ACC vs Conf-USA

[JMT2]

Do you mean to tell me this thing is coming down to money. Unless our offer is so far below SMU's this guy shouldn't be allowed to come back on campus. If PJ doesn't want a BCS team why do you guys want him?

Next, the search committee, remember their job is to search. Don't get fired up if the President of the University creates one and has them do a job. Let the AD interview their perspective choices.

Lastly, I am not fired up with whats left. I don' t want to turn into last years Miami. But, if this is the best we had planned we could have kept Chan and not looked like chumps.

Our Coach should beat the damn doors off the AD's office to get in the interview. Thats who we want, someone who wants to be at GT. :bash:

 

[GTHope#1]

We had a guy wanting to come to GT, but he was a UGA grad and you guys didn't want him. Remember?

 

[PreventOffense]

Do you mean to tell me this thing is coming down to money. Unless our offer is so far below SMU's this guy shouldn't be allowed to come back on campus. If PJ doesn't want a BCS team why do you guys want him?

Next, the search committee, remember their job is to search. Don't get fired up if the President of the University creates one and has them do a job. Let the AD interview their perspective choices.

Lastly, I am not fired up with whats left. I don' t want to turn into last years Miami. But, if this is the best we had planned we could have kept Chan and not looked like chumps.

Our Coach should beat the damn doors off the AD's office to get in the interview. Thats who we want, someone who wants to be at GT. :bash:

Remember this: We have 1 used an Exec Search consultant to handle all meetings interview setups etc- which is normal. There are usually only 3- 4 people in the actual interviews- DRAD and 2 or 3 others.

And 2, if money is an issue and it should be, and GT is not some destination job at all for a majority of the coaches out there, and it isnt- then they need to go with Hatcher asap. Tenuta is not the man they described, and even Clough piped up and described for the first time, what they were looking for.

 

[cajunjacket]

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And 2, if money is an issue and it should be, and GT is not some destination job at all for a majority of the coaches out there, and it isnt- then they need to go with Hatcher asap.

Really no particular school is a destination job for most coaches unless if they previously went to school there. You are looking at this from the wrong angle. It is not the particular college, it is the conference the college is in. Coaches want to win championships. As Hawaii showed us this season, you have to be in a BCS conference to even make it to the championship. Therefore, winning coaches want to coach at a BCS conference school. Georgia Tech is one of those.

If PJ would prefer to be in a cupcake conference and play for nothing every year, then we don't need him. We want a coach who is gunning for a national championship.

 

[JMT2]

We had a guy wanting to come to GT, but he was a UGA grad and you guys didn't want him. Remember?

Did he actually interview. Regardless, unless I hear DRad say that WM was shot down before he got a chance to interview then it didn't happen. The rest is internet speculation!

 

[71YellowJacket]

Do you mean to tell me this thing is coming down to money. Unless our offer is so far below SMU's this guy shouldn't be allowed to come back on campus. If PJ doesn't want a BCS team why do you guys want him?

Lastly, I am not fired up with whats left. I don' t want to turn into last years Miami. But, if this is the best we had planned we could have kept Chan and not looked like chumps.

Our Coach should beat the damn doors off the AD's office to get in the interview. Thats who we want, someone who wants to be at GT.

Well, here I go again.....

Money? Except for a few saints like Mother Teresa, what is more important in a capitalist society? The vast majority of us trade our time and talents for money. Now "money" can be viewed as immediate and longer-term potential. But "potential money" never has equal value to immediate, assured money.

The value (measured in "potential money") of coaching at a BCS school is most assuredly higher than a non-BCS school. But what makes you think GT is a BCS school?

Lastly, I hope the decision to remove Gailey was made strictly on the merits of retaining him vs. releasing him. Once, that decision is made then the separate but next decision is how do we replace him with a better coach....

 

[ken04thompson]

If PJ would prefer to be in a cupcake conference and play for nothing every year, then we don't need him. We want a coach who is gunning for a national championship.

But if you take off the gold colored glasses for a minute, there is another way for PJ to look at it. Steve Orsini the AD at SMU who was instrumental in getting the UCF program going is committed to turning SMU football around and has commitment from the school and alumni. PJ just turned 50. If he and Orsini turn SMU around in say 4 years, I think he would have a chance a a job at a big time BCS power. In short, from PJs perspective SMU might be the best chance to get to a BCS title albeit indirectly

 

[GTHope#1]

Did he actually interview. Regardless, unless I hear DRad say that WM was shot down before he got a chance to interview then it didn't happen. The rest is internet speculation!

If that is the case, then nobody has interviewed and it all is speculation. We heard that WM interviewed from the same sources (newspapers, message boards) that PJ interviewed. So your arguement is baseless.

