ACC = Slightly better than MAC?

The Jacket said:
I wasn't trying to impress you, bobbin. If I was, I would have feigned ADD and started a thread about what would have happened if it was us that was given the death penalty instead of SMU.

So strike a match on the brick that JD shoved up your ass a few days ago and light yourself on fire.
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still trying too hard.
 
BillyKowalchuck said:
• 1-9: The ACC's record in BCS Bowl games. The league has only won once on college football's biggest stage and that came when Florida State beat Virginia Tech, which then was not a league member, in the Sugar Bowl for the 1999 national championship. The ACC has lost nine straight BCS games.
• 2-17: The ACC's record against non-conference teams ranked in the Top 10 over the past four years.
• 9-31: The ACC's record against non-conference teams ranked in the Top 25 the past four years.
• 0: The number of times the ACC has received an at-large bid to a BCS game.
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those top-10 and top-25 statistics mean nothing. who cares if the top-10 teams are playing duke or nc state?
 
beej67 said:
Back on topic,

What are the records of the ACC and the MAC in BCS bowls over the last decade?

I know the ACC's isn't particularly good.
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For the record, I was on topic.

My point is that if it's the Big Ten in our position with Michigan and Ohio State playing Top 20 football and the rest of the league doing much of nothing, they aren't compared by the national media to the MAC.

Most people have their mouths full of the SEC and the ACC is still just the redheaded step child that seemed sure it was going to the top when it pulled the trigger on expansion. It didn't work immediately thanks to Bobby Bowden's growing incompetence and Larry Coker's preexisting case. They're going to kick the ACC as much as they possibly can while we're down.
 
Sagarin Conference Rankings (link)

FWIW, Sagarin had the ACC ranked 5th out of 6 BCS conferences in 2007, above the Big Ten. The ACC fares better using the central mean rather than a simple mean, but it still comes out ahead of the Big Ten. (The SEC also does better with a central mean rather than simple mean indicating it was also good top to bottom.)

Bowl results are great for bragging rights, but they don't tell much of the story about conference strength top to bottom. Bowl results are subject to arbitrary matchup issues and may be a better measure of the top schools in most conferences.

The SEC was tops in 2007 according to Sagarin's measure by a decent margin. The MAC landed as the 14th best conference. As always, the is a big drop-off in the scores from BCS to non-BCS conferences. (BCS opponents argue that difference is self-perpetuating with the BCS bowl exclusions.) The top and bottom BCS conference scores differ by about seven points. The eighth best conference differs from the sixth by almost 13 points.

CONFERENCE CENTRAL MEAN SIMPLE AVERAGE TEAMS

1 SOUTHEASTERN (A) = 81.99 81.83 ( 1) 12
2 PAC-10 (A) = 79.47 79.63 ( 2) 10
3 BIG 12 (A) = 78.62 78.35 ( 3) 12
4 BIG EAST (A) = 77.46 77.12 ( 4) 8
5 ATLANTIC COAST (A) = 75.21 74.98 ( 5) 12
6 BIG TEN (A) = 74.63 74.17 ( 6) 11
7 MOUNTAIN WEST (A) = 70.95 70.84 ( 7) 9
8 I-A INDEPENDENTS (A) = 61.74 61.79 ( 8) 4
9 WESTERN ATHLETIC (A) = 61.29 61.72 ( 9) 9

Archive Conference Rankings

You can look through the archive to see how the BCS conferences tend to bounce around from year to year but always stay above the non-BCS conferences.
 
GTKyle said:
those top-10 and top-25 statistics mean nothing. who cares if the top-10 teams are playing duke or nc state?
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they mean nothing? ok

not all the games were against duke

just use GT for example, we weren't terrible by any means the past 4 years....we underachieved most would say

4 losses to UGA (ranked)
1 loss to Notre dame (ranked)
1 win against Auburn (ranked)


what about our teams beating up on the bottom feeders in other conferences? add that in and you still get a 32-41 record against other bcs conferences the past 3 years

there are some good wins by the ACC over the past 4 years but not alot....and there are some terrible terrible losses to BCS and non BCS teams
 
BillyKowalchuck said:
they mean nothing? ok

not all the games were against duke

just use GT for example, we weren't terrible by any means the past 4 years....we underachieved most would say

4 losses to UGA (ranked)
1 loss to Notre dame (ranked)
1 win against Auburn (ranked)


what about our teams beating up on the bottom feeders in other conferences? add that in and you still get a 32-41 record against other bcs conferences the past 3 years

there are some good wins by the ACC over the past 4 years but not alot....and there are some terrible terrible losses to BCS and non BCS teams
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and we were favored to win none of those games.
 
