ACC Super Conference Plan

DixieJacket

DixieJacket

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Here is my plan to save the ACC and create our own 18 team Super Conference:

3 - 6 team pods. You play 5 from your pod and 2 each from the other two pods every year for 9 Conference games leaving 3 OCC games. Best 2 conference records play for the ACC Championship.

ACC - South
Clemson
Miami
Georgia Tech
FSU
Wake Forest
Central Florida

ACC - Central
UNC
NC State
Duke
UVA
Virginia Tech
Louisville

ACC - North
Notre Dame
Boston College
Pitt
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Syracuse

This will still keep geography in play along with traditional rivals. Yes UCF, WVU, and Cincy don't fit the ACC "academic profile" but neither did Louisville. I don't see any real hurdles to make this happen and it would be a proactive move that could save the ACC.
 
savbandjacket said:
So water down something that already sucks is your plan?
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ND, UCF, WVU and Cincinnati is considered watering down the ACC? Those schools would be top to mid tier ACC football teams.

Who else should the go for? Oregon and Washington?
 
savbandjacket said:
ND isn’t going to happen. WVU is interesting and I think we made a big mistake getting BC/Syracuse instead of them in the first place.

No one cares about UCF and Cincinnati.
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Who else can we replace them with? OK St and another Big 12 team?
 
I would agree this is probably about the best that the ACC could hope to do, but do they have enough leverage to force ND into accepting it if there are better options on the table? I doubt it, and if you take them out, this conference is anything but super. Super lame
 
DixieJacket said:
Here is my plan to save the ACC and create our own 18 team Super Conference:

3 - 6 team pods. You play 5 from your pod and 2 each from the other two pods every year for 9 Conference games leaving 3 OCC games. Best 2 conference records play for the ACC Championship.

ACC - South
Clemson
Miami
Georgia Tech
FSU
Wake Forest
Central Florida

ACC - Central
UNC
NC State
Duke
UVA
Virginia Tech
Louisville

ACC - North
Notre Dame
Boston College
Pitt
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Syracuse

This will still keep geography in play along with traditional rivals. Yes UCF, WVU, and Cincy don't fit the ACC "academic profile" but neither did Louisville. I don't see any real hurdles to make this happen and it would be a proactive move that could save the ACC.
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I don't see ND joining any other conference than the BIG-10, if they were to join one. I think Cincy and WV are stretches... I don't the ACC has that much to offer. In fact, I am more willing to bet the ACC is the one that gets rocked, as schools move away.
 
DixieJacket said:
Here is my plan to save the ACC and create our own 18 team Super Conference:

3 - 6 team pods. You play 5 from your pod and 2 each from the other two pods every year for 9 Conference games leaving 3 OCC games. Best 2 conference records play for the ACC Championship.

ACC - South
Clemson
Miami
Georgia Tech
FSU
Wake Forest
Central Florida

ACC - Central
UNC
NC State
Duke
UVA
Virginia Tech
Louisville

ACC - North
Notre Dame
Boston College
Pitt
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Syracuse

This will still keep geography in play along with traditional rivals. Yes UCF, WVU, and Cincy don't fit the ACC "academic profile" but neither did Louisville. I don't see any real hurdles to make this happen and it would be a proactive move that could save the ACC.
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Kinda looks like switching deck chairs on the Titanic
 
savbandjacket said:
ND isn’t going to happen. WVU is interesting and I think we made a big mistake getting BC/Syracuse instead of them in the first place.

No one cares about UCF and Cincinnati.
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Spot on. I think the writing is on the wall already, but theoretically the only 2 things I could see partially helping would be ACC securing ND (or) the football schools in the ACC plus WVU creating their own league where you don’t have BC, Cuse, Wake or any other program not committed to making their football program better, which sadly includes us at the moment. Our leadership needs to wake up before it’s too late. The 3 win seasons don’t concern me, that’s fixable, it’s the lack of foundational, financial, academic support for football that concerns me. Got to step it up the same way Miami has committed to stepping it up.
 
ACC - South
Clemson
Miami
Georgia Tech
FSU
Wake Forest
Central Florida

ACC - Central
UNC
NC State
Duke
UVA
Virginia Tech
Louisville

ACC - North
Notre Dame
Boston College
Pitt
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Syracuse

If we took Cincy we would be adding a new market and a fairly big state. If we took CFU we would be closing down any entry into the state of Florida but likely won't be adding many viewers. You may be adding a lot of butts in the seats however. If you add WV you will be adding rabid fans and natural rivalries with a few other ACC schools.

I don't hate any of the three. I would not like the WV choice if we still had Maryland however.

However, I think that the SEC/BigTen are going national, and that the ACC should be thinking the same thing. The ACC blew it by not asking Penn State a long time ago. Then they blew it by not talking to Texas/Oklahoma. There are some major markets such as Texas and California that we should be considering to expand in. Additionally Big Twelve and Pac 10 schools have some opportunity to move right now. We should be looking very hard between Texas and the West and consider adding four more. Consideringing the new pay for play rules, I would start with Stanford, ND, Baylor, Oregon.
 