 

[ken04thompson]

It appears that the most likely explanation is that the search committee decided not to formally interview WM for the job. GT certainly had discussions with him about the job

 

[cajunjacket]

But if you take off the gold colored glasses for a minute, there is another way for PJ to look at it. Steve Orsini the AD at SMU who was instrumental in getting the UCF program going is committed to turning SMU football around and has commitment from the school and alumni. PJ just turned 50. If he and Orsini turn SMU around in say 4 years, I think he would have a chance a a job at a big time BCS power. In short, from PJs perspective SMU might be the best chance to get to a BCS title albeit indirectly

Why try and turn a program around and make them a BCS school when you can go to a school that is already in a BCS conference. And as for BCS schools, any school in a BCS conference is a BCS school. Let's go back to last year. Did anyone think that Kansas and Missouri would be so close to a national championship this year? All you need to get to a NC is to be in a BCS conference ... and you have to win all your games

 

[ken04thompson]

Why try and turn a program around and make them a BCS school when you can go to a school that is already in a BCS conference. And as for BCS schools, any school in a BCS conference is a BCS school. Let's go back to last year. Did anyone think that Kansas and Missouri would be so close to a national championship this year? All you need to get to a NC is to be in a BCS conference ... and you have to win all your games

I mean a Big Time BC power that takes recruits who meet minimum NCAA requirements. The chances of winning a mythical national championship at GT with current academic policies are poor to none

 

[gth816f]

I mean a Big Time BC power that takes recruits who meet minimum NCAA requirements. The chances of winning a mythical national championship at GT with current academic policies are poor to none

I'd like to dispute this. Boston College has just as stringent, if not more stringent, policies as us, and they had a very good shot at winning the BCS this year. In fact, as GTKyle can tell you, at one point they even had a "stranglehold" on it.

 

[JMT2]

Did he actually interview. Regardless, unless I hear DRad say that WM was shot down before he got a chance to interview then it didn't happen. The rest is internet speculation!

If that is the case, then nobody has interviewed and it all is speculation. We heard that WM interviewed from the same sources (newspapers, message boards) that PJ interviewed. So your arguement is baseless.

We heard in the paper? Well, how do you know he didn't crap his pants in the interview.

And, my argument was there is a whole segment of this forum that thinks WM wasn't given a chance, and thus WM being Drad's choice he is upset with Dr. Clough. Which is speculation. Nobody has that kind of insider info on this board. Hell, the next step is for someone to post a "We support DRad" thread. Wait, someone has already done that.

 

[ken04thompson]

I'd like to dispute this. Boston College has just as stringent, if not more stringent, policies as us, and they had a very good shot at winning the BCS this year. In fact, as GTKyle can tell you, at one point they even had a "stranglehold" on it.

In which case they apparently strangled themselves

 

[gth816f]

In which case they apparently strangled themselves

Yes, but obviously the talent was there, the schedule allowed them to make a serious run, and at one point they were the favorites to get in. Saying that GT doesn't have a shot at competing for a national title because of our academic requirements is just the same old excuse David Braine used to extend Chan Gailey's contract, and seems nothing short of ignorant in light of what BC did this year.

 

[JMT2]

Well, here I go again.....

Money? Except for a few saints like Mother Teresa, what is more important in a capitalist society? The vast majority of us trade our time and talents for money.

I meant in relative terms. If our offer is close to SMU I feel we have much more intrinsic value.

The value (measured in "potential money") of coaching at a BCS school is most assuredly higher than a non-BCS school. But what makes you think GT is a BCS school?

If we win our conference we go to a bcs bowl. C-USA can't say that. Thats 17 million dollars difference between that bowl and the emerald.

 

[cajunjacket]

ken04thompson, I understand where you are coming from, but the parity in college football is greater now than ever. GT can win a NC or make it to BCS bowl game. To do the latter, all we have to do is win the Conference Championship, which we nearly did last year.

 

[PreventOffense]

Really no particular school is a destination job for most coaches unless if they previously went to school there. You are looking at this from the wrong angle. It is not the particular college, it is the conference the college is in. Coaches want to win championships. As Hawaii showed us this season, you have to be in a BCS conference to even make it to the championship. Therefore, winning coaches want to coach at a BCS conference school. Georgia Tech is one of those.

If PJ would prefer to be in a cupcake conference and play for nothing every year, then we don't need him. We want a coach who is gunning for a national championship.

Money will be an issue no matter what in every single situation when you have a guy in Paul Johnson's position. If SMU offer him $2mm, and we dont have close to that money which we dont, Id rather have Hatcher for $1MM- both gunning for a Nat Champ, Hatcher for 800k to $1MM less. I think both can be quite successful- PJ has more experience- which = more money to get him.

 

[GTCrew]

Money will be an issue no matter what in every single situation when you have a guy in Paul Johnson's position. If SMU offer him $2mm, and we dont have close to that money which we dont, Id rather have Hatcher for $1MM- both gunning for a Nat Champ, Hatcher for 800k to $1MM less. I think both can be quite successful- PJ has more experience- which = more money to get him.

Money is only one factor. There are many others. Almost every engineer can make more money doing contract work. They trade job security and stability for money. Yet most of us choose normal work. And some people limit where they will live easily giving up thousands. Monster $100,000 jobs in Augusta Georgia versus Richmond Va for instance.

 

[PreventOffense]

Money is only one factor. There are many others. Almost every engineer can make more money doing contract work. They trade job security and stability for money. Yet most of us choose normal work. And some people limit where they will live easily giving up thousands. Monster $100,000 jobs in Augusta Georgia versus Richmond Va for instance.

As an AD and a coach, it is one factor of course- just like any long-term investment decision- whats the return is what matters. Safer bet on Johnson vs Hatcher on paper, when you add $$ to the equation, I like my upside potential on Hatcher vs. Johnson all day long.