. They are always going to be in a spot to negotiate as far west as Texas and down to Miami in the east.

The ACC has less than half as many teams as close. Interestingly, those "half" all tend to travel fairly well also, except for Miami (who's already in the nice winter climate).

Likewise the Big 12 is in a good spot to travel to bowls from Alabama to California. They don't travel well to Orlando either.

The Big 10 has 10 mega schools but realistically only four big boys. But each of those schools are bigger than the two biggest ACC schools added together. Another area the ACC is just not strong.

Ok, let's think for a moment. How can we do a better job of competing? We can't become a megaschool conference overnight. We can't relocate next to Florida.

Hmmm. I've got it. Start creating, helping and otherwise planning to embrace and grow bowl games next to our teams. Geez. Our schools have been sending 30,000 fans to the Tire bowl. Hmmm.

Instead, what does tinker bell do? He ties us up to smaller bowls FARTHER AWAY.

We should be doing everything we can to improve the DC Bowl and Charlotte Bowl (both bowls will do well with Big East school also, as well as lower ranked Big 10 teams) AND we should have done everything we could to help the Gator Bowl and Peach Bowl. I also think the Nashville Bowl is a good idea for us.

I just think Swoffy misses the boat and has blown it again.
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+1. I totally agree. If we build the bowls around us (where a lot of alumni/fans can travel to) it works.

BTW, With all this talk about the Sun Bowl and El Paso, I couldn't resist...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SgLrFHs0Jk
 
midatlantech said:
This is not the real solution but the exact same solution as today. The biggest schools will always be taken over smaller schools. Tech and half the ACC would never be taken. At least today, we have a chance because of our ACC tie in.
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Yes, but the bowls would rotate through the picks, year by year. meaning the Florida bowls wouldn't always be able to pick the SEC/Big 10 teams.

The variety of teams/matchups/bowl cities would heighten interest in the non-BCS bowls. More fan would travel to the non-BCS bowls.....
 
coldbeer said:
The real solution for the non-BCS bowls is what ArmyJacket proposed many years ago. Have 8 - 12 bowls band together, standardize their bowl payouts and throw out all exsiting bowl tie-ins.

Outback (Tampa), Gator (Jax), Capitol One (Orlando), Chicken (Atlanta), Music City (Nashville), Tire (Charlotte), Cotton (Dallas), Texas (Houston) Sun (El Paso), Alamo (San Antonio), Holiday (San Diego), etc.
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Now how does this make sense if I am either the Chicken Bowl, Capital One Bowl or the Outback Bowl? I have presently have great match-ups locked in and I want to enable lesser bowls ?
 
MacDaddy2 said:
Now how does this make sense if I am either the Chicken Bowl, Capital One Bowl or the Outback Bowl? I have presently have great match-ups locked in and I want to enable lesser bowls ?
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Well yeah, the whole idea is to equalize the field and such. Of course those on top will be against. Question is, which is more monetary value? The Dozen to 16 major bowls or the 39 others?
 
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