My thought process here is driven by what is possible and what can help us survive. Will this be the best football conference in America out of the gate, no but none of these schools are football factories either. But it avoids extinction for GT and the ACC, IMHO. We are never getting back into the SEC - period. Forget about that. The GOR makes it very difficult for ACC members to bolt now. With ND contractually obligated to join us if they decide to join a conference makes this plausible not probable. This scenario also helps ND with their scheduling which should make it attractive to them. They are the remaining unclaimed prize left on the board. As much as I hate them as a rival, this is a fact and getting them to sign on the line with us will take creativity. Cincy opens up a new tv market and they have had an incredible run in football since 2018. This combined with the Orlando/ND national audience should allow us to leverage a huge new TV contract. The geographical pods reduces travel expenses and still makes road trips and natural rivalries possible for the fans. No big names outside of ND are ever coming to the ACC ala Penn State. Ditto for the West Coast teams. Only UCLA and USC could pull off the BIG 10 move. If the ACC could pull this off and what's left of the Pac 12 and Big 12 merge we would be left with 4 super conferences and the folks in the Sunbelt, MAC, WAC, and American and C-USA become a second division. This also keeps the SEC/BIG from picking off ACC members.
 
Thanks for the idea, something to discuss. In evaluating options, "what's the best that can be built from the existing+ ACC" is one of them, even if nobody likes it much.
 
DixieJacket said:
My thought process here is driven by what is possible and what can help us survive. Will this be the best football conference in America out of the gate, no but none of these schools are football factories either. But it avoids extinction for GT and the ACC, IMHO. We are never getting back into the SEC - period. Forget about that. The GOR makes it very difficult for ACC members to bolt now. With ND contractually obligated to join us if they decide to join a conference makes this plausible not probable. This scenario also helps ND with their scheduling which should make it attractive to them. They are the remaining unclaimed prize left on the board. As much as I hate them as a rival, this is a fact and getting them to sign on the line with us will take creativity. Cincy opens up a new tv market and they have had an incredible run in football since 2018. This combined with the Orlando/ND national audience should allow us to leverage a huge new TV contract. The geographical pods reduces travel expenses and still makes road trips and natural rivalries possible for the fans. No big names outside of ND are ever coming to the ACC ala Penn State. Ditto for the West Coast teams. Only UCLA and USC could pull off the BIG 10 move. If the ACC could pull this off and what's left of the Pac 12 and Big 12 merge we would be left with 4 super conferences and the folks in the Sunbelt, MAC, WAC, and American and C-USA become a second division. This also keeps the SEC/BIG from picking off ACC members.
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So in your mind, ND is realistic but Penn State is not? Both of them seem pretty equally far flung at this point, but were I the ACC commissioner I'd be tryin to get the numbers crunched to propose to both schools for consideration. Tell Wake, Cuse, BC, and Duke "your services in football will no longer be required, we'll see you next basketball season". Get that payout per school number up as much as you can if you want to keep your league together.
 
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I don’t think you could get Big 12 or AAC teams to join the acc at the moment. The writing is on the wall that the acc’s days are numbered.
 
savbandjacket said:
I don’t think you could get Big 12 or AAC teams to join the acc at the moment. The writing is on the wall that the acc’s days are numbered.
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This is interesting.. from what I hear, six are going to the BIG 12 from the PAC 12. The list includes Oregon and Washington. Why would they go to the Big 12 instead of the ACC when the ACC had more revenue per school than the BiG 12 minus Texas and Oklahoma?
 
BigDanT said:
This is interesting.. from what I hear, six are going to the BIG 12 from the PAC 12. The list includes Oregon and Washington. Why would they go to the Big 12 instead of the ACC when the ACC had more revenue per school than the BiG 12 minus Texas and Oklahoma?
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As I understand it, the Big12 is close to (and maybe actively in) media renegotiations, so now is the time for them to strengthen their hand. Apparently the Pac12 is trying to renegotiate, too, but based on what I have no idea. The ACC on the other hand, is locked in to its deal for another 10 years or however long. So the ACC right now has perceived stability, but not riches.
 
MatatoGT said:
As I understand it, the Big12 is close to (and maybe actively in) media renegotiations, so now is the time for them to strengthen their hand. Apparently the Pac12 is trying to renegotiate, too, but based on what I have no idea. The ACC on the other hand, is locked in to its deal for another 10 years or however long. So the ACC right now has perceived stability, but not riches.
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Big12 and Pac 12 about to be earning G5 riches with those negotiations.
 
This is weak. The ACC sucks because we think small.

I think it’s time we try to poach Bama, Auburn, etc from the SEC. How dare they attempt to dismantle our conference.
 
verdi said:
This is weak. The ACC sucks because we think small.

I think it’s time we try to poach Bama, Auburn, etc from the SEC. How dare they attempt to dismantle our conference.
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You think ND is a long shot????? Bama will NEVER step down to a lower league. SEC brings way too much money. I foresee 3-5 super conferences, coming in college football. I don't have the highest faith, that the ACC will survive. I don't know if the PAC-12 will survive either. You may very well see 2 conferences morph into one super conference. So, don't be shocked to see the ACC and AAC or Big 12 form a super conference, just to compete with the SEC and Big-10.
 
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