The ACC is the victim of sorry offensive coaching the past 6-7 years. Our O has stunk, FSU hasn't had a good O since Richt left, Miami melted down under Coker, UNC stunk under Bunting, Amato couldn't get it done at NCSU, Fridge has struggled at UMD, and Clemson has been erratic with excellent talent.

Most of the problems have tended to center around poor or erratic QB play. The teams haven't been that bad, they just couldn't win against the better OOC teams.

It seems some better QB's are moving into the league now, as well as some better offensive coaches with Fisher at FSU, Johnson at Tech, Jags/Logan at BC and Cutcliffe at Duke.

I think we'll see those stats change a good bit over the next three years.
 
GTKyle said:
still trying too hard.
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still the biggest ahole on the board, Kylie, youre lucky that you dont have to look any of these people in the eye like a real person, or you might feel shame
 
Wreck02 said:
Some favored us to beat Notre Dame that year.
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Most bettors had us starting off as underdogs(around +2), and the line in most places had moved to -2 by kickoff. I made a lot of money off of that game, and then again off of our bowl game. Two extremely easy to call games.
 
Doesn't matter. My point was that it wasn't as bad as you made it out to be. In most of the nation's eyes, it was a 50/50 game.
 
GTKyle said:
and we were favored to win none of those games.
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none of the spreads in those games were very big...most were probably closer to a field goal...just because vegas says we should lose by 3 doesn't mean we shouldn't have won some of those games

if you're going to debate the numbers show some evidence that the ACC hasn't been sorry in out of conference games the past 3 or 4 years?

let's just look at some of the losses and some of the utter embarrassments aside from GT

and yes i know some of thes teams were underdogs...but not 35 point dogs and lots of them were favorites

2007:
Va Tech @ LSU loses 48-7
Miami @ Oklahoma loses 51-13
FSU loses to Kentucky
FSU loses 45-12 to florida
Virginia loses 23-3 to WYOMING (also got lucky against MTSU)
clemson loses to auburn
wake loses to nebraska
unc loses to east carolina
unc smoked by south florida
unc loses to south carolina
nc state loses to UCF
nc state loses to louisville


2006:
Louisville beats Miami 31-7 both were ranked
Virginia loses 38-13 to Pitt
Virginia loses 17-10 to western michigan
Virginia loses to East Carolina
clemson loses to south cack
clemson loses to kentucky
wake loses to louisville
unc loses to rutgers
unc smoked by south florida
nc state loses to akron
nc state loses to southern miss
nc state loses to east carolina

2005:
9-2 Miami loses 40-3 to LSU
wake loses to vandy
wake smoked by nebraska
unc loses to wisconsin
unc loses by 50+ to louisville


maryland has been beaten in just about every significant OOC game since 2005 aside form rutgers in 2007 and purdue in a bowl game

aside from south carolina, clemson has played arguably the worst non conference schedule i have ever seen over the past 3 or 4 years

then i looked at BC and they may have clemson beat on worst OOC schedule since 2005

good wins - i'd say most of these games the acc was favored, a few they weren't

Miami over Texas A&M in 2007
Miami over Florida in 2004
FSU beats Bama in 2007
va tech over west virginia in 2005
va tech over louisville in gator (after choking balls to let a terrible fsu team go to the bcs)
BC over BYU in 2006
BC over Boise St 2005
maryland over rutgers 2007
clemson over Texas A&M in 2005
clemson over south cack 2007
wake over uconn 2007
wake over ole miss in 2006
unc over utah 2005



if you can't see that the acc hasn't stacked up well against other conferences the past few years i don't know what to tell you
 
I think it really comes down to who would Ohio State or Michigan, or Texas, or Florida, or USC rather play? I bet a million dollars that these teams would rather play against a Buffalo, Western Michigan, or a Ball state than to have to play against a Georgia Tech or a Maryland or a Virginia. So in my opinon that Doyle Douche Bag can get over it.

When Kentucky is sitting atop the SEC, as they were last year, everyone was saying "Man, Kentucky is having a great year" but when Wake Forest sits atop the ACC all everyone says is "Dang, the ACC is really down this year!" I pisses me off. They all just want to downplay everything about the ACC.
 
GTMensLax&SoccerD1Soon! said:
When Kentucky is sitting atop the SEC, as they were last year, everyone was saying "Man, Kentucky is having a great year" but when Wake Forest sits atop the ACC all everyone says is "Dang, the ACC is really down this year!" I pisses me off. They all just want to downplay everything about the ACC.
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Come on, you can't think that being on top of the ACC is at all comparable to being on top of the SEC. At least not in recent years anyway. You don't really even need all the stats posted in this thread to know that.
 
BillyKowalchuck said:
none of the spreads in those games were very big...most were probably closer to a field goal...just because vegas says we should lose by 3 doesn't mean we shouldn't have won some of those games

if you're going to debate the numbers show some evidence that the ACC hasn't been sorry in out of conference games the past 3 or 4 years?

let's just look at some of the losses and some of the utter embarrassments aside from GT

and yes i know some of thes teams were underdogs...but not 35 point dogs and lots of them were favorites

2007:
Va Tech @ LSU loses 48-7
Miami @ Oklahoma loses 51-13
FSU loses to Kentucky
FSU loses 45-12 to florida
Virginia loses 23-3 to WYOMING (also got lucky against MTSU)
clemson loses to auburn
wake loses to nebraska
unc loses to east carolina
unc smoked by south florida
unc loses to south carolina
nc state loses to UCF
nc state loses to louisville


2006:
Louisville beats Miami 31-7 both were ranked
Virginia loses 38-13 to Pitt
Virginia loses 17-10 to western michigan
Virginia loses to East Carolina
clemson loses to south cack
clemson loses to kentucky
wake loses to louisville
unc loses to rutgers
unc smoked by south florida
nc state loses to akron
nc state loses to southern miss
nc state loses to east carolina

2005:
9-2 Miami loses 40-3 to LSU
wake loses to vandy
wake smoked by nebraska
unc loses to wisconsin
unc loses by 50+ to louisville


maryland has been beaten in just about every significant OOC game since 2005 aside form rutgers in 2007 and purdue in a bowl game

aside from south carolina, clemson has played arguably the worst non conference schedule i have ever seen over the past 3 or 4 years

then i looked at BC and they may have clemson beat on worst OOC schedule since 2005

good wins - i'd say most of these games the acc was favored, a few they weren't

Miami over Texas A&M in 2007
Miami over Florida in 2004
FSU beats Bama in 2007
va tech over west virginia in 2005
va tech over louisville in gator (after choking balls to let a terrible fsu team go to the bcs)
BC over BYU in 2006
BC over Boise St 2005
maryland over rutgers 2007
clemson over Texas A&M in 2005
clemson over south cack 2007
wake over uconn 2007
wake over ole miss in 2006
unc over utah 2005



if you can't see that the acc hasn't stacked up well against other conferences the past few years i don't know what to tell you
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UNC and NC State haven't been very good as of late, so you can remove those games.

Va Tech @ LSU loses 48-7
- Embarrassing but it was at LSU when LSU was playing its best and VT was playing its worst.

Miami @ Oklahoma loses 51-13
- Nobody expected Miami to win this game in Norman. Nobody expected a blowout either though.

FSU loses to Kentucky
- Lost by a TD.

FSU loses 45-12 to florida
- Embarassing, but was at UF. Similar to Miami @ OU.2

Virginia loses 23-3 to WYOMING (also got lucky against MTSU)
- Embarassing

clemson loses to auburn
- Lost in OT

wake loses to nebraska
- Embarrassing
 
gth816f said:
Come on, you can't think that being on top of the ACC is at all comparable to being on top of the SEC. At least not in recent years anyway. You don't really even need all the stats posted in this thread to know that.
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You did not read what i wrote. I did not say it wthe conferences were on the same level, all I said was that when a team like KY who is perennially in the middle of the pack is at the top of the SEC, the media exclaims "ohh good KY must be so good, Woodson for heisman", but in the ACC when Wake, a perennial middle of the pack team, wins the ACC everyone exclaims how terrible the ACC is. I'm just saying it's a double standard. Why not Skinner for heisman? I dont care how good your conference is, if KY beats UGA (2006) and LSU (2007), something is wrong.
 
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